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FireMoon
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posted March 22, 2013 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects in synastry and/or composite would indicate this??? If any...

For anyone who's been on this forum long enough, we've all heard the narrative where you meet that person you feel you're "supposed" to be with.. But one or both of you may not be spiritually evolved enough at the time to make it happen in this lifetime

Maybe they (or you, or both) are with someone else at the time... Or for whatever reason someone runs, or isn't ready, or interested, or whatever the circumstances are.. someone is left knowing you missed out on something great that will probably never actually happen

Please, I would love to hear personal stories. I know there have been plenty of threads on this, but I'm interested primarily in the cases where you've felt you've met your twin flame, but it ends up being unrequited, or you can't actually be together for whatever reason...

And feel free to post your synastry and/or composites. The composite I have with the person I consider to be my "twin flame" is basically...a disaster lol. And I don't want this to get moved to personal readings but I will post it if enough people share theirs as well

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aquaguy91
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posted March 22, 2013 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a crap ton of saturn squares can make it impossible to be with someone, i know that much.

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FireMoon
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posted March 22, 2013 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ true that. For me we both had hard natal Sun/Saturn aspects.. But in composite we had the classic "love stellium" and all 3 planets squared by Saturn. Not to mention Neptune and Uranus. So not entirely realistic I suppose lol

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aquaguy91
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posted March 22, 2013 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah i'm sorry. but you gotta try to get it out of your mind and move on or you'll drive yourself crazy, i should know lol.

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FireMoon
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posted March 22, 2013 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw thanks aquaguy

You're right though, it's not that huge of a deal, my sun conjunct saturn in 7th takes failed relationships way too seriously sometimes lol

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aquaguy91
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posted March 22, 2013 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no problem. oh boy if you just had a clue about my record you would feel alot better about yourself.haha

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FireMoon
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posted March 22, 2013 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha yeah no worries, we're both young and still learning these things right

Plus we were born what.. 2 weeks apart?? So I'll always get where you're coming from and have your back homie lol

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posted March 22, 2013 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dont go getting all mushy on me now :P I'm an aqua my heart is ice cold.

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FireMoon
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posted March 22, 2013 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha well don't even worry, I'm an Aqua Venus and fire moon so I can throw that ice and indifference right back at you

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posted March 22, 2013 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you've been playing cat and mouse with me since you came on this forum, i'm gonna get you sooner or later . btw like the new pic you posted on the ascendant thread.

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FireMoon
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posted March 22, 2013 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well cat and mouse is a 5th house specialty (moon and pluto natally)

And awww shannks... Getting extremely bored with my current appearance (progressed moon and SR ascendant in Libra?) So thinking about changing things up a bit

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posted March 22, 2013 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i bet. and its working lol

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ueharaa
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posted March 22, 2013 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you mean unrequited as in 'not reciprocated" or as "impossible because of events"
As far as reciprocation is concerned, I think house overlays, house rulers aspects and aspects from the composite to the natal of each person can give an idea of who is more affected by the relationship and by the other more.
However I am not sure that the "impossible because of events" can be seen in synastry.
Sure hard saturn aspects are very difficult to overcome but since western astrology isn't deterministic and fatalistic there's no sure way to say "oh venus- saturn square? it won't work" and some couples do make it despite those awful aspects.
Maybe heavy north node oriented synastry charts could point to a relationship not working out easily because it requires growth and asks too much for both.

Now, I won't post any chart or anything though I thought some time ago that I did stumble on someone who was my "twinflame" but hey..I tried to detach myself from this concept. Because then the person becomes much more important to you than he/she already is and it makes things much more painful to feel that somehow you're meant to be together but no something in the universe plotted against you two and you're not...

I'd rather believe that everything happens for a reason and that well no matter how strongly I feel for someone if it's not meant to be then there must be a GOOD reason behind it that doesn't involve me paying back some karma I'm not aware of. I'm saying this as if it is an easy thing to do but it's not but it does make the situation easier to handle. Looking back I really think that this whole twinflame thing made things much more difficult for me than it should have been, when really in the end how can you be 100% sure you're twin flame

Either way this really had me thinking about how we are mostly the choices we make in the end (relationship wise). And how those prevail over anything else. If someone is married and ends up meeting someone he has an unbelievable connection with and he feels that person is his soulmate or even twinflame, it wouldn't really matter unless he chooses to leave everything he had behind to go with that person. I'm not saying the experience wouldn't change them regardless of how it ends or what he chooses. But still I believe his choice would say much about what is important to him.

edit: sorry I'm having issues lately trying to get my point across and expressing myself correctly. What I meant was that I became very skeptical about twin flames since it was always described as some failed relationship where one" runs away" where there is much suffering for the other who is ready. Often there are huge obstacles involved like one being in a relationship, kids etc.. After much thought, this to me really sound like the type of karmic relationship that is supposed to teach you something but not supposed to last. I still feel like twinflame and sometimes soulmates should be meant to be, in that somehow life will give them opportunities (and most often, more than once) to make things work. I don't really understand the whole "you meet each other, you're right for each other but life decided differently"

And I just realized I wasn't being helpful at all and not answering your initial subject. I apologize for this.

