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Topic: Dispositor chart
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Ceridwen
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posted March 21, 2013 12:34 PM
  
Every planet has a dispositor.
We usually make special notes of these (and call them "rulers"), in the case of the houses (houserulerships).
However, the same can be applied to planets as well.
Some astrologers (including myself) think the signs these dispositors fall in have a meaning, or at least add *something* to the position of the planets.
ARroyo for example called it "overtone" of a planet.
I find these dispositor-signs often have a strong influence, like an underlying factor. Maybe it is just especially noteable in my chart, cause while my personal planets themselves do not have anything in water, the dispositors of my personal planets are ALL in water. And I identify with water a lot, though not in the obvious way like it would be if my planets were ACTUALLY placed in water signs.It is like I am expressing my firesigns in a watery sense. Example:
my Sun is in Sagittarius in 1st house - dispositor is Jupiter, which is in Pisces in 3rd house. I am probably quite enthusiastic like any fire sign; however usually I don`t come in like a steamroller; my enthusiasm is usually expressed in a more subtle way than it is often with Sagittarians. I am also not as optimistic and overtly jolly and extrovert than Sags can be.
I definitely can see how the Pisces dispositor tempers it a bit, and adds a dreamy and more quiet nuance to it. I can see that difference so clearly in a guy who has his Sun in Sag like I have; yet it is like in some sense we are polar opposites. I am fascinated by his earthiness, being grounded, practical, absolutely living in the Here and now, while my mental home probably is somewhere beyond the clouds. lol Turns out the dispositor of his Sun, which is also Jupiter, is in Virgo.
Not only that, his Sun-disp is on 10 Virgo, while mins is on 11 Pisces, tightly opposite each other. I find that remarkable, and it explains a LOT.
Funny enough our Suns are tightly conjunct, and their dispositors are tightly opposed. Then today, while being on the bus, I was having the idea, to treat the dispositors as a "hypothetical chart" - a dispositor chart.
Of course we still have our basic chart, the dispositor chart would maybe be more telling about underlying nuances, or maybe showing in a mroe differentiated way how the basic qualities of the signs are being expressed for each person. If nothing else, it is a nice mental game at least. And I like to sometimes look on my chart from a new perspective. I was using new rulerships here, and that is how my dispositor chart looks; the planet in brackets is the dispositor: Sun: 11 Pisces (Jupiter)
Moon: 1 Scorpio (Uranus)
Mercury. 11 Pisces (Jupiter)
Venus: 16 Cancer (Saturn)
Mars: 11 Pisces (Jupiter) Jupiter: 10 Sagittarius (Neptune)
Saturn: 17 Aquarius (Moon)
Uranus: 9 Libra (Pluto)
Neptune: 11 Pisces (Jupiter)
Pluto: 6 Capricorn (Venus) NN: 11 Pisces (Jupiter)
SN: 25 Sagittarius (Mercury) ASC: 11 Pisces (Jupiter)
DESC: 25 Sagittarius (Mercury) MC: 6 Capricorn (Venus)
IC: 5 Sagittarius (Mars) VX: 17 Aquarius (Moon)
AVX: 17 Cancer (SAturn) IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted March 21, 2013 04:20 PM
It makes me think of what is used on astro.com for the sign dipositor graph under pullen astrology.
In the end it gives which sign ruler is the most "dominant". Is it similar ?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 21, 2013 05:43 PM
Yes, it is similiar.Just that astro gives you the whole dispisitor chain to assess which planet might be the "boss" of the whole chart. In my case, using traditional rulerships, I have two different "chains". One with Jupiter at the head, ruling Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC etc.
The other with Moon and Saturn at the head ruling Moon, Venus and so on.
Using new rulerships I think I have a circle.
However I was just checking for the next direct dispositor instead of the whole chain.
