posted April 11, 2013 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You make some good points and it helps to see things from someone else's perspective from time to time. House twelve tends to cause too much introversion and focus on self and people can become closed to the insights of others. I value your input.

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posted April 11, 2013 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
Welcome I understand what you are saying though. But if you pick up more from other people than the 'non 12th housers' because you can tune into that 'hidden layer' easier and just 'see more' (not sure if that's the case?) and no one will affirm that, the tendencie is to discard it and assume you are wrong, feeling worse, etc. While in reality you are probably right, but others just can't grasp it. So just discuss those bits with people who are on the same level and do understand you. I noticed that makes it so much easier Took me years though! Lol. Again, just my experience.

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I feel like, with my twelfth house placements, I can tune into the energy of others more easily and feel it more intensely so I have to shield myself partly from it, like talking on the phone instead of in person, for example. I am so much better at talking on the phone. In person I stay quiet and cannot focus on what I want to say all the time. I feel nervous and distracted. People have told me it's like I have two personalities, the "in person" one and the "phone" and they are very different in terms of word volume lol. I think with mine it's mostly being able to feel more than the average person, being more sensitive to everything around me, especially people and how they are feeling, what their intentions are, and opinions.

I try to find people who are on the same level to talk with but where I live, I feel like a total pariah most the time. Still, very good advice. If I lived in a bigger city, I might have an easier time finding people who are more like me so I don't feel like I stand out as much and I would definitely try to find them. For now, it's the internet that will have to suffice.

posted April 11, 2013 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I think with mine it's mostly being able to feel more than the average person, being more sensitive to everything around me, especially people and how they are feeling, what their intentions are, and opinions.

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For the projection... Nope. I don't have it like you describe it. Hypnotising quality If you are into Tarot, study the Queen of Cups. She has that ability where people 'lose themself in her'. I have the reflecting bits to an extent, but also here I feel that (regardless of placements) people just project a lot on each other in general anyway...

posted April 11, 2013 02:39 PM            

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This I understand, but I have my moon there also. (and further Cheiron retrograde, Jupiter & a bunch of asteroids). Extra protection (by just knowing you are more sensitive and withdraw if you need it) will help.

For the projection... Nope. I don't have it like you describe it. Hypnotising quality If you are into Tarot, study the Queen of Cups. She has that ability where people 'lose themself in her'. I have the reflecting bits to an extent, but also here I feel that (regardless of placements) people just project a lot on each other in general anyway...

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To me it just seems a little different than average projection just in the complete change in personality and what is being projected. It has a twelfth house quality to it more than the themes of other houses and have been good at noticing it lately.

It's cool you can hypnotize others. Do you think Jupiter has something to do with it? Moon, probably. Not sure what each individual asteroid represents though I know about Chiron. haven't studied it enough but probably should devote more time to it.

I find the Jupiter influence very good for house twelve and helps those with it placed there deal with twelfth house issues without as much difficulty. Like, it's easier to deal with loss and solitude with Jupiter without falling apart. It gives more hidden strength and fortitude.

posted April 11, 2013 02:44 PM            

Lol. I can't. I meant that what you describe sounds like a hypnotising quality.

EDIT: Very recently I had a reading done on Cheiron, moon + my south node in the 12th house (and the 12th- 6th house axis). Also because I didn't know much about it and for me it felt like there were 'keys' connected to the 12th house for me personally (mostly because of Chiron and my south node there). The astrologer told me among other things that it is healing of the collective that takes place there if you have Cheiron there. However it is an ongoing healing and whatever the collective is going through/needs healing on, you are most likely going through as well. That can make it a bit harder to keep your personal boundaries clear. The 'is this me that is feeling this or did I just pick up someone elses pain/feelings?, what is actually mine? etc.'
Also Jupiter in there is seen as a 'connection' with God/higher self/universe (whatever name you want to give it).

Not sure if anyone else posted these already: http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html
<A HREF="http://www.pathwaytoascension.com/astrology/lesson6_p.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.pathwaytoascension.com/astrology/lesson6_p.html[/URL]</A>

posted April 11, 2013 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
Hi. Conservative religions? Or more the spiritual beliefs?

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Originally posted by Kalilak:

@ CAY_512:
I have found my spiritualism! I do believe in something on the other side, however I don't like to stick labels on it as I am unsure of what it really is. I have had experiences though that brought me out of Agnosticism and into belief in a higher power.

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posted April 11, 2013 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
"It's cool you can hypnotize others. "

Lol. I can't. I meant that what you describe sounds like a hypnotising quality.

EDIT: Very recently I had a reading done on Cheiron, moon + my south node in the 12th house (and the 12th- 6th house axis). Also because I didn't know much about it and for me it felt like there were 'keys' connected to the 12th house for me personally (mostly because of Chiron and my south node there). The astrologer told me among other things that it is healing of the collective that takes place there if you have Cheiron there. However it is an ongoing healing and whatever the collective is going through/needs healing on, you are most likely going through as well. That can make it a bit harder to keep your personal boundaries clear. The 'is this me that is feeling this or did I just pick up someone elses pain/feelings?, what is actually mine? etc.'
Also Jupiter in there is seen as a 'connection' with God/higher self/universe (whatever name you want to give it).

Not sure if anyone else posted these already: http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html
<A HREF="http://www.pathwaytoascension.com/astrology/lesson6_p.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.pathwaytoascension.com/astrology/lesson6_p.html[/URL]</A>

Ami's articles: http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/journal/chiron-in-the-houses/ http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/07/04/new-insights-into-the-12th-house-from -our-qa-session/

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Thanks for the link info, others will find them helpful as well.

posted April 12, 2013 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Kalilak:
I also feel like I can pick up on other's emotions, but at times, it is just projection. So most of the time I am doubtful that I am reading someone properly, because I've been told I was wrong plenty. Sometimes though, I pick up exactly what's going on with very few clues involved. That also makes sense on the topic of boundaries.

And I can tell you that I definitely strongly feel the pain of the world as my own. I feel guilty when I'm happy because there are so many people mentally, emotionally, and physically suffering. I start to think of all of those things, and my mind spirals out of control...then I just become despondent and depressed because I feel so helpless. I often times wish I could absorb everyone's pain...I feel like I'd be strong enough to deal with it because I've dealt with so much already in my life. I know this isn't possible..but, ah, the daydreams...

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posted April 13, 2013 12:01 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You sound like a thoughtful, caring person, Kalilak! Chiron in 12 sounds emotionally painful and draining. At least Jupiter is there to help soften the blows. Do you notice the positive effects in your life? Do you feel like you can cope at the end of the day, when all is said and done, because of Jupiter? If not already, I hope you will get in touch with the energy of Jupiter to help you through the darkness that can lurk inside house 12. All darkness can be illumined with light, at least for a little while. It's a fascinating place to explore just be careful of dwelling too much on the negative and getting morbid about things. I have done this myself plenty of times. It can be quite dismal and depressing.

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posted April 13, 2013 12:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Kalilak:
Jupiter seems to be ineffective. I mean, I have a Sagittarius Moon and Sun/Mercury in the 9th house, so I have a lot of this energy, but it doesn't seem to shine through.
I was browsing through the asteroid boards and I clicked one about Kaali...it interested me I guess because my name is Kali. It was talking about this being the Kundalini force, and if it conjuncts anything in the chart, it "amplifies it x1,000,000". I drew a chart with Kaali in it, and go figure, it's conjunct Chiron (2 degrees). So maybe that's why it feels so unbearable at times.

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posted April 13, 2013 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
Chiron has been referred to as "the wounded healer". I see Jesus as being the ultimate wounded healer.

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