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Got Gemini??
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posted March 22, 2013 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe in the labels. I believe that there is one person that affects you more than any other person and then there is everyone else. I just call her the love of my life.

Though Miss Scorpio and I have a emotional and physical relationship, we are not a couple. I don't know if we ever will be one either. If we do, it will probably be much later like 6-10 years down the road.

I've loved her since the moment I met her back in 1988.

Here are the synastry and composite. Keep in mind I don't know her birth time (I keep forgetting to ask!). Even though I have a really good idea of two risings for her, I used 12pm for her.



I mentioned to Ceri in another thread that her Venus/Neptune is 2 degrees apart, I remembered wrong, its 4 degrees and my Neptune is on the midpoint, two degrees from her Venus.

Look at all that hard Saturn in the Synastry :-( The good thing is, the negative side of these aspects haven't shown their ugly face between us. I think their only manifestation is been us waiting so long to "get together."

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Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

And yes, I'm a guy!

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ueharaa
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posted March 22, 2013 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you're the one on the inside right? so your asc is very tightly conjunct her north node. No wonder you feel like you do then. Is it the most exact aspect between the two of you?

Seeing as you have nodal aspects, have you ever drawn the draconic chart?
Sorry for all those questions I just find it uncanny how angle/angle or angle/axis aspects seem to always be present in meaningful relationships.

You do have a double whammy of saturn-sun square. But then again it is said to be one of the most common aspect between long term partners.
You also have a moon-pluto-venus conjunction in the composite !

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posted March 22, 2013 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ueharaa:
you're the one on the inside right? so your asc is very tightly conjunct her north node. No wonder you feel like you do then. Is it the most exact aspect between the two of you?

I think its one of the exact aspects we have. I think her Saturn is square my Sun exact also.

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Seeing as you have nodal aspects, have you ever drawn the draconic chart?
Sorry for all those questions I just find it uncanny how angle/angle or angle/axis aspects seem to always be present in meaningful relationships.

I haven't looked at our draco charts in years lol. I'm still trying to figure out the synastry lol! And no problem @ all the questions, ask away :-)

What would I look for in the draco?

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You do have a double whammy of saturn-sun square. But then again it is said to be one of the most common aspect between long term partners.
You also have a moon-pluto-venus conjunction in the composite !

I def feel the Moon/Venus/Pluto in the composite!

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posted March 22, 2013 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emsie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FireMoon:
Please, I would love to hear personal stories. I know there have been plenty of threads on this, but I'm interested primarily in the cases where you've felt you've met your twin flame, but it ends up being unrequited, or you can't actually be together for whatever reason...

I just recovered from a serious heartbreak. I think I met my TF, but circumstances interfered... And I wasn't even ready for it, really caught me by surprise! He was my teacher, but there were misunderstandings and poor emotional communication from my side.

From the beginning I've always felt really intense energies, even when I got near to the college. The attraction was so intense that I could barely eat for days!

Then, the hard times came. He accepted a job at another school... And the whole love thing ended there. The pain I felt totally changed me, there were times when I really hated him for leaving me behind just like that, but I had to stop hating, because I didn't want to waste my energy.

Maybe next lifetime I'll be ready... finally.

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posted March 22, 2013 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I felt like I was supposed to be with my ex..

AC/DC conjunction exact
My Venus on his South node
My Vertex conjunct his North Node
His Saturn, Pluto, and mars square my Venus
Venus conjunct Venus
His Sun conjunct my Sun/Moon midpoint
Pluto square Venus double whammy
Plus lots of other aspects...

The Saturn/VEnus square really f*cked things ups. Religious/cultural differences were the cause of our demise. He has Venus square Saturn natally, and unrequited love has been a theme in his life. The South node played a role, as well.

And yes, I agree that people can work through these aspects.

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posted March 22, 2013 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I haven't looked at our draco charts in years lol. I'm still trying to figure out the synastry lol! And no problem @ all the questions, ask away :-)

What would I look for in the draco?


Yes you're right about taking it one step at a time when it comes to reading chart. I tend to get eager and want to look at all the aspect possible on every plane and then end up getting just more confused than before.
This aside, I like looking at the draco synastry to see what type of aspects there are and if they aspect the tropical or not. That's just me though, but I feel like if the tropical is the actual manifestation of two persons interaction, the draconic seems to say a lot about their interaction on a subconscious, gut level.

