posted March 14, 2013 04:35 PM            

I see no connection with Sag and Leo. Neither Sag nor Leo is about self-love. On a purely theoretical level I can't see the connection. On a more practical level, I haven't noticed any kind of pattern with these signs, but I certainly have with Aries.

posted March 15, 2013 07:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
2 thirds of narcissists are men.
I have only met Aries-influenced men who had narcissistic traits and one who was definitely a narcissist.

I see no connection with Sag and Leo. Neither Sag nor Leo is about self-love. On a purely theoretical level I can't see the connection. On a more practical level, I haven't noticed any kind of pattern with these signs, but I certainly have with Aries.

And this is not primarily about sun signs.

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I presume you're referring to the men you personally met - a personal statistic...or maybe the ones from outer space. ^^

Leo is not about self-love? You do know that - their dominant planet is "the Sun" - right? "...our center" - would be a way to put it for most people, but also - self-centered for some.

The most narcissistic person i ever met is - a Leo with ASC/Moon/Venus in Leo..."and that - kinda says all). The author of this topic has Asc in Leo as well (nothing in Aries). So, it's not "just" Aries... or just Leo - after all, the arch-enemy of Leo would be the Capricorn (maybe YTA would be a good example for that :P ).

posted March 15, 2013 08:57 AM            

This is not statistically significant by any means. It is just my opinion. I disagree with you. That's that.

posted March 15, 2013 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Leo is a social sign and hence not about self-love. It's associated with the 5th house which involves sex/crushes/babies/creative projects... all involving a love of people or things outside the self. Aries is associated with the 1st house - house of the personal ego/the self. Narcissistic personality disorder gives the person a very flawed/unhealthy sense of self.. So I think it makes more sense (on a pury theoretical level) that this would be a twisted manifestation of Aries - i.e. an afflicted Aries placement.. The experiences I have had with fellow humans & not aliens happen to have backed up that theory.

This is not statistically significant by any means. It is just my opinion. I disagree with you. That's that.

You'll be hard-pressed to find very good statistics on narcissism in general, let alone narcissism from an astrological perspective. I think this is because its very difficult to diagnose, even when the narcissist ends up on a psychologist's couch (which mind you isn't often!). I have read it's inbuilt in the nature of the disorder that they do not want to recognise that they are ill and require help.

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Sure... in same way "spirituality is about going to church". ! I see - you don't understand Leos, the Sun and House 5 - and that's not about personal opinions anymore.

Leo "is about self-love" - thus the dominant planet "the Sun (center of our world)" - same goes for House 5... which is not about sex (that would be House 8), not about babies - at least "not as you put it" - which is such a dysfunctional perspective (as in - "having a baby for social reasons") - it can imply a baby, that's true - but "that comes as an expression of self-love", after all - that baby is part of you, something you make for yourself (cause "you want a baby")... not for "society" O_O - and same goes for creation... as in "MY WORK (look what "I" made)". If a Leo creates something, he wants full credit for it and wants people to know that he did it. Furthermore - you won't see a Leo - doing "anonymous" acts of kindness, they can be generous if they afford to - but mainly, they do that to be acknowledged (helps them feel good about "themselves"). It's same with crushes - "MY" love for you/"I" love you... On the opposite side you have House 11 - now, that's the house that's not about the self - "but others..." their friendship, wishes/expectations related to others. Unless you have Sun - in House 11, which would make that house the center of your world (same goes for any other house where the Sun resides).

Ignore the Sun - and concentrate more on the ASC - and you'll become an empty shell that fades away with time passing (your Sun/inner light - shines less and less till you loose your sense of identity, your love for yourself) - a ghost.

posted March 15, 2013 10:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Jessica, this is not just about being egotistical. This is a disorder that involves having no empathy whatsoever for others.. having no real sense of self and seeing those around you as a source of narcissistic supply rather than as other human beings.
Do you still relate?

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arghhhh am an evolved leo, but to be quite honest with you, I know a few leos (all male) who seriously suffer from a disorder of some sort. Thing about leos ( the ones I know) is when you kindly point it out to them, they actually feel bad, but hey next time you meet them it's the same story all over again.

posted March 15, 2013 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Jessica, this is not just about being egotistical. This is a disorder that involves having no empathy whatsoever for others.. having no real sense of self and seeing those around you as a source of narcissistic supply rather than as other human beings.
Do you still relate?

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posted March 15, 2013 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
arghhhh am an evolved leo, but to be quite honest with you, I know a few leos (all male) who seriously suffer from a disorder of some sort. Thing about leos ( the ones I know) is when you kindly point it out to them, they actually feel bad, but hey next time you meet them it's the same story all over again.

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posted March 15, 2013 11:06 AM            

Cause I don't agree with ''2 thirds of narcissists are men''

posted March 15, 2013 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
The Houses show the strongest position for a Sign/Planet - yet Leo or the Sun feels at home in ASC. The ASC stands for "public" image - the way the world sees us...having the Sun there - makes your inner-self more visible, more prominent than any other placement - if you shine "that's visible on a public level".

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posted March 15, 2013 11:38 AM            

While I do agree that most Leos can have very large egos and be very self-centered, I believe in a healthy individual this is actual self love and not covering up a deep inferiority. A narcissist never wants to admit that they are a narcissist, and in my experience a person with a strong Leo influence in their chart has no qualms with admitting they have a big ego.

posted March 15, 2013 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I understand your perspective, but it is indeed a matter of opinion and I don't agree with yours, for the reasons I already went through. Agree to disagree

If you read about the general differences between personal signs and social signs, you might see where I'm coming from.

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Unless it's something you conclude on your own - based on what was mentioned above - I kinda doubt that, since - I sense a Capricorn/Taurus type of stubbornness - where it's not about the right answer anymore (the sky is green - period). So, i guess - agreeing to disagree is the only option. Ok, np. = though, you made me a bit curious - so, if you don't mind - in what sign is your Sun, Moon and Mars (i don't know you on a personal level so the last 2 might be more important in terms of reactions)? O_o

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I know a Leo rising, her facebook page is public, is FULL of herself,pictures of herself, she talks about herself, her private life is not private because evrywhere she goes she updates her status, she basks in the glory of it all. Her world revolves around herself.

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I had a friend - "who used to collect this type of characters" - at one point he had more than 500 in his FB friend list (for each one he found - there where another 5+ in her friend list) - just local ones. They seem to accept friend request from any possible admirer - some are barely 18 and have "friends" with ages ranging between 16 and 45+.Facebook is like a technological breakthrough for narcissists.

posted March 15, 2013 12:55 PM            

I can see where Odette is coming from with the Aries thing, and maybe that's why we Leo Ascendants come off this way more so than just a Leo Sun. The Leo ego made prominent by 1st house (Aries) energies.

On the other hand though, I know a lot of Aries and I wouldn't consider them narcissistic or even really egotistical. They just have this "my way or the highway" sorta attitude about them. Not that THEY are better than everything/everyone, just the way they do/want things done. Heck, I'm guilty of that one too, could be my Aries Venus though

posted March 15, 2013 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by starfairy:
I think Sun on the Ascendant can be very narcissistic, as well.

The most narcissistic person I know has Venus in Aries in the first house, with Sag moon conjunct Neptune. He thought he was sooooo sexy (he's not). He has a few Virgo planets and Saturn oppositions, so he's quite insecure and critical of himself, but he is sooo narcissistic and egotistical at the same time.

I'd say Jupiter squaring the Sun or chart ruler can inflate the ego, as well.

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posted March 16, 2013 01:42 AM            

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