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GrlyGirl200
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posted February 22, 2013 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I have a friend who just met a guy. Actually last week. They met on an online sports website (prior to last week maybe a month or two ago), exchanged numbers (last Friday) and officially met last week Friday. I wasn't able to go with her to see how they interacted. Anyway they have been texting all week, and talking all week. He lives about two hours from us, and is moving away to where he will be about 5 hours away from us on Monday (300 miles) for a new job. But I think he will occasionally from time to time come back to our city. Anyway she drove to stay with him this weekend when he is moving.

I've told her in a very nice way that I thought it was a very bad idea that she drives to see him and puts in so much soooo soon, as what are they gonna do hold hands and play dominoes (no you know they're gonna have sex...).

Anyway how do I tell her that she might want to calm down (seriously she's driving two hours to see a guy she JUST met last week)...I'm 25 and she's 29 about to be 30 in a few months (I think that's why she's so eager), and I love my friend...but hey the situation almost screams she's setting herself up.

Now I know their respective placements and off the bat it doesn't seem like its gonna lend well...he just turned 26 and she is gonna be 29...among other things.

So having said this...is this behavior desperate or reek of desperation (I think it does!!!)...but also what aspects would make someone do something like this...discuss among yourselves :-)

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posted February 23, 2013 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe pluto and neptune. Check her natal and transits

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GrlyGirl200
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posted February 23, 2013 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well she turns 30 in July her birthday is the day before mine. And she doesn't have any overwhelming Pluto going on (she does have a Trine to her Mars/Mer and a Sextile to her Venus). I told her that she prolly should wait to see him, but she thinks he's such a great catch that she thinks it makes sense to pursue this.

I'm more inclined to think he's being a typical guy (I actually know his placements as well...and for the type of person she is he is a TERRIBLE person for her to get involved with)...and a girl is coming to see him...he prolly thinks he's gonna get some and soon (seriously she's traveling two hours to see a guy she just met). And he's moving 5 hours away...I think that says it all right here. So does anyone else have any idea what her placements might be?

Side note...according to sassastrology calculator (which I find eerily accurate) they have a 50% compatibility rating.

Here is the calculator if anyone wants to try it! http://sasstrology.com/love-calculator

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posted February 23, 2013 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luminosity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I couldn't agree with you more. Her behavior is extremely desperate. It sounds like she doesn't value herself enough to subtly let him know that SHE is the prize, SHE is the catch to be won...not the other way around. When you make yourself too available to men like that they never end up totally respecting you. I'm very old fashioned and believe that it's a good idea to avoid sex until there is an actual commitment established but most people don't feel that way...however a more open situation can make it so that we women sell ourselves too short.

I don't really think it matters what her placements are, or maybe it does, I dont know. 30 seems a bit old to be chasing men. It sounds to me like she could use a good therapist, someone to help her develop more self esteem. Does she have very deep insecurities? I can't help but think that behavior like this points to some very deep seated issues.

As a friend all you can do is be there for her. Keep telling her what you have been saying. She may not listen to you but if you can just be there and give her advice in a non judgmental way perhaps it will help her to open up a bit more and start seeing things through your perspective.

Good luck
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Luminosity
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posted February 23, 2013 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luminosity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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quinnlycanastro
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posted February 23, 2013 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for quinnlycanastro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people are really intense, it doesn't make them desperate. Those of a certain disposition think nothing of distance...it's just something to be factored in to the planning lol

Maybe if you behaved that way ~ it WOULD mean you were desperate.

But for those with a lot of fire and/or those with heavy Pluto ~ this is perfectly normal behaviour.


edit to add, and yes aspects to Neptune, Venus/Mars in fire,

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posted February 23, 2013 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peregrine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
Well she turns 30 in July her birthday is the day before mine. And she doesn't have any overwhelming Pluto going on (she does have a Trine to her Mars/Mer and a Sextile to her Venus). I told her that she prolly should wait to see him, but she thinks he's such a great catch that she thinks it makes sense to pursue this.

I'm more inclined to think he's being a typical guy (I actually know his placements as well...and for the type of person she is he is a TERRIBLE person for her to get involved with)...and a girl is coming to see him...he prolly thinks he's gonna get some and soon (seriously she's traveling two hours to see a guy she just met). And he's moving 5 hours away...I think that says it all right here. So does anyone else have any idea what her placements might be?