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I think its one of the exact aspects we have. I think her Saturn is square my Sun exact also.

Well nodal aspects are always felt strongly. And exact aspects in synastry are very significant. With your desc on her south node, one could easily guess that being partners come very easily. Those who believe in past lives see those links as an indication of a past life relationship. Nodes aspects are tricky though because if it's easy on one side, it is extremely scary on the other. But since she has jupiter on her north node already she might already be on its path.
Your moons are probably conjunct too. Since the moon is the fastest luminary, I think the conjunction, and even just having both moon in the same sign as highly significant. I haven't experienced this though so I can't really explain how it would feel like but I'd guess there would be an inner understanding of each other's need.
The woman's saturn square the man's sun is said to ground the relationship. You also have it the other way but saturn is your 5th house ruler so it certainly factors in.
You also have neptune aspects. I am not familiar with them. I honestly don't understand neptune at all. All I could find on neptune was how it creates illusions, and rose colored glasses and then you're very likely to get deceived. The upside is solely described as spiritual. Your sun opposes her neptune and her venus conjunct yours and those seem to be rather tight aspects. Do you dream of her and feel like you can interact with her in them?

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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
I def feel the Moon/Venus/Pluto in the composite!


Yes, RunAroundScreaming ha a thread explaining composite aspects and it's really great and definitely right on point. She explains how important hard moon-venus aspects are in the composite, along with love stellium and pluto aspecting those.
You do have a sun conjunct saturn but a conjunction is still a hundred times better in composite than a square. Does the sun/saturn conjunction in the composite sits on your ac/nn conjunction in synastry?

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posted March 22, 2013 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Got Gemini??:

Though Miss Scorpio and I have a emotional and physical relationship, we are not a couple.


wow...
are you still married or at least, in the divorce process?
and...isnt miss scorpio with someone already? she is still with her boyfriend/husband?

i dont mean to offend...but, i just hope that there is a realistic basis behind 'all of this'...
and...that this is not a story of two folks who are not satisfied with their own relationships...
and are seeking each other out...as a way to compensate for that lack in their own relationships...
but then...when the time comes for a monogamous relationship to happen (as in, you and miss scorpio being single and getting together and no third wheel), there will be nothing that holds both of you together...
do you understand?
i hope that there is 'true' behind you and miss scorpio...

and as a scorp myself...i cant help but find it uncomfortable/unreliable that she would be two-timing you and her partner...(if she is still with her boyfriend, i may be wrong.)

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posted March 22, 2013 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hikoro:
wow...
are you still married or at least, in the divorce process?
and...isnt miss scorpio with someone already? she is still with her boyfriend/husband?

i dont mean to offend...but, i just hope that there is a realistic basis behind 'all of this'...
and...that this is not a story of two folks who are not satisfied with their own relationships...
and are seeking each other out...as a way to compensate for that lack in their own relationships...
but then...when the time comes for a monogamous relationship to happen (as in, you and miss scorpio being single and getting together and no third wheel), there will be nothing that holds both of you together...
do you understand?
i hope that there is 'true' behind you and miss scorpio...

and as a scorp myself...i cant help but find it uncomfortable/unreliable that she would be two-timing you and her partner...(if she is still with her boyfriend, i may be wrong.)


The thing is, it is bounded in truth. I'very already moved out of my house and am beginning the divorce process. I am in a phase in my life where I must start over so to speak. She is going through something similar. She has already told me that she intends on leaving her husband when her youngest daughter is old enough to understand that they must move on. Whether or not she and I get together when she does leave him, I have no idea and I'm not holding my breath either. I am totally content on the way things are now. I'm in no position to start a new relationship. I was just happy to know she felt the same way about me as I did her. That is truly enough for me.

I'm still gonna see other women until she is ready though, that much I told her.

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posted March 23, 2013 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ueharaa:
Yes you're right about taking it one step at a time when it comes to reading chart. I tend to get eager and want to look at all the aspect possible on every plane and then end up getting just more confused than before.
This aside, I like looking at the draco synastry to see what type of aspects there are and if they aspect the tropical or not. That's just me though, but I feel like if the tropical is the actual manifestation of two persons interaction, the draconic seems to say a lot about their interaction on a subconscious, gut level.

I like that concept! I'm going to take a look at our dracos later today. Ceri got me into the draco charts a few years ago but I never fully got into them because I was still learning our synastry and didn't want to confuse myself.

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Well nodal aspects are always felt strongly. And exact aspects in synastry are very significant. With your desc on her south node, one could easily guess that being partners come very easily. Those who believe in past lives see those links as an indication of a past life relationship. Nodes aspects are tricky though because if it's easy on one side, it is extremely scary on the other. But since she has jupiter on her north node already she might already be on its path.

