posted April 11, 2013 04:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Snorkel:
Honey, you were swimming in the sewer long before I responded to you with your spiel about people being bad parents because they care enough to look out for their children.

When you say that, you disrespect my dead mother and a hell of a lot of other parents who give/gave everything they have of themselves to protect their babies before they could protect themselves.

I don't care how much you did or didn't read either. I only read pieces of your idiocy anyway before exclaiming profanities and typing my response.

Like I said. Read about Clifford Jones, or the Atlanta Child Murders, or all the other horror stories out there about kids and teenagers left to their own devices by parents who let them come and go as they pleased because they thought exactly like you do.

Like I said. Please don't have children. You say that us products of protective parents were disserviced, but no child deserves the disservice of being thrown to the wolves by someone like you because you think it'll make them tougher and build character.

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Yes, and I see you've already edited your previous response to have more content. Because of your continuing rage, and admitting you only read part of what I said before responding (which explains a lot) I'll just make a few points:

1. I don't think kids should be thrown to the wolves. I said that above ("lion's pit"), btw.

2. Obviously, we're using our terms differently. Parents SHOULD protect their kids, but that doesn't mean raising them in a bubble.

3. I wasn't speaking of babies.

4. I expect those child murders were because kids were naive, that is it wasn't impressed on them how dangerous the world is and the tricks used to lure them and how innocent the evil can appear. Yep, looking up Clifford Jones I can see that you are COMPLETELY misunderstanding what I'm talking about.

Anyway, I'm sorry you're so upset. Very rarely I'll get angry over something posted as well, but what I do is WALK AWAY, calm down, and then come back and try to see the other person's PoV and what is actually meant, and it usually looks a lot different then...and then if I'm STILL upset then I either ask for clarification on what was meant and/or say why and give reasons rather than attacks (though I may come off as very cold, a chill rather than a flame). In any case I don't skim bits and pieces and then flame them based on that as if I understood them perfectly.

posted April 11, 2013 05:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Snorkel:
You want the truth? Everybody is deserving of respect, not just the people YOU personally think "suffered enough" for it.

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posted April 11, 2013 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Heck yeah!

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Just to be clear, I see a difference between showing respect and admiring someone (and for that reason I agree with you here).

Btw, you never got back to me on the other thread...I was hoping you would give an example of what you meant about how love is given rather than earned so I could more clearly see what you mean (please answer there, not here).

posted April 11, 2013 06:13 AM            

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posted April 11, 2013 07:38 AM            

I just really admire that, how is it anti-bad girl?

posted April 11, 2013 07:41 AM            

Shes modest, and comes off as innocent like a flower, but underneath all that shes really strong and she wouldn't be manipulated or anything. And she'll stand up to anyone who hurts her.

posted April 11, 2013 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
She has a huge Capricorn stellium, Capricorn women are strong and full of ambition, since being ruled by Saturn..

Shes modest, and comes off as innocent like a flower, but underneath all that shes really strong and she wouldn't be manipulated or anything. And she'll stand up to anyone who hurts her.

Whats wrong with that?

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posted April 11, 2013 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
She has a huge Capricorn stellium, Capricorn women are strong and full of ambition, since being ruled by Saturn..

Shes modest, and comes off as innocent like a flower, but underneath all that shes really strong and she wouldn't be manipulated or anything. And she'll stand up to anyone who hurts her.

Whats wrong with that?

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Nothing. But it sounds different from, "Shes like a really sensitive flower that you just need to look after and protect.. you can't help but to get the urge to protect her and be with her to remind you of the innocence/purity you once had..You're scared of hurting her."

In your OP she sounded like someone who needed help and protecting, but applauding her for being so fragile strikes me as like applauding someone for being so physically fragile, it's not something to admire and it strikes me as unhealthy to think, "Oh how wonderful it is to be so fragile, everyone should aspire to remain so vulnerable, nearly helpless and dependent on others, rather than learning to stand on their own." (Ok, maybe The Last Unicorn )

Your revision makes her sound very different...and generally speaking, those types don't need protecting, they're the ones to DO the protecting. (ETA: And btw, GOODNESS IS NOT WEAKNESS. A lot of people make that mistake and it contributes to evil in the world because they think to be good means being a lamb and so choose to be a lion instead, that is to hurt others so they're not hurt themselves, proving to the world they're not to be messed with by making "examples" out of others. I'd rather people didn't equate being good with being fragile and dependent on others for protection.)

posted April 11, 2013 09:47 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I know a really innocent girl, shes a Christian, really nice, only seventeen, very different from girls her age. A lot more pure and innocent, not concerned with sex and drugs at all, more of her studies. I think shes very good to look up too. Others might find her boring but I find her very mystical and otherworldly.. like the Virgin Mary..I'm serious here.this is more like.. extreme admiration. :V

Shes like a really sensitive flower that you just need to look after and protect.. you can't help but to get the urge to protect her and be with her to remind you of the innocence/purity you once had..

You're scared of hurting her

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posted April 11, 2013 09:49 AM            

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posted April 11, 2013 10:08 AM            

After reading your description of that girl and your later explenations, I would say that I am that type of girl you described. I´ve also been called boring yet fascinating, as paradoxal as that sounds.

Innocence is not the lack of experience - that´s naivite. Innocence is a choice.
I´m not at all fond of religious morals, but if the person really belives in something in their heart than that makes them spiritual. Spirituality isthe most common quality in people who chose innocence/purity.
For a long time I thought all people have the potential to chose innocemce, but the older I get the more I belive that it is a rare quality to be WILLING to chose it. But on the other hand, those who do don´t have a choice but to chose that path, because they feel the calling from the "spirit" orwhatever you want to call it.

The irony is that girls like us are VERY strong, and we can fight, but we do it only if it´s the right thing to do.

People try to mess with me all the time, because of my fragile appearance. Somehow alot of people dislike girls like us. They think we´re pretentious, unintelligent, manipulative, weird, dishonest, mean and so on.

I think it´s just that we operate on a different energy level than most people. I have aspergers I think. Bad girls are usually very socially skilled. I don´t admire them though. They have their role in the universe, and we have ours. I tried beng friends with them, but they walked all over me, because I let them. So my conclusion is that we don´t mix.

I think bad girls fit with nice guys.
I have no idea why, but I´ve seen alot of bad girls eventually marry a nice guy. I think the yin/yang thing applies here.