posted March 31, 2013 09:00 PM            

astrological study recognizes the long held concept of element aligned gender, not planetary.

Water and Earth are the collective signs of the feminine energy -

Fire and Air are the collective signs of the masculine energy -

This has to do with almost universal concepts on divine beings.

In most cultures around the world (European being the most significant for the creation of Western astrology), female goddesses ruled the Waters (fresh/notalwayssalt) and Crops (Earth) representing purity, fertility, healing, and birth.

The planetary bodies are a different matter altogether.

In fact, in several of the earliest mythologies all celestial bodies (stars) were given to masculine deities, (and in quite a few of those the order was reversed, sky/air was feminine, and the sun was also sometimes feminine). That includes the Moon. Sin/Nanna, Kaskah/Kusah/Khonsu, Tecciztecatl, Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, Mani, and Chandra.

Female deities given rule of the moon are simply more recognized today with influence of Greco-Romans and neo-movements. (FTR - Greeks were fairly consistent in belief that the lunar deity was female, while many other deities were swapped in and out with ruling parties/conquering region/nations - the moon was dominantly ruled by female beings.)

Now there are many female moon deities - and good reason for the Moon to represent the "woman" - and you brought up one of the best, the moon representing the cycle of womanhood. Which is perfect parallel with Saturn who also rules the cycle of life, and was a vegetation/fertility (Earth) god in his earliest form. (which is opposite of the general rule itself, male earth god)

Which is why planets aren't used to designate gender in astrology. Libra isn't a feminine sign because of Venus, but it is a masculine sign because it is air. ~hope you can follow this.

Water signs are all extremely feminine at their core, regardless of planetary ruler.
Same for Earth. (Capricorn is feminine not masculine, not because of Saturn but because it is Earth). It's not that the people of the sign are feminine or masculine either - this is a misconception - it is those energies in those people, what they are tied to/concerned with by their planet in that sign - that is either feminine or masculine - not their being or their style/act... no.

Astrology shouldn't focus on labeling any sign "most" this or that~ and for centuries it hasn't. That's more of a modern nuisance.

In truth each sign has a masculine and feminine side, between element and ruler there is balance. Astrology wasn't built on gender roles, the concepts of masculine and feminine are there only to help distinguish yin/yang polarity to highlight the source, amount, and balance of the two energies in a chart.

Despite some ancients believing the Earth was "flat" or "center" of everything - ancient sages, the wisemen and wisewomen knew many things more than they are are given credit for, more than a few understood that the Sun was the center, and most of them knew the world was never flat. They also knew the Moon's light was borrowed from the Sun, this is why in many traditions the Sun and Moon deities are siblings, they share the light... the light itself, and the sky, and waters - were all represented according to shared nature... the skies and the seas shared the water, they are often siblings... between those pairings many pantheons were born.

For the topic though - ^^; sorry if I derailed... <3

some of the most girly/womenly/feminine women and men I know are Tauruses... it's not that I think they are more though! lol g---no...
It's not wrong that they do show their strong feminine energy outwardly - they are pretty Earthy after all! lol

And, just between us here...

I don't know the last time any of my Cancer/Pisces girlfriends wore a dress! lol makeup, sure... girl talk(can I call it that yet?) lol sure... but outwardly behaving "girly"... nah... they're tough as nuts.
It's all kinda silly though - looking at them that way. XD (Guess I just don't get wrapped up in those things so much!) lmao

posted March 31, 2013 09:15 PM            

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KarkaQueen: Your idea of femininity seems to be just dressing pretty and looking nice, but that goes deeper than that too.

Other astrologers said that, I learned from them. do you want to call them stupid, too?

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What is femininity to you? To me, part of it is dressing pretty and looking nice, but feminine behaviour is a specific behaviour to me. There is no most or less or a list, it's just either you are or you are not - gender norms are so one dimensional.

The "most feminine" girl I know is a Libra with Virgo Moon, lots of Scorpio, and no fire or air aside from her Sun. She's shy, she's blushing, sweet, gentle, and most of all, submissive and passive. That's feminine behaviour to me. Cancers are none of that, except maybe passive.

posted March 31, 2013 09:16 PM              

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
What is femininity to you? To me, part of it is dressing pretty and looking nice, but feminine behaviour is a specific behaviour to me. There is no most or less or a list, it's just either you are or you are not.

The most feminine girl I know is a Libra with Virgo Moon, lots of Scorpio, and no fire or air aside from her Sun. She's shy, she's blushing, sweet, gentle, and most of all, submissive and passive. That's feminine behaviour to me. Cancers are none of that, except maybe passive.

Also, [b]I did not call you or anyone stupid. But do you want me too? Putting words in my mouth is one of the easiest ways to tick anyone off, especially me.[/B]

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My Cancer Sun and Moon sister is like that, she has Virgo Mars and Virgo Ascendant.

posted March 31, 2013 09:18 PM              

And Moon in 1st with Cancer Venus and Mars too, again.

