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ueharaa
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posted February 14, 2013 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
connected or familiar with someone then?


I guess everyone has gone through this at least once. You meet someone and you feel like you already know them. You're comfortable around them and you may feel like you share some hidden connection and understand each other.

Usually, when people feel this way and we take a look at their synastry there is a strong chance of them sharing nodes or vertex aspects. But especially nodes aspects.

And it makes sense, considering the nodes are related to past lives.

But what if you don't believe in past lives ?

How do you explain all of this then?

edit: I read what I've written over again and by no means do I want to come off as pointing people who don't believe in past lives out and summon them to explain why to me. I myself am not sure of whether past lives do exist. The three monotheist religion don't support the idea of past lives and reincarnation, that's why I doubt it. Yet at the same time it's the only way I've found to understand nodes and such reaction to people I didn't really know.

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posted February 14, 2013 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see the nodes as just "a natural pull towards", no more or less.
Do not believe in past lives.

NN aqua 6th here.

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posted February 15, 2013 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at it from a non-past lives point of view, I would reason it as fate. Destiny. God-sent.
Just meant to be.

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posted February 15, 2013 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in past live, so the nodes are significant to me. All my relationships had significant contacts to the NN. When I feel the pull I know NN contacts are there between us without having to check the synastry.

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posted February 15, 2013 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think it is very hard to believe in astrology and not believe in past lives to be honest.
i cannot conceive of there not beign reincarnation.

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posted February 15, 2013 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It just makes sense that if you are pulled between two energies (SN/NN) and you meet someone who has that same pull in them, they will seem familiar to you.

My husband is 18 and a half years older than me, so we have the same nodal axis, a bit less than 5 degrees apart.

He and I are completely different in so many ways, but the nodal axis is a common bond. Before I knew about the nodal axis, I was really at a loss to explain how he seemed so much like me on a "vibe" level or something.

Like we have a very similar, cynical sense of humor (Scorpio NN.) He can make a subtle comment that no one else in the room will even catch, and I'll hear it and be crying, I'm laughing so hard. This happened just yesterday at a restaurant.

He's funny and can make other people laugh, too. But on the oddball stuff we are just a weirdly good match. Other people have commented on it.

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posted February 15, 2013 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I went through a long long period of astrology *combined* with a strong believe in past lives etc.
Then a turning point in my life and I lost all my interest in astrology for years and I guess *mainly* because indeed I couldn't relate it with my *new way of thinking* (no past lives etc.)
But I came back after this big transformation (Pluto conj. Sun/Moon midpoint within 1*).. back to *earth* and back to astrology in its purest form, and I can literally feel how the nodes pulled me towards this *path*...
I know it's hard to believe (I just have to replace myself in that period) but there are also other ways to *find yourself*.
In my view, astrology can become more widely accepted if there wasn't only *ONE* way.. all the books are full of past lives etc. which keeps many people away from accepting astrology. Astrology should be spread out in its purest form to give everyone a chance (as a matter of speaking).
And yes, the current *me* is definitely an outcome of my Aqua-NN in the 6th.

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posted February 16, 2013 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks everyone. I think I am going to be thinking about this a bit more.

I find it very fascinating how astrology through the nodes explain more than just attraction but a real "connection"
Draconic astrology which is node based seem to be very important too.

I understand that the nodes can be where you're supposed to be heading. I see them mainly as highlighting the lesson you have to learn in life. I guess in synastry it would show people who forces you to face your issues.
But as far as feeling comfortable and familiar with someone that aspects your nodes , I have no idea how to explain this.

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I believe past lives too op, I can feel them on a subconscious level.
When living creatures die they're are recycled to create new life. I believe the same with souls they're not suppose to wander in the afterlife they have to be recycled until the end of well... the world.

As for the nodes, its hard to say because I think I've had many lives so its hard to pint point my last life.

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posted February 16, 2013 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for piscesfishgoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone can FEEL like they have had past lives. THis is new age mumbo jumbo. I want concrete proof. I want someone who discovered their past life without unconsciously reading or hearing about it and went back to the place to discover that they were correct. Otherwise it is blind speculation.

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posted February 16, 2013 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for piscesfishgoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sharpei:
i think it is very hard to believe in astrology and not believe in past lives to be honest.
i cannot conceive of there not beign reincarnation.


you cannot conceive? Why can't you? Elaborate. Of course you can conceive there not being past lives because you cannot explain with proof or evidence of a past life. If anything, you cannot conceive of there being reincarnation otherwise you would explain the many reasons why it is true. I swear, some people watch these new age youtube videos talking about how it FEELS good to believe in reincarnation and then they automatically believe its true....just because someone used fancy words and it made you feel good. That is how new age hogwish* works. They cover and coat everything up in chocolate and magical fairies of light and it feels good to you, so you subscribe to it. This is no different from Christians who believe in heaven because a "charismatic" preacher made it sound like a pretty place in addition to giving them hope of a better, new beginning.

Do you believe it because it is a feeling or do you have incontrovertible proof?

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posted February 16, 2013 03:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by piscesfishgoddess:
Anyone can FEEL like they have had past lives. THis is new age mumbo jumbo. I want concrete proof. I want someone who discovered their past life without unconsciously reading or hearing about it and went back to the place to discover that they were correct. Otherwise it is blind speculation.