I hope she's on the path to being with me lolol!

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Your moons are probably conjunct too. Since the moon is the fastest luminary, I think the conjunction, and even just having both moon in the same sign as highly significant. I haven't experienced this though so I can't really explain how it would feel like but I'd guess there would be an inner understanding of each other's need.

I think our Moons are very close too. When we are together, I get the sense that we are on the same page emotionally. There have been times when we both reacted the exact same way at the exact same time to something said or done.

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The woman's saturn square the man's sun is said to ground the relationship. You also have it the other way but saturn is your 5th house ruler so it certainly factors in.

So far the negative side of Saturn hasn't reared its ugly head between us other than in keeping us apart as a couple. I learn about the Saturn effects and try to work around them. The hard part will be still feeling internally that I should criticize or judge her and stopping myself from doing so.

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You also have neptune aspects. I am not familiar with them. I honestly don't understand neptune at all. All I could find on neptune was how it creates illusions, and rose colored glasses and then you're very likely to get deceived. The upside is solely described as spiritual. Your sun opposes her neptune and her venus conjunct yours and those seem to be rather tight aspects. Do you dream of her and feel like you can interact with her in them?

I read somewhere that Neptune is the higher octave of Venus and when those two planets aspect each other harmoniously, then you treat Neptune as a benefic. With her, I'm always sure to see her as she is, flaws and all. I make it a point not to project anything onto her.

Regarding dreams, I dream of her what seems like all the time. All my most powerful dreams are of her, and yes, I fell like I interact with her in some of them.

Venus Neptune conjunct feels like Moon Venus conjunct but with a super thick layer of dreamy and other worldly love mixed into it. If I must use labels, I do feel like she is my twinflame. I've felt like that looooong before I knew anything about astrology. So when I read that Venus conjunct Neptune gives that soulmate/twin love feeling, I wasn't surprised.

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Yes, RunAroundScreaming ha a thread explaining composite aspects and it's really great and definitely right on point. She explains how important hard moon-venus aspects are in the composite, along with love stellium and pluto aspecting those.
You do have a sun conjunct saturn but a conjunction is still a hundred times better in composite than a square. Does the sun/saturn conjunction in the composite sits on your ac/nn conjunction in synastry?

Yes, the Sun Saturn conjunction does sit on our AC/NN conjunction. What's your take on that?

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posted March 25, 2013 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to this thread...

@ueharaa, please don't apologize, what you wrote makes a lot of sense and was actually very helpful!! I guess I'm just still trying to make sense of the situation and have been really hung up on feeling like it's somehow my fault and therefore difficult to move on, so everything you wrote is pretty much exactly what I needed to hear

And as far as it not being reciprocated vs. external events, it was a bit of both I guess. It always seemed like one of us was doing the pursuing while the other was being evasive. And between dating other people, living in different states, etc. it just never worked out. But when it came down to it once we did have a legit chance to be together (something I never thought would happen) he strung me along but ultimately I wanted it and he didn't... He's dating someone new now and his main explanation to me was "we're both on separate paths right now", which really got under my skin, because I do respect him and his opinion of me, maybe a little too much lol. (definitely part of the problem, he can see through me and my insecurities in a way no one else ever has, which made for an intense and surreal feeling connection, but was also very unnerving, and once he started doubting me I think I trusted him more than myself and it just became a self-fulfilling prophecy.. hence the whole needing to be fully "evolved" thing, something I am nowhere near close to.)

Anyway this has been going on for years, and right now I just look stupid and pathetic, but I think it's time to finally move on for good and not look back even if the tables ever turned in the future...

I won't post the charts but just a few aspects in synastry:
His Saturn conjunct my Sun exact
His NN conjunct my Venus (my 5th house ruler)
His Sun and Jupiter conjunct my SN and Chiron in my 1st house
Composite Venus conjunct his natal Moon
Composite Moon and NN conjunct my natal Venus

@GotGemini??, thanks for posting your charts!! I can definitely see how there would be strong attraction.. Her Juno conjunct your Venus, she sees you as marriage material or vice-versa. Mars conjunct mars (out of sign but still) would be nice, plus your Saturn conjunct her mars is binding. And moon conjunct moon, I have this with someone, and it is yeah basically an effortless understanding of each other... Plus throw pluto in there and I'm sure it's intense. Anyway I'm not great at synastry, but also definitely agree with what ueheraa was saying about nodal contacts..

@Emise, sorry you are going through that That is not a fun feeling, but seems like you have a mature perspective on it and I'm sure will be able to move on to something better!

@starfairy, those aspects sound intense!! A lot going on with your nodes... But yeah Saturn can be a b*tch lol

Anyway thanks to everyone for posting your replies


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