posted March 02, 2013 10:45 PM            

I believe there is no such thing as astrologically doomed to failure.

There are instances where two people have almost the exact same chart, and one person thrives and the other fails.

Or you have people with very similar charts, with different outcomes in their lives. Perhaps the same aspect that may have contributed to one person's failure was part of the other person's success, because of how the successful person learned to harness or sublimate their inner tension.

posted March 02, 2013 11:12 PM            

Everyone suffers and fails at some time in some thing or another, but sometimes you are bound to prevail.

Just like nobody can live a life without experiencing some kind of suffering, and completely succeed at everything all the time.

"there is nothing either good or
bad, but thinking makes it so."

Have you read Hamlet?

If you deem everything in life is a "prison" than it will be to you. (replace prison with whatever the dilemma is at the moment)

Life is what you make of it...

So if a person is doomed to suffer and fail, it is only because they, themselves, have decided that what they experience is negative, not that it is in essence anything more than what it simply is... one experience in many...

So if you mean what in a chart would make someone look at life negatively by force of habit, then, perhaps looking at Western charts and taking only negative interpretations into account... and reading everything in its most extreme possible light, would work (to some degree).

If you look at the prominent stars in Western astrology you can also see more what negative energy is at play, by natal and their transit.

But, this line of astrology is better maintained by Vedic astrology.

You can do the same with Eastern astrology, viewing the stars and transits to the palaces/houses there.

But, it's all relative...

It comes down to the person in questions individual perception and values.

A person who sets insanely high expectations (for themselves and others) or has a poor concept on what "life" should be like, will be prone to these feelings and thoughts, inevitably.. no matter what is in their natal chart.

But, having hard Neptune aspects and perhaps strong Saturn placements/aspects will probably lead a person to experience these misgivings about themselves and life in general at some point in time or another, more frequently than someone who does not.

Karmic placements, for those who believe in this idea, are probably the worst for the people who already have this mindset, and aspects... The 12th and 1st house along with North/South Nodes, in my opinion, probably speak the most for that individuals needs, potential, and growth (what hinders it and what aids it).

But, really, nobody... nobody...

Can only experience one flavour of life/humanity's gifts.

We suffer and are dying from the moment we are born, (er conceived)... But, there is no utopian society out there either, and even the most successful people suffer failures...
But, we're welcome to the joys and sorrows life has to offer in equal measure, if we only open ourselves to them. It's unrealistic to think there is only one side to anything...

sorry but, that is my honest opinion. You asked if there are, but honestly I believe there are not.

You gotta remember, there's always someone out there with worse things on their plate, and some of them... some of them, would love to have those "failures" and "sufferings", that another is having over what they have to experience themselves. Some people don't even get to try the things others "fail" or "suffer" over... they'd feel blessed having that opportunity.. even if it was a failure... and why? - because they (this is the important part) -see- things differently.

it's all about perception...

*tc

posted March 02, 2013 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
I believe the potential for success depends on self, environment n luck. I know fr astrology n bazi tt good times don't last as bad times don't last... The transits n luck pillars factored. The problem i hv is i rather a good ending to a life lived thn a good begining to a life.

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"Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again, but life goes on."

posted March 03, 2013 03:10 AM            

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Originally posted by peregrine:
"Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again, but life goes on."

i believe there are. at least from what one perceives to be externally as suffering.

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Nice. Suffering is a perception.

posted March 03, 2013 04:28 AM            

flush

posted March 03, 2013 12:12 PM            

"There is neither happiness nor misery in the world; there is only the comparison of one state with another, nothing more. He who has felt the deepest grief is best able to experience supreme happiness. We must have felt what it is to die, Morrel, that we may appreciate the enjoyments of life."

As for feeling - as if you're doomed, look for ironies (ironic placements - even conflictual ones) in your chart. You either deal with them and try to overcome them (which is the hard path) or fight fire with fire and be ironic about it, like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOzsjEmjjHs - again, it's just a matter of perspective.

As for Famous people who were seen as failures, Abraham Lincoln was indeed one of them, yet - there are many others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLYECIjmnQs - not to mention the least famous people... which might exceed a billion...

Life... just is - we "the people" label it as hard or easy based on personal experiences... by indulging in thinking or over-thinking. If you want happiness - you can chose ignorance and either live in your world or in other people's world, but... don't question the rest and i guarantee you'll be happier (a lot happier) than does that do.

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posted March 03, 2013 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by libraschoice77:
I think it has to do with early conditioning in life. Some people take their negative past experiences and use that towards a certain inner belief that they can and will do better in their life. They believe they have that fighting spirit in them, that burning desire to prove to themselves ... Then there are other kinds of people who use those bad experiences to feel sorry for themselves and throw it around as an excuse to not really try or keep going. For them they think that no matter what they do nothing will get better for them, its a constant pessimistic attitude that holds them back from accomplishing.

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That is a great way to say it. When one sees a happy quadriplegic it puts things into perspective.

There are also some, and it's not pretty, who just prefer to wallow in whatever it is. For myself i tend to avoid such folks like the plague, they sap your energy and sour ones mood..just no thanks.

posted March 03, 2013 03:16 PM            

You don't get to choose the cards you are dealt.

It's how you play the poker game given your hand of cards that matters.

Kenny Rogers sang it best:

He said, "Son, I've made my life out of readin' people's faces,
And knowin' what their cards were by the way they held their eyes.
So if you don't mind my sayin', I can see you're out of aces.
For a taste of your whiskey I'll give you some advice."

So I handed him my bottle and he drank down my last swallow.
Then he bummed a cigarette and asked me for a light.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.

posted March 03, 2013 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
idk , i was just thinking about this because you see soo many people who have terrible luck and can never seem to catch a break. it kind of makes one wonder sometimes.

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In general, certainly, but I'd say the reasons for the bad luck or what have you is b/c they lack a sort of internal self reliance and are just blown along by whatever occurs.

posted March 03, 2013 05:38 PM            

What is more important to me is, and I guess I'm echoing everyone else here, the attitude someone has towards these setbacks. Again, some people get through everything with a smile on their face while others take bad experiences very hard. Harsh Saturn aspects would probably make someone prone to get very affected by those things. But doomed forever? No, I'd like to think there's more to that. If someone's overwhelmed with life, they tend to miss the few things that do go well and the other way around, people who have it easy may not even notice the little things that go wrong. Support and especially knowing you have it helps to keep optimistic, at least in my case.

People who have extremely high expectations of themselves and/or compare themselves to others often are more vulnerable to that feeling of not being good enough. So aspects for high standards/jealousy/perfectionism.

posted March 03, 2013 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Au contraire. There are people who are Fated to be a success in life, and a string of failures is designed to create that. Case in point, Abraham Lincoln. He was an epic failure in everything he attempted; then he became President of the United States...arguably the greatest of all time.

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posted March 03, 2013 09:28 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
idk , i was just thinking about this because you see soo many people who have terrible luck and can never seem to catch a break. it kind of makes one wonder sometimes.

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posted March 03, 2013 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by libraschoice77:
I think it has to do with early conditioning in life. Some people take their negative past experiences and use that towards a certain inner belief that they can and will do better in their life. They believe they have that fighting spirit in them, that burning desire to prove to themselves ... Then there are other kinds of people who use those bad experiences to feel sorry for themselves and throw it around as an excuse to not really try or keep going. For them they think that no matter what they do nothing will get better for them, its a constant pessimistic attitude that holds them back from accomplishing.

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