Theres no proof of astrology either.. Why are you even in an astrology forum lmao, are you lost? Past lives are apart of Hinduism which is older then any religion sweetie...
Uggh I honestly hate young people they're all so vapid and ignorant, and I'm only 20...

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posted February 16, 2013 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it is almost impossible to separate a belief in astrology with a belief in reincarnation imo

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quote:
Originally posted by sharpei:
it is almost impossible to separate a belief in astrology with a belief in reincarnation imo

Exactly, so much of astrology has to do with our past life, thats just a fact. If you don't believe in karma then astrology will not make any sense.
Why are people born to live a certain life and just die and become casper or nothing, for what reason?
Thats just illogical to me.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for piscesfishgoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mean that is what you keep telling me and that is awesome. Really I believe you, so give me some examples. Please....elaborate and show me how it is true? You explain astrology well, so if they are connected, explain how........

So far I have gotten, "well reincarnation is real, astrology says so", "How can reincarnation NOT be real" "If Astrology is real then so is reincarnation, I mean, yeah". That is your subject or heading. Now give me the body of this idea....

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posted February 16, 2013 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, go read a book and study it for yourself. why would anyone waste there time trying to proof an opinion you're already fixed on.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well not every aspect of astrology is linked to past lives. Nodes and draconic charts are. Karmic astrology involving saturn and asteroid karma is also about this. Then to a lesser extent outer planet can also be described as indicating past life, pluto especially.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for piscesfishgoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
No, go read a book and study it for yourself like everyone else.

I rest my case your honor.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for piscesfishgoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ueharaa:
well not every aspect of astrology is linked to past lives. Nodes and draconic charts are. Karmic astrology involving saturn and asteroid karma is also about this. Then to a lesser extent outer planet can also be described as indicating past life, pluto especially.


okay, cool, this is an awesome footnote. Can you please elaborate now.......

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posted February 16, 2013 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in past lives personally, but think that astrology can work as well without this belief.

The premise of astrology is that the constellation of stars above our head, is descriptive of what happens down on earth on a very human and individual level.

There is no need for believing in past lives in that premise; it works well if you donīt believe in reincarnation.
But at the same time it does not discount the existence of past lives either.

In short: the belief in astrology and the belief in past lives are not automatically connected to each other and in an interdependent relationship.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for piscesfishgoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I believe in past lives personally, but think that astrology can work as well without this belief.

The premise of astrology is that the constellation of stars above our head, is descriptive of what happens down on earth on a very human and individual level.

There is no need for believing in past lives in that premise; it works well if you donīt believe in reincarnation.
But at the same time it does not discount the existence of past lives either.

In short: the belief in astrology and the belief in past lives are not automatically connected to each other and in an interdependent relationship.


So, I get another, " I believe in reincarnation personally." okay........why? What makes you believe in reincarnation? Is it a feeling? A hunch? Because a bunch of people said that "energy doesn't die" or something? I really don't mean to be a jerk, I just want some solid evidence. I really would think it would be cool if reincarnation WERE true but all I get is feel good and speculation on its existence.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I believe in past lives personally, but think that astrology can work as well without this belief.

The premise of astrology is that the constellation of stars above our head, is descriptive of what happens down on earth on a very human and individual level.

There is no need for believing in past lives in that premise; it works well if you donīt believe in reincarnation.
But at the same time it does not discount the existence of past lives either.

In short: the belief in astrology and the belief in past lives are not automatically connected to each other and in an interdependent relationship.


That's what I think too. But I find the nodes to be extremely tricky regarding this subject :/

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Yes we if we look the psychological aspect of astrology then yes past lives don't really matter.
But thats just superficial, I already know my basic personality traits, I don't need astrology for that.
Might as well just look at your sun signs..

We all want to know are purpose in life and why we're on this earth, atleast I want to. 10th house is considered our karma house.

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posted February 16, 2013 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by piscesfishgoddess:
So, I get another, " I believe in reincarnation personally." okay........why? What makes you believe in reincarnation? Is it a feeling? A hunch? Because a bunch of people said that "energy doesn't die" or something? I really don't mean to be a jerk, I just want some solid evidence. I really would think it would be cool if reincarnation WERE true but all I get is feel good and speculation on its existence.

You can't really ask for people to justify their beliefs. This is why it's a belief. Because part of it can not be proven to others. It's not science.
Some people believe in past lives,some people believe in God, some people believe in hell and in heaven, etc.. the point is to them it makes sense. It fits with how they view the world and the human condition etc...

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posted February 16, 2013 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coming from a Hindu family, I have been told about reincarnation and karma for as long as I can remember.

I'm definitely not religious, and have rejected organized religion in all forms, but since I have started studying astrology, I have opened myself up to reincarnation and karma.

Why? Because reincarnation and past lives make the most logical sense to me.

Everything in nature recycles, so why not the soul?

If you need proof of reincarnation and past lives, perhaps you should look into having a past life regression session, or talk to those who have done this.


I think it's okay to question things, though. I had difficulty with past lives for a while. I was going through an existentialist phase for a while, and thought that when we die, that's it. I still have bouts of doubt, I'll admit.

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