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swampys
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posted March 15, 2013 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Am I evil?

I know I'm even capable of serious physical abuse. I like leading men on emotionally and taking advantage of them. I am incredibly narcissistic. I love being in power and feel I deserve to rule my country. I want to take away human lives that I find genuinely worthless because I honestly feel that's the best thing to do at this point.

I'm concerned, so I guess you couldn't say I'm fundamentally evil, but even when I feel bad I just go back to my normal behavior later. "Thankfully" I'm only physically abusive when I feel very provoked.

Do you know anyone who's like me and can you post their chart?

Also, I think I may look for dominant, masculine, aggressive partners due to my childhood. Does Pluto have a big affect on my chart?

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted March 15, 2013 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never seen a chart quite like yours. You have soooooo much energy in that thing, girl :S I don't even know what to tell you. Just be careful and think about things a lot

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swampys
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posted March 15, 2013 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I've never seen a chart quite like yours. You have soooooo much energy in that thing, girl :S I don't even know what to tell you. Just be careful and think about things a lot

You make me feel so special! ^__^ Thank you!

Yeah! I'm really impulsive sometimes and regret it when I act on impulses!

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted March 15, 2013 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have a wonderful amount of energy! You should do something great with it! Do something extraordinary with your life!

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swampys
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posted March 15, 2013 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You have a wonderful amount of energy! You should do something great with it! Do something extraordinary with your life!

Hopefully something political!

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Kerosene
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posted March 15, 2013 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Watch out y'all op will be an evil dictator!

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swampys
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posted March 15, 2013 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
Watch out y'all op will be an evil dictator!

^____^

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swampys
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posted March 16, 2013 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone else have anything to add?

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12thhouser
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posted March 16, 2013 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swampys:
I know I'm even capable of serious physical abuse. I like leading men on emotionally and taking advantage of them. I am incredibly narcissistic. I love being in power and feel I deserve to rule my country. I want to take away human lives that I find genuinely worthless because I honestly feel that's the best thing to do at this point.

I don't think any of the above is something to necessarily be proud of, because it reads like you are.

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swampys
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posted March 16, 2013 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I don't think any of the above is something to necessarily be proud of, because it reads like you are.


I'm not narcissistic over that! That would be terrible! And I don't like that behavior. BUT I just can't help going back to that behavior, so I wanted to know what aspects in astrology lead to that...

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12thhouser
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posted March 16, 2013 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swampys:
I like leading men on emotionally and taking advantage of them... I love being in power and feel I deserve to rule my country. I want to take away human lives that I find genuinely worthless because I honestly feel that's the best thing to do at this point

I'm talking about this, not your self-proclaimed narcissism.

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swampys
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posted March 16, 2013 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I'm talking about this, not your self-proclaimed narcissism.

I was talking about that, too! And even my "self-proclaimed" narcissism.

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12thhouser
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posted March 16, 2013 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swampys:
Does Pluto have a big affect on my chart?

It can. The five placements that stood out for me were : Neptune, Uranus, and Mars in Cap; Moon in Cancer; Pluto in Scorpio. Although the moon is at home in Cancer, it's not received well in aspect by your Pluto in Scorpio (Moon in Scorpio brings lots of emotional drama and can be vindictive) nor by your Cap placements (Moon is in detriment in Cap and can harden your feelings and be indecipherable). Mars is not received well by the Moon in Cancer either. Mars is exalted in Cap, but in fall in Cancer. Plus, all of those Cap placements want POWER. That's my guess as to what's behind you acting the way you do. Plus, two of the Cap placements are in the 5th, so you may actually get a thrill out of acting this way, yet with Pluto both in domicile by sign in the 4th, you may feel right "at home" doing this. Since Pluto is a transpersonal, magnetic planet, you may also feel like such behavior is beyond your control to stop.

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swampys
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posted March 16, 2013 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 12thhouser:
It can. The five placements that stood out for me were : Neptune, Uranus, and Mars in Cap; Moon in Cancer; Pluto in Scorpio. Although the moon is at home in Cancer, it's not received well in aspect by your Pluto in Scorpio (Moon in Scorpio brings lots of emotional drama and can be vindictive) nor by your Cap placements (Moon is in detriment in Cap and can harden your feelings and indecipherable). That's my guess as to what's behind you acting the way you do. Plus, two of the Cap placements are in the 5th, so you may actually get a thrill out of acting this way, yet with Pluto both in domicile by sign in the 4th, you may feel right "at home" doing this. Since Pluto is a transpersonal, magnetic planet, you may also feel like such behavior is beyond your control to stop.

Thank you!

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Jessica2407
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posted March 16, 2013 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swampys:
Thank you!

I don't understand what you are thanking 12houser for? I didn't see a compliment there

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swampys
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posted March 16, 2013 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I don't understand what you are thanking 12houser for? I didn't see a compliment there

For the evaluation and their time!

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Jessica2407
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posted March 16, 2013 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swampys:
Am I evil?

