posted February 19, 2013 11:52 AM            

What would make it a lack of perception from them?
What would indicate this being caused by the relationships they've had with people (not just romantic) ?

posted February 19, 2013 11:57 AM            

and Placements such as...
Venus in 12H
Saturn in 11H
Neptune in 1H

posted February 19, 2013 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by piscesfishgoddess:
being born in africa.

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Not everyone born in africa feels unloved. I know people from north africa and family relationships and people as a whole matter a lot to them.
I think people are more likely to suffer from loneliness and thus be aware of how unloved and unappreciated they feel (despite the relationships they may have had...) in occidental countries especially since we put a lot of emphasis on how "true" love and being accepted as a whole is important.

posted February 19, 2013 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
From my experience, the most effective ones are (opposite/square) between...
Moon-Venus
Moon-Saturn
Venus-Saturn (conjunction too)

and Placements such as...
Venus in 12H
Saturn in 11H
Neptune in 1H

and finally, Major planets making harsh aspects to Chiron.

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It's interesting especially chiron I had forgotten how it was associated with pain.

Do you think people with such are likely to feel unloved regardless of how loved they truly are, or do you think it highlights situations where they have all the reasons to feel so? (yes, I can be quite complicated as to make the difference between the two...)

posted February 19, 2013 01:36 PM            

I wonder if there are any other placements. Saturn is always blamed when it comes to people having difficulties with something.

I seem to be mostly surrounded by people who do not care at all while I do. I get attached to such people and then realize how I am the one doing all the giving and caring.. and they're either taking advantage of this or still bothering to reply to me out of pity.
It's annoying, especially how I don't get attached that easily, but mainly because well this pattern has repeated itself so many times that I am starting to wonder what is wrong with *me* (when I used to just assume it was others). I haven't had that great of a relationship with close family members so this doesn't help neither.
And well, I don't have any saturn hard aspect in my chart.
Saturn is my 7th house ruler and the tightest aspect it makes are a sextile to pluto in my 5th and an opposition to chiron in my 12th.
Then it widely conjuncts my sun (8°), widely conjuncts my descendant (9°) and widely conjuncts my mercury/moon conjunction (10/11°) aren't those wide to still be considered? Also I don't really identify with descriptions of such aspects.

posted February 19, 2013 02:10 PM              

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Originally posted by piscesfishgoddess:
being born in africa.

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posted February 19, 2013 02:56 PM            

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Sun in Virgo conjunct Venus ( 11th House )
Moon in Libra
Rising sign Libra

Honesty is Confidence - Hoodie Allen

posted February 19, 2013 03:45 PM            

"There is an innate sense of unloveableness that seems to have been experienced all throughout the life. Sometimes there was no real event but a general feeling of not being loved as a child. This could actually be some real karmic pattern – truly brought over from a past life. In feeling unloveable, not attractive, not being worthy, they learn to value what is often overlooked by others. This can make them very humanitarian in their life activities or they can just be attracted to people who take advantage of them." from here : http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/retrograde-planets-lecture-notes

"There is a tendency to internalize hurts, working things out, within, unlike the direct Venus will work things out, externally. Often the retrograde Venus will over react, and exaggerate the effect. There is a strong reaction to the imperfections of the love, or loves, of their life, and the path of love doesn't run smoothly.

Sometimes, they are overly self conscious and wonder if they are getting enough attention. They also aren't positive about their likes and dislikes. They may be deeply in love, and not realize it until the relationship has been over for ten years! They go through similar patterns, all designed to deny themselves what they believe they really need. This pre-programs relationships to often result in the same disappointments, turning into a vicious cycle.

As some accept retrogrades, mostly as doing things over, dealing with some Karmic experience. The retrograde Venus is often the result of a painful love or great misunderstanding, or intense hurt, that these people are actually protecting themselves from reliving.

It seems they cannot experience the richness of love, completely, in this lifetime because of the deep fear or feeling the pain all over again. They may even try to fit into a relationship of the distant past and fit it to today, which is an attempt to regain the love lost, usually ending with more disappointment and loneliness" from here: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120102094845AAdXR2f

"Venus Retrograde
* reconsiders before expressing love or affection
* relates awkwardly to others
* doubts the love others offer
* can become obsessed in relationships
* feels let down by the commitment level of others "
from here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/004356.html

posted February 19, 2013 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Venus/ Saturn hard aspect

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posted February 19, 2013 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
Chiron and Saturn is a killer too.

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posted February 19, 2013 04:50 PM            

Agreed on harsh Chiron aspects. I have it squaring my Ascendant and yes, I often feel like people would have more fun without me; that I'm just wasting their time, that they think I'm boring or too anxious.

Moon-Chiron doesn't sound good either. A couple of hard aspects to that would make you very sensitive, I think, especially with how you react.

Maybe squares from and to Neptune? For feeling invisible or confused about where you stand?

Or Chiron in the first house, feeling hurt about the way you are seen.

posted May 04, 2023 11:53 AM            

Harsh aspects of Venus to the ascendant would make it more difficult to express your loving nature and feel lovable. My Venus is in 8th house and inconjunct Ascendant. I often feel a bit awkward in social situations.

Uncomfortable planets in the first house or conjunct Ascendant, like Mars, Saturn, Pluto and Chiron. Maybe Uranus too. These would get reactions from other people that can make you feel like an outsider. These planets also are opposite the 7th house of relationships and will create tension with people that put their planets in your 7th house. I have my Pluto there and people have had really strong reactions to me without me understanding why.

posted May 04, 2023 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
From my experience, the most effective ones are (opposite/square) between...
Moon-Venus
Moon-Saturn
Venus-Saturn (conjunction too)

and Placements such as...
Venus in 12H
Saturn in 11H
Neptune in 1H

and finally, Major planets making harsh aspects to Chiron.

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posted May 04, 2023 07:14 PM            

Venus in 12th house, I was very out of touch with love for so long I couldn't even define it.

Sun conjunct chiron, my father died suddenly and while I was very much loved by him, his death left a giant hole.

Chiron conjunct ascendant, I was not very well accepted by my peers. Not bullied but, ignored is a better word.

posted May 05, 2023 01:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
…Uranus in the 7H, my offbeat opinions tend to set people off sometimes. Not necessarily unloved but, this can sometimes put a wedge between myself and others. It also reinforces the detachment style I have in relationships and causes a lot of misunderstandings.

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posted May 05, 2023 07:22 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
I have Venus opposite Uranus and recognize this. I’m not afraid to let my principles cause friction with other people. If it’s important to me (Uranus in H2), I will stay true to it. I consider my values a valid reason to cut other people off. And no tears will be shed.

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