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posted February 16, 2013 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
The three monotheist religion don't support the idea of past lives and reincarnation,

Before or after the council of Nicea (for Christianity)?

(It is a rhetorical question and I don`t want to get into a discussion about religion; but everything has to be seen in the historical context. All these books were written by men, mortals I mean. Every author has a certain intention when he writes which decides a lot of what he will present in his book and how he will do. The fact that reincarnation is not a part of the bible, is not so much telling in relation to the truth of its existence, but more telling about the historical context and the men who were writing and editing the books. Of course this is only my opinion. And I certainly don´t want to step on anyone`s religious toes, and you can have very differring opinions to this, but I can only have mine, n`est pas?)

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Originally posted by starfairy:
Coming from a Hindu family, I have been told about reincarnation and karma for as long as I can remember.


I wish I was born into a hindu family, I love your religion and culture....

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posted February 16, 2013 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
Nodes and draconic charts are.


Not really.
Yes, they are often interpreted in terms of past lives, but that is missing the mark.
They are about connecting, usually on a deep emotional even spiritual level.

Past lives is just one explanation why we might feel that connected to someone.
But there are definitely other explanations possible.
Maybe it is simply because we see a part of ourselves in the connection, we were never aware of before, and therefore in a way that feeling of recognition is really recognizing ourselves?
(Just one possible explanation; there are others of course).

Example:
my Draco Sun is exactly conjunct my friend`s Moon (in aRies).

Past life?
Maybe.

But it doesn`t need to mean that.

No matter if I believe in past lives or not, the way I experience that aspect is that she has always seen a potential in myself I never even thought I had, and through interaction with her I tapped into my "Aries-ness", and it turned out I had a lot more energy and strength in me that i was aware of.
She however realized that about me long before I ever did, and in fact the connection with her helped me to tap into that trait of mine and access it in more reliable ways.

Interestingly her Draco Sun is conjunct my tropical MOon as well (in Aquarius). So it went both ways.

She helped me to see the Aries inside of me, while I helped her to access the Aquarius-side of her.


Where past lives may come into play, is to explain why this is so. But as I said it is just one thought-model to explain it. Not the only one.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I wish I was born into a hindu family, I love your religion and culture....

Yeah, the culture pretty cool! I like how Astrology is so intimately connected to the religion and the Indian culture. I never used to go to temple, but now I go sometimes to get my chart read My parents even got their synastry done (Vedic-style) before they got married.

Checking synastry before marrying someone you hardly know is a great idea lol

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Originally posted by starfairy:
Yeah, the culture pretty cool! I like how Astrology is so intimately connected to the religion and the Indian culture. I never used to go to temple, but now I go sometimes to get my chart read My parents even got their synastry done (Vedic-style) before they got married.

Ooo i love vedic astrology so much. Those astrologers are amazingly detailed. They use like planetary periods and like 10 other sub charts, crazy. My best friend is indian, and were going to india next year, were going to the country side and all over the place.
I'm naturally tan so I'm excited I'm not going to look like a foreigner!!!
India has one of the coolest cultures in the world.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Not really.
Yes, they are often interpreted in terms of past lives, but that is missing the mark.
They are about connecting, usually on a deep emotional even spiritual level.

Past lives is just one explanation why we might feel that connected to someone.
But there are definitely other explanations possible.
Maybe it is simply because we see a part of ourselves in the connection, we were never aware of before, and therefore in a way that feeling of recognition is really recognizing ourselves?
(Just one possible explanation; there are others of course).

Example:
my Draco Sun is exactly conjunct my friend`s Moon (in aRies).

Past life?
Maybe.

But it doesn`t need to mean that.

No matter if I believe in past lives or not, the way I experience that aspect is that she has always seen a potential in myself I never even thought I had, and through interaction with her I tapped into my "Aries-ness", and it turned out I had a lot more energy and strength in me that i was aware of.
She however realized that about me long before I ever did, and in fact the connection with her helped me to tap into that trait of mine and access it in more reliable ways.

Interestingly her Draco Sun is conjunct my tropical MOon as well (in Aquarius). So it went both ways.

She helped me to see the Aries inside of me, while I helped her to access the Aquarius-side of her.


Where past lives may come into play, is to explain why this is so. But as I said it is just one thought-model to explain it. Not the only one.



Thanks for sharing this. It is indeed a very interesting take on how to understand nodes and draconic contacts.
It's difficult to form another way of looking at things especially since nodes are mostly explained with the belief in past lives in the background.
But yes, it is certainly more about the soul and our "hidden" resources than where we've been


And s far as religion are concerned I don't know if the common belief has been modifies through the centuries. There are some people from every religion that do believe in past lives and don't see it as an obstacle to their faith.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisesfishgoddess,

I can`t give you the evidence you are seeking.