I know I'm even capable of serious physical abuse. I like leading men on emotionally and taking advantage of them. I am incredibly narcissistic. I love being in power and feel I deserve to rule my country. I want to take away human lives that I find genuinely worthless because I honestly feel that's the best thing to do at this point.

I'm concerned, so I guess you couldn't say I'm fundamentally evil, but even when I feel bad I just go back to my normal behavior later. "Thankfully" I'm only physically abusive when I feel very provoked.

Do you know anyone who's like me and can you post their chart?

Also, I think I may look for dominant, masculine, aggressive partners due to my childhood. Does Pluto have a big affect on my chart?


wow.

why do you think you deserve to rule your country?

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swampys
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posted March 16, 2013 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jessica2407:
wow.

why do you think you deserve to rule your country?


Probably because I'm not around anyone who has the same interests as me and I may feel repressed and it's just turned to anger and entitlement.

BUT! I AM starting to meet people who are cool to me!

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted March 16, 2013 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swampys:
Hopefully something political!

I hope you achieve everything you set out to do! If anyone can, it's you!!!

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swampys
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posted March 16, 2013 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I hope you achieve everything you set out to do! If anyone can, it's you!!!

WOW! THANK YOU! No one's ever encouraged me like that!

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Jessica2407
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posted March 16, 2013 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by swampys:
Probably because I'm not around anyone who has the same interests as me and I may feel repressed and it's just turned to anger and entitlement.

BUT! I AM starting to meet people who are cool to me!


someone should put you in a cage

J/K

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swampys
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posted March 16, 2013 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jessica2407:
someone should put you in a cage

J/K


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12thhouser
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posted March 16, 2013 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by swampys:
For the evaluation and their time!

I'm a he. Instead of "their."

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swampys
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posted March 16, 2013 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I'm a he. Instead of "their."

Hi, he!

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PixieJane
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posted March 16, 2013 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think a chart itself defines evil, but it does give potentialities. To use an oversimplistic metaphor your natal chart is like a coin and it can land heads or tails. Just because you're evil doesn't mean that all the babies born with you are evil as well.

And yes, assuming you're being sincere and not just seeking attention, you're evil. I'm defining evil here not only for its own sake (perhaps to prove your own superiority, or even the sadistic power of the pleasure it gives you) but as a desire to abuse and kill others both to get ahead and "improve" society as well. Of course evil souls such as yourself don't always consider themselves truly evil but more pragmatic and doing what must be done, and may even think themselves good & moral, such as Dolores Umbridge. I mention her because as I read your thread I thought of these 2 scenes with her in it, of what you'd (metaphorically speaking at least) would like to one day be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxMQQitMiX4

&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEHZLRZhVvQ

Of course I speak metaphorically (like how fairytales can be metaphors of showing real sociopolitical conditions of the time), but nevertheless those scenes came to mind as I read what you shared. Like you she's narcissistic, moralistic, hates young people, takes politics VERY seriously, and desires power to torment and kill others, and very likely (assuming her a real person for a moment and adapting to her own wizard world) was much like you are now when she was your age. And when she's in a position to get away with it she'll even admit it (though the fact that she can use a patronus, that is the glowing cat in the 2nd scene, shows she actually believes that her evil serves the greater good, otherwise she would be unable to create it). IOW, evil.

But as to why astrologically speaking:

Your Leo ascendant (which can make one opinionated and narcissistic, even evil as yourself when it goes bad) looks like a likely cause, and in fact my mother also has a Leo ascendant and, like you, is narcissistic and believes herself better than others and will inflict what suffering she can on them out of bitterness, revenge for slights real and imagined, and even just for fun (she feels clever and proving her superiority when she manages to hurt others and get away with it). That's not to say you'd get along (besides the rampant egos you 2 have you both also have some major disagreements on certain things, and she'd see herself as right to destroy you as you would yourself right in destroying her).

Speaking of Leo, you have an evil manifestation of that energy, and that along with what you said of political desires & narcissism also reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVAN2o-5pYM

An Aquarius Sun can also be very much at odds against society (and Aqua Merc adds to being opinionated to add to the Leo ascendant), and while this is sometimes good it can also manifest in evil ways. I read a fascinating book on the Age of Aquarius and it explained how the Aquarian future might be dystopian rather than utopian (again, a coin that can land on heads or tails), and your attitude as displayed here would prevail among elites in the dystopian version. I'm not sure how your Saturn in Aqua would affect things, but I'd guess that would make you more conservative and willing to go slow, OR it could make you aspire to be the ultimate judge, jury, and executioner as you pretty much say you do.

Beyond that, your Cappie Mars would encourage ambition and politicking to get to the top, which you express above. I think your other Cappie placements (and Scorpio Pluto) would only exacerbate that.

DISCLAIMER: Once again I emphasize the natal chart doesn't show one to be evil, it shows potentialities. I don't doubt that many people born right alongside swampys are good, decent people that I'd be happy to know. I myself have a Leo ascendant. I'm just trying to explain how her chart COULD "set the frame of mind" for her particular manifestation of evil. But the chart didn't make her evil, that was free will and/or poor nurturing that made her astrological energy go bad.

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