Side note...according to sassastrology calculator (which I find eerily accurate) they have a 50% compatibility rating.

Here is the calculator if anyone wants to try it! http://sasstrology.com/love-calculator


was it the angelina and billybob one??? coz i have a working theory on that! the angelina and billybob is great sex lol! maybe that's all it is.

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posted February 23, 2013 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
2 hours trip is not that much. And turning 30 in July doesn't really fall under "about to be 30".
There are happy marriages that started after a week even less. Not everybody is a creep. Precaution is needed, I agree.

You speculate too much!
Besides, I think it speaks more of you than your friend when you labeled this "desperate".

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posted February 23, 2013 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for quinnlycanastro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Besides, I think it speaks more of you than your friend when you labeled this "desperate".

I agree strongly with this

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posted February 23, 2013 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for quinnlycanastro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by peregrine:
was it the angelina and billybob one??? coz i have a working theory on that! the angelina and billybob is great sex lol! maybe that's all it is.

I wondered this too hahahaha. If society wasn't so judgemental we wouldn't have to pretend we were really in to them before getting what we really wanted.

Oh, and in case that gets interpreted wrongly ~ I haven't had any for nearly two years and I'm not looking either. I just think it's important that we're free to be who we are without having to conform to anyone else's standards.

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Luminosity
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posted February 23, 2013 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luminosity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ugh, my phone's messed up, double post, sorry.

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posted February 23, 2013 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just don't understand what's wrong with the fact that he's younger, on its own. You know some girls are hotter/fresher than girls 3-4 years younger or thereabouts.

Yeah like some gross 33 yo wrinkly sh1t with skin like sandpaper would be sooooooo much better for her wouldn't it

And what does eagerness have to do with age - I also wonder. 24 year olds are much more willing to spread to end up in a relationship

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posted February 23, 2013 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luminosity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would feel differently if he was driving to see her as well. However, it doesn't sound that way from what you've described. It also sounds a bit risky since she doesn't even know him that well, he could be a really awful person and she would have no idea because she hasn't given herself any time to feel out the situation.

I have aspects to Neptune as well as heavy pluto/scorpio in my chart and I would never run after a man like that so I don't know if that's accurate. I think it comes down to whether or not you feel ok about yourself without having a partner, whether you feel happy enough with yourself to go into a relationship because you want to, not because you feel like you have to.

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posted February 23, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i dont think it sounds desperate in and of itself- i mean someone has to do the drive to see one another- why do you care if she has sex or not?

why do you care what she does- you just sound jealous

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posted February 23, 2013 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luminosity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds like she cares about her friend and doesn't want to see her get hurt.

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posted February 23, 2013 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Luminosity:
It sounds like she cares about her friend and doesn't want to see her get hurt.

i jsut feel sorry for women like you- you miss out on so much because you are so busy acting like some super special prize!

i am OLD SCHOOL european and old school european women do not think or behave the way you do so please dont sully the concept of an old fashioned woman- an old fashioned woman is a total man pleaser and sure plays fun flirty games but is not some prissy little ***** who will only put out if a man puts a ring on it like she is on sale in a market- passion is stronger than marriage vows.

you MUST be american with that attitude or maybe canadian but im willing to bet american.

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posted February 23, 2013 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sharpei:
i jsut feel sorry for women like you- you miss out on so much because you are so busy acting like some super special prize!

i am OLD SCHOOL european and old school european women do not think or behave the way you do so please dont sully the concept of an old fashioned woman- an old fashioned woman is a total man pleaser and sure plays fun flirty games but is not some prissy little ***** who will only put out if a man puts a ring on it like she is on sale in a market- passion is stronger than marriage vows.

you MUST be american with that attitude or maybe canadian but im willing to bet american.


Everyone should act like they're a prize, otherwise they end up coming home with a dud.

I reckon her behaviour is full on and desperate, so maybe she is plutonian with maybe... Cancer? I don't know. I wouldn't behave like that. z.z

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posted February 23, 2013 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sharpei:
i dont think it sounds desperate in and of itself- i mean someone has to do the drive to see one another- why do you care if she has sex or not?

why do you care what she does- you just sound jealous



... Jealous? She's concerned that her friend is jumping over hoops way too soon.