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sweet-scorpion
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posted March 21, 2013 10:22 PM
Dispositors are pretty important... they represent serious underlying influences for planets, especially major luminaries like the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Mars. If you find that one planet is overwhelmingly present as a dispositor, and that the dispositor also falls in the sign of the planets which it disposits, I think it's likely a final dispositor of the entire chart... it will show where the person's life emphasis will be, their life themes, challenges, etc. Like for example, if you have a Scorp stellium and a 12H Pluto in Scorpio I believe Pluto would be a final dispositor, showing you're likely to have Plutonian themes throughout your life. Something interest I also feel is looking at what aspects the final dispositor is making. Like if you feel extremely sensual and have a Virgo Venus but it's disposited by a Mercury that is square Mars and conjunct Pluto, you're likely to feel subtle 'waves' and undercurrents like your Venus recieves the very subtle Mars sq. and Pluto conjunction effects as well. At least, this is true for me and my powerful Pluto chart dispositor, which trines Mars quite closely... it makes my Scorp Venus even more sensual/sexual and all about intimacy, for example. IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted March 21, 2013 11:18 PM
I see then.
Well everything in my chart, pluto aside, comes down to saturn. And if I use traditional ruler all of them would come down to pluto.sun, moon, mercury, dc: ruled by saturn: 15 cap
mars ruled by jupiter: 5 cancer
venus ruled by uranus: 5 cap
ac ruled by moon: 26 cap
mc ruled by mars: 8 sag
ic ruled by vensu: 6 aqua saturn is the "final" dispositor of my chart, and the most exact aspects it makes are an opposition to chiron, and a sextile to pluto. Maybe it's because of the aspects it makes but I feel way too overemotional for a predominantly earthy person ruled by saturn nonetheless. There are times when I really feel my fire singleton and feel like I rely heavily on my cancer ascendant (certainly to balance things out) I am also awful at organizing and such but well on the other hand I do have a lot of saturnine qualities (seriousness, defining rules etc..)
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Nine
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posted March 21, 2013 11:41 PM
Interesting. Shame, pity, anger, disappointment, banish.How would I untangle my Venus conjunct Mars in Taurus? Using this method, does it make my Mars accidentally dignified? IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted March 21, 2013 11:56 PM
Interesting thread and responses.I have a Cap sun and Leo Saturn in mutual reception. Then... Pisces moon
disposited by Sag Neptune
disposited by Jupiter Aries
disposited by Gemini Mars
disposited by Aqua Mercury
disposited by Scorpio Uranus
disposited by Libra Pluto
disposited by Sag Venus
disposited by Jupiter Aries Jupiter is in the 9H, the final dispositor for the chain, and almost exactly square my sun. Maybe I shouldn't just advertise this, it sounds like a recipe for disaster, even to me.  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 22, 2013 02:39 AM
Yes, I agree, looking for the final dispositor is important, especially for asessing the general importance of a certain planet in a chart.
In my case it is easy to see that Jupiter takes the cake. not only is he chartruler already, but dispositing Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC and NN.However, I was thinking a tiny bit different when starting this thread.
Just wanted to check the underlying influence of the dispositor in regards to EACH sign, and of course also using the degrees of the dispositor. it never before occured to me that the dispositor of my Venus (Saturn on 16 Cancer) is trine the dispositor of my Sun, mercury, Mars, ASC and Neptune (Jupiter on 11 Pisces). I am curious if the usual synastric aspects betweewn people will also come up in terms of dispositor aspecting each other. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 22, 2013 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
I see then.
Well everything in my chart, pluto aside, comes down to saturn. And if I use traditional ruler all of them would come down to pluto.
Using traditional rulers, Pluto doesnīt rule anything (traditional rulers exclude Uranus, neptune and Pluto). IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 22, 2013 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by Nine:
Interesting. Shame, pity, anger, disappointment, banish.How would I untangle my Venus conjunct Mars in Taurus? Using this method, does it make my Mars accidentally dignified?
