posted March 07, 2013 06:55 AM            

Seriously?

so wordly power is easier for guys?

posted March 07, 2013 07:12 AM            

I consider the "pluto is power" thing to be mostly widespread by astrology websites that like stereotyping planets and signs.
Pluto is intensity, personal transformation. People with proeminent pluto tend to consider everything a life or death isue. They can get easily wrapped up in eotionally intense situations that go beyond their control. Actually I see pluto as pretty much the ability to lose control and be transformed by the experience.

Maybe this is powerful to some. But to me powerful people are those who scream "I'm in charge". Power to me is all about CONTROL. Settign your rules, adn your limits and not settling for anything other than this. Powerful people are feared somehow. You don't want them against you. And I can't think of any other planet that incarnates control and rules and those other qualities better than saturn.

Anyway I researched some of the world most influencial people through history:
Julius Caesar: Cap moon, Mars and Saturn both conjucnt his north node in taurus.
Joseph Stalin: he either have saturn conjunct ascendant in pisces (astro.com) or a cap ascendant (astrotheme)
Alexander the Great has a handle type of chart with uranus in cap as the handle.
Charlemagne astro chart: aries sun, cap moon, saturn in the first house
Napoleon: Leo sun in the 10 th house, scopr rising with jupiter in first house. Cap moon opposed saturn
Hitler: Saturn in 10th house, Cap moon conjunct jupiter
Forgot Margareth Thatcher, I think she's quite a powerful woman: saturn conjunct ascendant, Moon on the MC

posted March 07, 2013 07:47 AM            

A woman true to the feminine spirit will will not crave wordly power, I suppose. I havenīt thought about it much though so I could be wrong..

Anyway, power is an energy form, but I always think power has an element of seduction, of manipulation of the ones you hold power over. In that sense women can have as much, if not more, power than men.

Ultimately - craving power creates suffering imo. Thatīs why I stopped craving it. I wish to live my life serving people insted.

posted March 07, 2013 07:51 AM            

I agree with you about pluto. Pluto is a spiritual planet, just like neptune. But it has an element of power, and like you said LOSING power in order to gain something else. Pluto knows that wordly power isnīt the strongest force in the universe.

posted March 07, 2013 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Little Doe:
Sorry, canīt agree with you. True power is genderless. Yes, if youīre talking about wordly power - I guess you have a point. Nature designed men to be more powerful, because power enhances masculinity. Itīs a part of the masculine spirit.

A woman true to the feminine spirit will will not crave wordly power, I suppose. I havenīt thought about it much though so I could be wrong..

Anyway, power is an energy form, but I always think power has an element of seduction, of manipulation of the ones you hold power over. In that sense women can have as much, if not more, power than men.

Ultimately - craving power creates suffering imo. Thatīs why I stopped craving it. I wish to live my life serving people insted.

I have a pretty weird chart, itīs quite extreme, all packed and not very dynamic?
http://astro.cafeastrology. com/cgi-bin/graphic/daisy24?dformat=2&date=1983/12/30&time=2.0&lat=45.08&long=-17.15&adjust=-1.00〈=en&x=480&y=640

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I suppose i meant power as in politics, titans of industry, ceos.

Sure women have power over men. Powerful men are easy to seduce. It is lonely at the top.

posted March 07, 2013 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by peregrine:
^LMFAO sometimes i forget we are on an astrology forum my bad.

moving away from my sag SN i'd like to say that my gemini NN acknowledges your view tho. <3

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posted March 07, 2013 10:01 AM            

What I mean by this is there is hierarchical power then there is a sort of power to be left alone to interact with Hierarchies, or just ignore them.

That is sort of the realm of the creative and inventive, for example an artist may have no hierarchical power but may also be widely influential w/o traditional personal power structures they are more aligned to introversion but with a unique skill set.

The Uranus+Mercury placement comes to mind, or the classic Scorpio Jupiter where essentially an individual forms a counter culture structure.

Or Moon squaring Venus, where in a power structure they may have little organizational power, however they can have charisma w/those up and down the structure.