You want an example though:


1991:
I was meditating and reviving a "story" in the 17th century.
I was confused about that, the way I felt during that meditation did not make any sense to me. I did not even know Latin at that time, I could hardly read and write. Me, not knowing how to write? Ridiculous. lol

Anyway, I scribbled some notes down after that, and then put them into some drawer.

No computer at that time, no way to research anything about it.
And that story with me starring as the leading role, it seemed so random, the names were random. No famous people, not at all. Just a simple (but emotionally not so simple) life.

Many years later in 2005 or something like that, I thought of this meditation again, I remembered the names, and I googled it for fun. No clue why.
I found a genealogy, the family tree, which had been put online just the year before or so.
(over ten years after my strange meditation-story).


The names were all there, the dates were there, right up to the death-date.

It was... interesting for me.


Does that PROOVE reincarnation?

No, I don´t think so. Anyone could come up with different explanations for that.

But it was quite interesting nevertheless.


In the end I don´t really care if you or anyone else believes in reincarnation, and I am wary of so called "evidences" just how I am wary of statistics (everything can be warped and manipulated and misinterpreted).
In a way I don´t even care if these past life recalls are reflecting a real existing past lives.

What I care about is that they apparently came to me for a reason. It might be purely psychological. And that is the core that is important to me. There is a reason for a certain image or memory to arise, and the reason ahs to do with me and my life, my current incarnation.

In this respect I do not make a real big difference if it is from a factual past life or "just" from the depth of my psyche.

however finding that family tree so many years after the meditation took place really was something.


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posted February 16, 2013 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Ooo i love vedic astrology so much. Those astrologers are amazingly detailed. They use like planetary periods and like 10 other sub charts, crazy. My best friend is indian, and were going to india next year, were going to the country side and all over the place.
I'm naturally tan so I'm excited I'm not going to look like a foreigner!!!
India has one of the coolest cultures in the world.

Yeah vedic astrology is very cool. You should definitely try to see an astrologer in india if you can. They're amazing. What's cool is that they give you remedies (i.e. Mantras) to ward off bad energy if they see something negative in your future.

It's always best to go to india with someone from there, or who has family there, so I'm glad you're going with your friend. I go every couple of years. It's a lot of fun and I'm sure you'll have a blast. You seem to really jive with the culture so you'll appreciate the experience even more.

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Originally posted by piscesfishgoddess:
Anyone can FEEL like they have had past lives. THis is new age mumbo jumbo. I want concrete proof. I want someone who discovered their past life without unconsciously reading or hearing about it and went back to the place to discover that they were correct. Otherwise it is blind speculation.


I know of someone who inexplicably started speaking German in his childhood. He was born into an Irish-Italian family in Boston. His parents were at a loss.

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I never really gave any consideration to past lives until I started reading dkfoundation, that stuff was really creepy in its accuracy. It would say things like, "If Uranus is in the 5th house, the moon is normally in one of the signs of universal consciousness (Aquarius or Pisces) because the resident has this past life lesson to learn...." and everytime it would be true.

It checked out for my others I would do, too. I did my boyfriend's placements and it was like, "The sun in sixth house usually has the moon in 5th house because of such and such past life lesson..." and that is exactly where his moon would be.

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posted February 16, 2013 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted this in response to another thread, but I will repeat it here: if anyone wants a very compelling story about past lives, read the story of Shanti Devi by K.S. Rawat.
http://creative.sulekha.com/the-case-of-shanti-devi_98870_blog

This is not the only thing that convinced me, but rather one of many stories I have read. Do I believe it 100%? No. But pretty darn close.

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posted February 17, 2013 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for quinnlycanastro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wrote this the other day about the nodes without relying on ideas of reincarnation. As to your question of why do we feel comfortable with nodal connections ~ I'd say it has something to do with the node being the point at which both our Sun and Moon are in agreement. It makes sense to say that a planet aspecting that point will also be in agreement with whatever it is that the sun and moon agree with [shown by the node]
http://thelycansparadox.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/a-nod-to-nodes-in-astrology-for-those.html

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posted February 17, 2013 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am hindu. I've had many experiences when I was in India, experiences that have changed my life, reinforcing my beliefs in previous lives, and to better shoulder the weight of my past life karma.My NN is the 10th house Libra,saturn is exalted in Libra in my Navamsa Chart.

BTW the hindus worship the nine planets known as the Navagraha. The Lord of Time, Shani Dev ( Saturn) has numerous temples all around India.

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posted February 17, 2013 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by crabbypatty:
I posted this in response to another thread, but I will repeat it here: if anyone wants a very compelling story about past lives, read the story of Shanti Devi by K.S. Rawat.
http://creative.sulekha.com/the-case-of-shanti-devi_98870_blog

This is not the only thing that convinced me, but rather one of many stories I have read. Do I believe it 100%? No. But pretty darn close.


