posted March 26, 2013 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Arguing over something doesn't necessarily have to be personal. My post was related to the fact that cancers often use the victim card when they feel they are losing an argument. The cancers I know will end up twisting the words and make it sound like you are insulting themthem.My mum is a great example and she does it so well.

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yes, i kind of know what you mean. i'm more saying it's probably the same thing from two different points of view - they want you to care, from their perspective (i'm thinking) and from the others it's manipulation.

i'm thinking it's possibly that way because the description of cancers being centered on feelings reminded me of an infp description .. that infp's care more about how they feel than who is right. as an infp, it really made me think how skewed my thinking can be in terms of if i argue it's because i think the other doesn't care about either me or the subject. (i do counter-balance it with uranus detachment too but between the two modes feel really de-centered sometimes).

don't know who are good arguers but i like arguing with geminis and leos because they seem very fair to me, don't seem to resort to personal attacks & appear less ego invested. doesn't sound like leo i suppose but that's my experience with one, who just is an amazing mediator and at turning opponents into being their biggest advocate.

posted March 26, 2013 02:43 PM            

I think it depends on what’s being debated.
If we’re debating the best way to build something, then that’s one story. The things we’re discussing are more or less concrete and based on the generally known properties. I’m not going to argue that gravity isn’t real or that the Earth doesn’t rotate based on my or anyone’s emotions.

posted March 26, 2013 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by CherryVodka:
Well, I WAS the underdog and still am in many ways.

I was picked on in High School, and hold a contempt for anyone I see making others sad.

I won't hesitate to ruin these people's lives who are causing it though.

Weird because I am sensitive and easily hurt, but I will kill myself in a fight before I let them.

The clash is because Mars says F that man! These people need a taste of their own medicine but Neptune has kindness for all mankind and believes we are all in effect to one another.

I'm still very conflicted with this, do you feel this way or no?

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No, I wasn't the underdog, not at school, not in college..nope. At school, I was the nerd that everybody didn't even notice. When I was in college,still a nerd lol..am still a nerd btw...now that I think of it, I was never picked at, or taunted or anything of that sort of thing..

Despite the fact that I'm a very dominant person,I won't use my power to oppress others.There is zero efficiency when people feel oppressed. I wouldn't want someone to oppress me so I won't do it to others.I'd rather use my powers to make others respect me enough to allow me to lead.There are honorable ways to do that. There is this saying by Theodore Roosevelt :''People ask the difference between a leader and a boss.The leader leads, and the boss drives.''

posted March 26, 2013 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
yes, i kind of know what you mean. i'm more saying it's probably the same thing from two different points of view - they want you to care, from their perspective (i'm thinking) and from the others it's manipulation.

i'm thinking it's possibly that way because the description of cancers being centered on feelings reminded me of an infp description .. that infp's care more about how they feel than who is right. as an infp, it really made me think how skewed my thinking can be in terms of if i argue it's because i think the other doesn't care about either me or the subject. (i do counter-balance it with uranus detachment too but between the two modes feel really de-centered sometimes).

don't know who are good arguers but i like arguing with geminis and leos because they seem very fair to me, don't seem to resort to personal attacks & appear less ego invested. doesn't sound like leo i suppose but that's my experience with one, who just is an amazing mediator and at turning opponents into being their biggest advocate.

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Exactly.

Cancers think when you don't agree with their opinions,it means that you don't care about them.

seriously, I fail to see how caring about them has anything to do with not sharing their opinions!

posted March 26, 2013 03:17 PM              

I have zero sympathy for someone going around making other people feel bad, they don't deserve it. Everyone says that we all have to change and treat others how we want to be treated, well I'm sorry but look where it's gotten us, bullying is at an all time high right now in schools.

Eh whatever, I'm getting a little upset with how indifferent everyone is with this stuff now a days.

I feel like I'm the only person who sees things how they are.

posted March 26, 2013 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by CherryVodka:
Well, in my life I'd tried to be reasonable a lot with people actually but they take advantage, so today I'm more eye for an eye type of person.

I have zero sympathy for someone going around making other people feel bad, they don't deserve it. Everyone says that we all have to change and treat others how we want to be treated, well I'm sorry but look where it's gotten us, bullying is at an all time high right now in schools.

Eh whatever, I'm getting a little upset with how indifferent everyone is with this stuff now a days.

I feel like I'm the only person who sees things how they are.

You can't have only politically correctness all the time, there needs to be a balance of realness and consideration.

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posted March 26, 2013 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Exactly.

Cancers think when you don't agree with their opinions,it means that you don't care about them.

seriously, I fail to see how caring about them has anything to do with not sharing their opinions!

That's the MAIN reason why I stay clear from any sort of argument with cancers.

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posted March 26, 2013 05:48 PM            

If we're talking Suns...hmmm...

posted March 27, 2013 12:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Moon_girl:

If you're staying clear of arguments with Cancerians aren't they technically still winning (by default)? :-)

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posted May 23, 2016 05:10 AM            

How They Win
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The Fixed Signs ( Leo, Aquarius, Scorpio, Taurus) = Can win by stamina, focus and not giving in.

Cardinal Signs (Capricorn, Cancer, Aries, Libra) = Can win via working hard on researching how to win the argument, say case studies or the outcome of similar debates.

Mutable Signs (Gemini, Sag, Virgo, Pisces)
Can win by being flexible enough to see loop holes and ways around key points.

How They Can Loose.
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Fixed Signs are notoriously stubborn, so they could be defending an outdated view or idea, while everyone has moved on. For example Racism, Women and Gender isues and etc.

This can cost them there argument if other people are brought in and they are sean as from the past.

Cardinal Signs can end up becoming exhausted defending a hard case.

posted May 23, 2016 06:05 AM            

My Scorpio Mom is brutal (Sun, Moon and Mercury Scorpio sq. Leo Pluto) :-/. She'll shut a person DOWN with an axe right into heart and soul.

My Aries husband will either:

A: say whatever words he can come up with and it doesn't matter if they are out of context or

B: walk off mid-sentence to prove some point or

C: throw something

My Cancer Moon, Asc step daughter will manipulate through crying or lie and say that she's in pain to get attention.

posted June 01, 2016 06:33 PM            

This is my narc ex.