posted April 02, 2013 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Just out of curiosity, what agenda are these celebrities used for? Is this finding the most auspicious placements so as to pick the right people to maximize profits? Best bread & circus? Or something sinister (which would be what?)?

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Yes, they want to sell you bread. (deadpan)

Side note - ridiculing something and proving it's false with legitimate evidence, are two different things entirely. You just did the former.

posted April 02, 2013 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
50 Cent is a Cancer wut

Hmm good point. I don't really pay attention to pop culture though

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posted April 02, 2013 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Vradec:
As a musician and producer myself, I would say that there is quite a lot of darkness within the music industry. Even a lot of small artists that I know in the local scene say they have tried some occult rituals to literally 'sell their soul' for more talent and fame. It wouldn't surprise me if bigger artists had tried it.

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And people deny it but I wonder is it groupthink that makes them do it or is the group itself that initiates the action? Ya know?

posted April 02, 2013 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Snorkel:
Yes, they want to sell you bread. (deadpan)

Side note - ridiculing something and proving it's false with legitimate evidence, are two different things entirely. You just did the former.

You have the right to believe anything you want by all means, but it also helps a lot where others are concerned if you have the decency to express your disagreement with a certain amount of respect for the other party.

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Actually it was an honest question (ETA: I don't think you know what bread & circuses mean, so follow the link for an explanation; I was asking if they were intended as a distraction and/or "opiate of the masses," not as in to literally "sell bread"). I'd like to have a CLEAR explanation which I have yet to receive from anyone promoting the ideas as in this thread. I gave you a chance to explain it clearly and you blew it.

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Originally posted by starfairy:

Anyone who knows more about the Illuminati can correct me: These celebs apparently sold their souls (to the Devil, literally) for fame and fortune. The Illuminati apparently uses them to control the masses and whatnot. Apparently, these celebrities use symbols to corrupt us and take us away from god and towards the devil. All this is done to establish the new world order, a universal government headed by the anti-Christ.

My ex was obsessed with this **** , and I heard about it all day. He literally thought the anti-Christ would take over and kill millions of people.

Totally off-topic, but some Illuminati theories are soooo sexist! I know quite a few people who are majorly into the Illuminati, and their views on Feminism are really disturbing (i.e. women shouldn't have careers because it goes against nature)

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Thanks. And I've noticed the same thing, from being what you'd expect religious conservatives to say (and often contradictory) to not saying how the masses are being manipulated, it's often not even coherent (rather books and vids just expect one to freak out over a sign or something). It's ironic how many will worry about some sexual sublimininal (which is almost always fictional anyway) but ignore the BLATANT sexual bit, too (that is they not only see that which does not exist, they fail to see what everyone else notices). Sometimes I feel like Alice in Wonderland.

If you read up on The Satanic Panics (granted, there were other factions besides the Christian Right pushing that) of the 80s (and early 90s) many at the time said they chose to believe in it despite the evidence because it backed their religious beliefs (and didn't care what harm it did to innocents), and I suppose this must be something similar. (Though I have come across alternative theories that say Christianity is a creation of, or at least exploited by, the Illuminati to control the masses, too, though that seems a rare view.)

There are conspiracy theories that are coherent, IMO, and whether or not I agree with them I can at least understand the reasoning. But I have yet to do so when they call it The Illuminati (as opposed to merely listing them as a historical group that would go on to later make or inspire a different group, or possibly as simply metaphoric), it's always something vague and, frankly, babbling. (And if I'm going to babble nonsensically about something with mostly hints & insinuations that require a lot of assumptions rather than clear statements then it will be about Cthulhu!)

The most coherent explanation I ever came across (and didn't have to invent myself in a vain attempt to understand their babbling) was that these symbols were "idols" that empowered the Devil, which I know is an idea that some Christians would consider blasphemous in that the Devil could "absorb enough psychic energy of the idols" (because by loving the celebrity they send forth praise to the idols as well which Satan absorbs) to somehow thwart God. And it's an absurd idea (or an absurd god) that God would get the vapors over someone seeing a singer or movie that just happened to have a pagan symbol in it, especially when the standard belief of virtually all Christians that God cannot be defeated and what matters is accepting Jesus, Jesus cannot be "stolen" from you by viewing some pagan symbol.

posted April 02, 2013 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Snorkel:
Some say yes, some say no. I think it can be agreed upon though that at the very least, we're in the last leg of Pisces, and just like they say planets on the cusp of another sign have the energy of both...it could be argued that we're experiencing some Aquarian Age energy now even if it hasn't officially started yet per se.

About the comment above that the Illuminati doesn't use astrology because they're too busy trying to make money...actually, they believe in stuff like astrology much more than the rest of the populace does. They pretty much plan every move they make around what the planets are doing - remember the saying "As above, so below" and stuff like alchemy and magic and other occult things that the modern-day freemasons practice, and freemasonry itself was infiltrated and corrupted by the Illuminati centuries ago.

That aside, I've been thinking for years now that there's an astrological correlation between who gets offered the opportunity to be a star and who doesn't. Have you ever noticed how many of the big music stars from the last few decades, are Pisces Moons? I think there's a reason for that.

And I've noticed what seems to be a trend toward picking Sagittarius-heavy people for the spotlight in recent years. My guess is that it goes like this : every year, millions of wannabe stars sign record contracts movie deals, etc. And out of those, the ones that appear to be selling the best...those are the ones the Illuminati pays attention to. Then, they probably find out their birth data and pull up their natal chart and look for specific markers. When they find artists who have those, then they offer them super-stardom in exchange for being willing to push the Illuminati agenda in their work, etc.

I'm thinking that they go after the people that appear to have the greatest potential to sway or dazzle the masses. Which would explain something like Pisces Moon, because of its association to Neptune and the Age of Pisces in general. And think of how many old-school movie stars have a busy or prominent Neptune in their chart. I think with the current era, they were looking specifically for Sag energy. Maybe because so many people in the most recent generations, have something in that sign, whether it's their Neptune or some of the other outer planets - so then these artist's luminaries or inner planets, conjunct billions of people's Neptune. I've wondered if the constant emphasis on Sagittarius has something to do with the Galactic Center also but that's just guesswork.

I'm willing to bet that now that we're (possibly) in the Age of Aquarius, we'll start seeing more Aquarian/Uranian signatures in the charts of the future stars that make it to the top of the heap.

And again, they probably pick these people based solely on their natal potential to dazzle the public. It's not so much that the musicians chosen are somehow more spiritually-advanced or capable or smarter or anything like that, but that they'd make the most useful puppet or lure to reel the public in. Which brings me to another theory, which is that they probably try to look for charts that indicate the ability to be manipulated easily - think about it, if you're going to do their bidding, it helps if you aren't stubborn as a mule and determined to think for yourself.

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wow...makes alot of sense. Kim K has Pisces moon and Kanye too.

posted April 02, 2013 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by k e p h x i:
I'm not going to read all of the replies, but isn't Ye a Libra!? Also, aren't we in the Aquarian Age? Um... hence our technology and etc.

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