I heard a similar story (was on documentary about past lives from discover) - about a boy who was born with a scar and same as the girl from above article - he remembered all type of events from his previous life. The way he detailed his stories and the accuracy of the details - intrigued some of the people who knew the parts which he kept describing and an one point they started investigating - and same as above his stories turned-up to be true. From that point - he end-up spending time between both families - both the current one and the one from his past life.

Then there's theory like this related to birthmarks: http://www.healpastlives.com/future/rule/ruremark.htm - modern doctors relate this to some gene mutation and their interest stops there, it's not like they learn anything else about it when they study medicine.

If i get in to details about Astrology - more than half the people i know would think i lost it - "wasting my time with b.s. (how they would put it)". I'm not the kind of person that tries to force his believes on others - if we happen to share the same interest, we can talk about it... but if my interests are laughable to you, if you find them insane - since you already have fixed ideas about that (closed minded) - then i'd rather stop there, since - I'm aware that would be a waste of time for both of us. I'm also an eclectic learner - and i don't have fixed theories... if there's a better way to explain certain things - i could/can change my mind (I've done it before).

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Well I agree we only can have feeling(s) of having past lives.These children could have heard their parents talking about (this) past situation/scandal. Maybe their consciousness was working at very very young age. However i think there is a possibility of reincarnation... or at least i'd want to be

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posted February 18, 2013 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well I agree we only can have feeling(s) of having past lives.These children could have heard their parents talking about (this) past situation/scandal. Maybe their consciousness was working at very very young age. However i think there is a possibility of reincarnation... or at least i'd want to be

Read that article.

It's not about some vague details from a gossip - those children were aware of very personal details (and quite elaborate) about complete strangers from a different town - whom their parents never met.


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Im late to the party, but I hope this helps.

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The first model is genetic. Through our heredity, each of us inherits a legacy from the past. We may get our mother’s nose and our father’s disposition—and if we knew our great-great-greatgrandmother, we might be shocked at her resemblance to us. The same past that lived on within her lives on within us also, transmitted through the genes. In this model, the south node symbolizes the impact of our ancestors on us. At birth, a hereditary theme is crystallized within us. And from that moment on, embossed on our chromosomes, we carry a coded program of strengths and weaknesses. No scientist would argue with any of that—except perhaps to question whether the principles of genetics have anything to do with the moon’s southern node


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I don't believe in past lives (but I do believe in future lives, in specific people throughout the history, in form of returning to their undecayed dead body for a special purpose).


I consider moon nodes as people's life "themes". part of God's plan for their lives. the south node is the qualities they easily express, because their souls have showed God these qualities while they have been in the world of unborn souls. so God decides what time and through which parents they become born on earth. the north node is the direction in life they must finally accept and head into, because God wants them to learn those qualities so that their souls would grow into its highest potential.


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I do not mean in any way to shake off anybody's belief system by stating that I don't believe in reincarnation. I have only expressed my personal opinion after more than 10 years studying all famous religions and belief systems and hearing their discussions, and then weighing them on based on my own mind and reasoning.

I see in many psychological conditions where belief in reincarnation has led people into self-destructive behaviors and has compelled them to ignore their own intellect, will and judgement power. perhaps the most common cases are where a person decides to stay in an abusive relationship or refuses to stand up for themselves in the society, because they believe it is a "past life" karma or some debt that they must pay. now, karma does exist for sure, and it's one of the most prominent mathematical laws that the universe has been created based on, but you only create good or bad karma where you "choose" to have a good or bad (pure or evil) intent behind your actions. if you act upon them and manifest them into this material world of galaxies we live in, you will receive your karma surely before you die, but if you suppress an impure thought or intent and try to replace with positive ones, you will not only be spared the bad karma, but also be rewarded with sweet gifts from higher powers!

as time is circular around us (deja vus are proof of that), and the thoughts and dreams (good or bad) of the billions other humans that have existed before us or are with us on earth now are all gathered in specific astral levels in the universe of thoughts and dreams, some people with more sensitive sensors can stumble upon sudden awareness of these astral mind/dream levels with people who share the same thought vibe as them, as each thought we produce belongs to a specific astral level from this universe of thoughts and dreams.

some people decide to call them parallel universes, which is what I did at first, but later dismissed it as I learned that parallel universes are not "physical" like this matter universe which contains the galaxies, but only in the mind/thought/dream universe which is abstract and extends beyond our material universe through the gates of black holes.

others mistake these awarenesses with "memories" and thus attribute them to a past experience of life again in the material world, and more specifically on earth or in some cases on Mars or other planets.

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For people who don't believe in past lives, I just simplify it down to the South Node representing your past in THIS life, which, in its own way, is a past life. Even for those of us who do believe in past lives, the South Node still is also a reflection of our past in this current life, which is why these habits have become so ingrained in us.

I believe in past lives but I have never done past life regression (seriously thinking of saving up for it, though, before or near my Saturn Return in the 12th). So it actually even works much better for me to work out my South Node through my past experiences and patterns. Because otherwise, I am just guessing about what I went through a lifetime ago.

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