I notice Cancerian/Virgo girls to be like this.

posted March 31, 2013 09:22 PM              

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
I don't recognize any sign as "most" feminine or "most masculine" -

astrological study recognizes the long held concept of element aligned gender, not planetary.

Water and Earth are the collective signs of the feminine energy -

Fire and Air are the collective signs of the masculine energy -

This has to do with almost universal concepts on divine beings.

In most cultures around the world (European being the most significant for the creation of Western astrology), female goddesses ruled the Waters (fresh/notalwayssalt) and Crops (Earth) representing purity, fertility, healing, and birth.

The planetary bodies are a different matter altogether.

In fact, in several of the earliest mythologies all celestial bodies (stars) were given to masculine deities, (and in quite a few of those the order was reversed, sky/air was feminine, and the sun was also sometimes feminine). That includes the Moon. Sin/Nanna, Kaskah/Kusah/Khonsu, Tecciztecatl, Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, Mani, and Chandra.

Female deities given rule of the moon are simply more recognized today with influence of Greco-Romans and neo-movements. (FTR - Greeks were fairly consistent in belief that the lunar deity was female, while many other deities were swapped in and out with ruling parties/conquering region/nations - the moon was dominantly ruled by female beings.)

Now there are many female moon deities - and good reason for the Moon to represent the "woman" - and you brought up one of the best, the moon representing the cycle of womanhood. Which is perfect parallel with Saturn who also rules the cycle of life, and was a vegetation/fertility (Earth) god in his earliest form. (which is opposite of the general rule itself, male earth god)

Which is why planets aren't used to designate gender in astrology. Libra isn't a feminine sign because of Venus, but it is a masculine sign because it is air. ~hope you can follow this.

Water signs are all extremely feminine at their core, regardless of planetary ruler.
Same for Earth. (Capricorn is feminine not masculine, not because of Saturn but because it is Earth). It's not that the people of the sign are feminine or masculine either - this is a misconception - it is those energies in those people, what they are tied to/concerned with by their planet in that sign - that is either feminine or masculine - not their being or their style/act... no.

Astrology shouldn't focus on labeling any sign "most" this or that~ and for centuries it hasn't. That's more of a modern nuisance.

In truth each sign has a masculine and feminine side, between element and ruler there is balance. Astrology wasn't built on gender roles, the concepts of masculine and feminine are there only to help distinguish yin/yang polarity to highlight the source, amount, and balance of the two energies in a chart.

Despite some ancients believing the Earth was "flat" or "center" of everything - ancient sages, the wisemen and wisewomen knew many things more than they are are given credit for, more than a few understood that the Sun was the center, and most of them knew the world was never flat. They also knew the Moon's light was borrowed from the Sun, this is why in many traditions the Sun and Moon deities are siblings, they share the light... the light itself, and the sky, and waters - were all represented according to shared nature... the skies and the seas shared the water, they are often siblings... between those pairings many pantheons were born.

For the topic though - ^^; sorry if I derailed... <3

some of the most girly/womenly/feminine women [b]and men I know are Tauruses... it's not that I think they are more though! lol g---no...
It's not wrong that they do show their strong feminine energy outwardly - they are pretty Earthy after all! lol

And, just between us here...

I don't know the last time any of my Cancer/Pisces girlfriends wore a dress! lol makeup, sure... girl talk(can I call it that yet?) lol sure... but outwardly behaving "girly"... nah... they're tough as nuts.
It's all kinda silly though - looking at them that way. XD (Guess I just don't get wrapped up in those things so much!) lmao

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Very cool informative info ^_^

Saturn and Moon are opposites, I was being ignorant and you shed some light on me about that. lol. I'm narrow-minded sometimes.

btw, what is your moon and sun? You come across as really nice and sensitive.

posted March 31, 2013 09:25 PM            

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Calm down, I can tell you have a strong fire from your words. -_-

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Good good! I certainly do have some fire in me.

I think it's all the various shades to a sign. One Cancer girl I know is athletic, a wrestler, she's assertive in conversation...but that doesn't strike me as either masculine or feminine, which like I said are specific behaviours to me.

I think you'd do better to stop thinking of things in terms of masculine and feminine, and to realise each sign has it's own specific energy. I'll make an example of the lovely ladies who commented...

amowls, ail, and Moth are all feminine in their own ways, and I think it would be both unfair to them and to their astrology to try and rank one of them as most feminine. The same applies to Cancer and Pisces, or Aries, Capricorn, or any of the other signs.

posted March 31, 2013 09:32 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
because Cancer is ruled by the moon and the moon phases change and it reflects a womans period and mood, thus why cancerians and the sign is moody and tempermental. thats not masculine at all o_o

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posted April 01, 2013 04:16 AM            

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Originally posted by CherryVodka:

Pisces ruled by neptune, radiating smile, big pools of emotion in their eyes, very forgiving when Neptune is involved, a damsel in distress, is she aware of how close she is to getting burned? That's the great mystery of Pisces and Neptune.. are they aware? Are they just swimming around giggling at us material people who can't be so youthful and loving.