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posted February 23, 2013 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quinnlycanastro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Luminosity:
I have aspects to Neptune as well as heavy pluto/scorpio in my chart and I would never run after a man like that so I don't know if that's accurate.


Oh it's accurate alright. But, much depends on the chart as a whole, as well as the mind of the person who gets to have it as a birth chart. Upbringing and environment also affects how it manifest. House positions are important as they dictate which area of life gets to deal with the energy.


As to this bit ~ "
I think it comes down to whether or not you feel ok about yourself without having a partner, whether you feel happy enough with yourself to go into a relationship because you want to, not because you feel like you have to."

That's how you do things. If people do differently it does not mean they don't feel okay in themselves. You have your own barometer for deciding what is good for you. Some people are happy without a partner, some aren't. Sometimes; being alone IS the cause of not feeling great.

If you want some reading on that I can suggest Otto Rank ~ Beyond Psychology, he found that single women frequently feel ashamed for no reason other than being single. Men on the other hand, experience guilt because they're not providing.

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posted February 23, 2013 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luminosity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Sharpei: Wow, I am very surprised at how rude you are being. You don't even know me.

I don't think that I am superior. I just know what I want and it sounds like what I want is very different from what you do and that's fine.

If I had a friend who was doing what Girly girl's was doing I would be concerned too.

I think that perhaps being old fashioned can mean different things to different people. To me is means waiting to get to know somebody before you become intimate with them. It means valuing marriage. It means valuing love and friendship and commitment over lust. I am not saying that lust is a bad thing, I just think that it has taken over in this day and age to the point where we sometimes view others as objects rather than human beings. I think that if more people felt this way there would be less instances of people getting hurt, which it sounds like Girlygirl's friend is setting herself up for.

And yes I am American. But that doesn't mean you can pick a fight with me on somebody else's thread. This is Girly girl's thread so let's stick to the topic that she started.

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posted February 23, 2013 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quinnlycanastro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Luminosity ~ you're entitled to live your life however you want. My issue with you and the OP was that you were looking down on some other girl for how she was living HER life.

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"Wow, I am very surprised at how rude you are being. You don't even know me."

if you look further up this thread you'll see quite clearly that you wrote;

"I couldn't agree with you more. Her behavior is extremely desperate. It sounds like she doesn't value herself enough

30 seems a bit old to be chasing men.

I can't help but think that behavior like this points to some very deep seated issues."


You wrote all that about someone you don't even know and yet get irate when someone calls you out on your judgemental attitude?

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posted February 23, 2013 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luminosity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not irate and I don't think that what I said was judgmental. I think it's very common these days for girls to put in a lot of work and effort into a relationship...effort that is not reciprocated.

I don't know the full story but from what was described it sounds like this woman is rushing into something way too fast. In my experience people typically do this when they feel desperate. Maybe this woman is not desperate. I could be wrong. But I think that's the way it sounds.

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posted February 23, 2013 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to say i honestly don`t think it`s considered desperation when somebody goes out of their own way to drive two hours to see somebody else.What`s this girl`s crime that she is putting in the effort into seeing somebody she seems to genuinely like?

That really does not sound like a cause for concern,i also don`t think whether she is 20 or 30 it means anything in the least bit.Sometimes age means squat when your feeling something you`ve never felt for another human being.I don`t know the guy in question,i don`t know if he enjoys being chased or if he enjoys chasing but unless he thinks it`s an issue then it`s not right of us to judge whether the decision this girl is making to drive two hours to meet him is something strange.

In the end does it really matter who does the chasing? i admire her for being gutsy enough to drive up to meet him,i know i`ve had many chances that i never took and here she is not sitting on the sidelines waiting.

Good for her.

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posted February 23, 2013 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not the distance itself, but the fact she's doing it after one week of meeting him.
It's quite intense, no? Personally I don't think this is normal behaviour.

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posted February 23, 2013 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's not the distance itself, but the fact she's doing it after one week of meeting him.
It's quite intense, no? Personally I don't think this is normal behaviour.

I don`t think it`s werid

I also think that maybe she is not like the common girl who spends months deciding,i do wonder if she has Venus in Aries because this sounds quite like the placement.

I`m also thinking hey she living for the moment,life is too short anyways whether you wait a week or a year who gives a crap?

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