No, a planet is accidentally dignified by its placement in certain houses (angular ones). But Venus disposits your mars,a nd being in in her own sign might be the final dispositor of your chart (or at least of one of the disp-chains). IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 22, 2013 02:45 AM
Faith,why does it sound like disaster to you? IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted March 22, 2013 02:49 AM
Chart ruler conjuncts the asc lol.
Moon ruler conjunct asc
Venus ruler conjunct asc
mercury ruler conjunct ascThats just boring.. I'm testing this on others! IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted March 22, 2013 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Using traditional rulers, Pluto doesnīt rule anything (traditional rulers exclude Uranus, neptune and Pluto).
oops I meant to say it will all come down to saturn, since traditionally scorpio is ruled by mars.
I hadn't thought about the aspects each planet dispositor makes with the other! It does add another layer to the chart dynamic.
How would you understand such aspects then?
For example what you mentionned about your own chart and the venus dispositor trining your sun, mercury, mars and ASC dispositor?
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Faith
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posted March 22, 2013 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Faith,why does it sound like disaster to you?
Hi Ceri, It sounds tense to me because it's like my chart is defined by my tight (1 degree orb) sun/Jupiter square, where the sun is reinforced by Saturn, but Jupiter is reinforced by everything else (it's my dominant planet.) I have a lot of inner turmoil and am very hard on myself. Also I have some big regrets as I have done things in Aries Jupiter fashion only to have my Cap sun curse myself for those decisions. Thanks for asking. Also, I can see this about you: quote:
I definitely can see how the Pisces dispositor tempers it a bit, and adds a dreamy and more quiet nuance to it.
 It's nice! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 22, 2013 05:19 PM
Uehaara,"It does add another layer to the chart dynamic. "
That was my idea. "
How would you understand such aspects then?"
Currently I understand them so that they show how the natal planets are expressed; or let`s put it differently, they give more details about how the planets are expressed. For example: of course two Sag Suns have similiarities, but it will make a difference where Jupiter falls.
Someone with Sag Sun and Jupiter in Aries might be VERY extrovert, brash, impulsive, outgoing, independent, etc. Someone with Sag Sun and Jupiter in Cancer on the other hand might express the Sag-typical traits in a more emotional, maybe also cautious way. more concerned with other people, than in the first case.
"For example what you mentionned about your own chart and the venus dispositor trining your sun, mercury, mars and ASC dispositor?"
It explains to me why there seems to be an unerlying harmony, even though my Sun and Venus are in such different signs (Sag and Cap). Through their dispositors they can talk to each other, and agree on the importance of an emotional connection, though of course my attitude to relationships is still much more conservative than I may come across generally.
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Ceridwen
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posted March 22, 2013 05:21 PM
Faith, thank you for the explanation. I couldnīt imagine how a Sun-Jupiter-square could be nasty. Even in squares Jupiter usually is very generous. WEll, that is actually the problem with his squares. Everything gets blown out of proportion. So I found it interesting to read your take on this. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 22, 2013 05:25 PM
my dispositor chart:
----------------------Sun: 11 Pisces
Moon: 1 Scorpio
Mercury: 11 Pisces
Venus: 17 Cancer
Mars: 11 Pisces
Jupiter: 10 Sag
Saturn: 17 Aquarius
Uranus: 9 Libra
Neptne: 11 Pisces
Pluto: 6 Cap
NN: 11 Pisces
SN: 25 Sag Vertex: 17 Aqua
Avx: 17 Cancer ASC: 11 Pisces
DESC: 25 Sag
MC: 6 Cap
IC: 5 Sag
his dispositor chart
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Sun: 10 Virgo
Moon: 10 Virgo
Mercury: 10 Virgo
Venus: 26 Virgo
Mars: 9 Sag
Jupiter: 9 Sag
Saturn: 9 Sag
Uranus: 21 Libra
Neptune: 10 Virgo
Pluto: 25 Cap NN: 9 Sag
SN: 20 Sag Vx: 9 Sag
Avx: 20 Sag ASC: 20 Sag
DESC: 9 Sag
MC: 10 Virgo
IC: 9 Sag IP: Logged | |
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