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CherryVodka, I WISH I could be this Piscean character you speak of.....swimming around giggling at people, life would be so much more enjoyable. You're right about the first half though - I've always had people comment on my eyes, I cant hide a single emotion. And I am a forgiving person - too much so, often to my detriment.

posted April 01, 2013 04:27 AM              

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Originally posted by Maelstrom:
CherryVodka, I WISH I could be this Piscean character you speak of.....life would be so much more enjoyable.

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posted April 01, 2013 04:30 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
sounds like my Neptune conjunct ASC and Opposite Sun aspect
and the Neptune sq Saturn too

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whoops, I just edited that quote

posted April 08, 2022 04:37 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
I don't recognize any sign as "most" feminine or "most masculine" -

astrological study recognizes the long held concept of element aligned gender, not planetary.

Water and Earth are the collective signs of the feminine energy -

Fire and Air are the collective signs of the masculine energy -

This has to do with almost universal concepts on divine beings.

In most cultures around the world (European being the most significant for the creation of Western astrology), female goddesses ruled the Waters (fresh/notalwayssalt) and Crops (Earth) representing purity, fertility, healing, and birth.

The planetary bodies are a different matter altogether.

In fact, in several of the earliest mythologies all celestial bodies (stars) were given to masculine deities, (and in quite a few of those the order was reversed, sky/air was feminine, and the sun was also sometimes feminine). That includes the Moon. Sin/Nanna, Kaskah/Kusah/Khonsu, Tecciztecatl, Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, Mani, and Chandra.

Female deities given rule of the moon are simply more recognized today with influence of Greco-Romans and neo-movements. (FTR - Greeks were fairly consistent in belief that the lunar deity was female, while many other deities were swapped in and out with ruling parties/conquering region/nations - the moon was dominantly ruled by female beings.)

Now there are many female moon deities - and good reason for the Moon to represent the "woman" - and you brought up one of the best, the moon representing the cycle of womanhood. Which is perfect parallel with Saturn who also rules the cycle of life, and was a vegetation/fertility (Earth) god in his earliest form. (which is opposite of the general rule itself, male earth god)

Which is why planets aren't used to designate gender in astrology. Libra isn't a feminine sign because of Venus, but it is a masculine sign because it is air. ~hope you can follow this.

Water signs are all extremely feminine at their core, regardless of planetary ruler.
Same for Earth. (Capricorn is feminine not masculine, not because of Saturn but because it is Earth). It's not that the people of the sign are feminine or masculine either - this is a misconception - it is those energies in those people, what they are tied to/concerned with by their planet in that sign - that is either feminine or masculine - not their being or their style/act... no.

Astrology shouldn't focus on labeling any sign "most" this or that~ and for centuries it hasn't. That's more of a modern nuisance.

In truth each sign has a masculine and feminine side, between element and ruler there is balance. Astrology wasn't built on gender roles, the concepts of masculine and feminine are there only to help distinguish yin/yang polarity to highlight the source, amount, and balance of the two energies in a chart.

Despite some ancients believing the Earth was "flat" or "center" of everything - ancient sages, the wisemen and wisewomen knew many things more than they are are given credit for, more than a few understood that the Sun was the center, and most of them knew the world was never flat. They also knew the Moon's light was borrowed from the Sun, this is why in many traditions the Sun and Moon deities are siblings, they share the light... the light itself, and the sky, and waters - were all represented according to shared nature... the skies and the seas shared the water, they are often siblings... between those pairings many pantheons were born.

For the topic though - ^^; sorry if I derailed... <3

some of the most girly/womenly/feminine women [b]and men I know are Tauruses... it's not that I think they are more though! lol g---no...
It's not wrong that they do show their strong feminine energy outwardly - they are pretty Earthy after all! lol

And, just between us here...

I don't know the last time any of my Cancer/Pisces girlfriends wore a dress! lol makeup, sure... girl talk(can I call it that yet?) lol sure... but outwardly behaving "girly"... nah... they're tough as nuts.
It's all kinda silly though - looking at them that way. XD (Guess I just don't get wrapped up in those things so much!) lmao

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posted April 08, 2022 05:13 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
I think it depends on the definition of feminine/masculine. Women of both signs I know are quite assertive and idependent, but that is partly because I like to surround myself with people like that. Generally I'd say Cancer energy is very protective, somewhat "drama seeking" and passionate. Pisces energy is otherwordly, flowing and elusive. They vanish when they are done with something or someone. They are mutable water and the best at adapting to chaning circumstances.

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