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KarkaQueen
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posted April 10, 2013 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a really innocent girl, shes a Christian, really nice, only seventeen, very different from girls her age. A lot more pure and innocent, not concerned with sex and drugs at all, more of her studies. I think shes very good to look up too. Others might find her boring but I find her very mystical and otherworldly.. like the Virgin Mary..I'm serious here.this is more like.. extreme admiration. :V

Shes like a really sensitive flower that you just need to look after and protect.. you can't help but to get the urge to protect her and be with her to remind you of the innocence/purity you once had..

You're scared of hurting her

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posted April 10, 2013 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I was a man I would love innocent girls, no contest.

A lot of people like sexy, naughty girls. Which I can totally see the appeal to, but those innocent sweet-heart people just appeal to me more.

I'm very fond of Moon in Pisces/Cancer people in general, also.

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posted April 10, 2013 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldnt say I like innocent girls because in the dating pool i'm in thats not very realistic . However I do like girls who have morals and values and most importantly self respect.

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posted April 10, 2013 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hanneli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i love strong, intelligent women with moxy. gotta respect people who know what they like and go after it...

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posted April 10, 2013 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is something I dislike about that kind of innocence... but my dislike is not directed at the person.
What bothers me is the social/religious/political context that gives rise to such behaviour.
From my perspective - animal instincts - survival instincts - the instinct to eat, to drink, to reproduce - is a beautiful thing. I am in the Osho camp on this - not at all in the Ghandi camp.

Organised religion often downplays human sexuality - mainly female sexuality - and historically several seriously horrendous crimes have been committed against women due to this fear of sexuality.
When I see a person who is brainwashed and forced to go with the "grain" - and hence *hiding* everything that makes her human.. in order to fit this mold of the "ideal" perfectly nice/good Mother Mary type - it just reminds me of religious oppression and religious dogmatism.

Osho:

"During three thousand years, man has been through five thousand wars — killing and killing and killing. And you call sex animalistic? Animals have never done anything more ‘animalistic’ than man. And you think man is not an animal? Man IS an animal. And the idea that man is not an animal is one of the hindrances for your growth. So you take it for granted that you are not animals, and then you stop growing."

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posted April 10, 2013 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hanneli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
perfectly put, odette!
it is frightening just how much patriarchal societies are afraid of the sexuality of women.

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posted April 10, 2013 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it when people are free to be themselves without pressure from society to be what they are not.

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posted April 10, 2013 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like bad girls.I blame my Juno in Scorpio.

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posted April 10, 2013 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
There is something I dislike about that kind of innocence... but my dislike is not directed at the person.
What bothers me is the social/religious/political context that gives rise to such behaviour.
From my perspective - animal instincts - survival instincts - the instinct to eat, to drink, to reproduce - is a beautiful thing. I am in the Osho camp on this - not at all in the Ghandi camp.

Organised religion often downplays human sexuality - mainly female sexuality - and historically several seriously horrendous crimes have been committed against women due to this fear of sexuality.
When I see a person who is brainwashed and forced to go with the "grain" - and hence *hiding* everything that makes her human.. in order to fit this mold of the "ideal" perfectly nice/good Mother Mary type - it just reminds me of religious oppression and religious dogmatism.

Osho:

"During three thousand years, man has been through five thousand wars — killing and killing and killing. And you call sex animalistic? Animals have never done anything more ‘animalistic’ than man. And you think man is not an animal? Man IS an animal. And the idea that man is not an animal is one of the hindrances for your growth. So you take it for granted that you are not animals, and then you stop growing."



That wasn't how I tried to come off as all, not all woman are conservative and have low sex drives. Some women are naturally like this, like the girl I was talking about. Even her chart proves it, unless shes pulling one hell of an act, I'm convinced. XD

Some women are naturally sexually and wild, some are more sensitive and less sexual..some are sensitive, conservative, AND sexual. What im saying its just a breath of fresh air from all the other wild, partygoing chicks at my age.
Obviously I admire sexy women like Pam Grier but I also admire the down to earth, conservative, natural nature of this girl...

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posted April 10, 2013 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She has Angel conjunct Ascendant and Compassion conjunct Aura.. wow.

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posted April 10, 2013 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neither.
I like strong women but I'm not subservient either.
The problem with bad girls are they're no different than womanizers they often try and take advantage of men.

Innocent girls are not that appealing. I don't want to be a father figure or be in control...

I just like normal people I guess LOL.

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posted April 10, 2013 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Neither.
I like strong women but I'm not subservient either.
The problem with bad girls are they're no different than womanizers they often try and take advantage of men.

Innocent girls are not that appealing. I don't want to be a father figure...


What kind of strong women? What bout strong and innocent women? Just kidding. Haha.

this is random but do you consider me a strong girl? I never heard anyone tell me I was strong before actually. XD (you dont have to answer that lol)

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posted April 10, 2013 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A strong innocent person is a contradiction hehe

Perhaps independence and wisdom is what appeals to me

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posted April 10, 2013 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I know a really innocent girl, shes a Christian, really nice, only seventeen, very different from girls her age. A lot more pure and innocent, not concerned with sex and drugs at all, more of her studies. I think shes very good to look up too. Others might find her boring but I find her very mystical and otherworldly.. like the Virgin Mary..I'm serious here.this is more like.. extreme admiration. :V

Shes like a really sensitive flower that you just need to look after and protect.. you can't help but to get the urge to protect her and be with her to remind you of the innocence/purity you once had..

You're scared of hurting her


I get what you are saying. Innocence can be very appealing to some. And I think the media is hyper-sexualized these days. Young people are not being taught to value their innocence as much anymore. I think this is a shame. I’m kind of an old fashioned romantic when it comes to this sort of thing. It’s just so much more special to save yourself for the right person, then to spread then to just spread it around with all kinds of random guys just cause you thought he was hot at a party.

I’m a Capricorn, with Moon in Cancer, and a Sagittarius stellium. I’m definitely more of a conservative good-girl type then a bad-girl type. I also really admire other women who have morels, are selective, and have self-respect when it comes to how they deal with men. I even like love stories better with historical setting, because of the old fashioned chivalry, where the guy is willing to wait for the girl until after marriage, and she hasn’t been with anyone before him. For some reason, this type of situation is just more satisfying to hear about.

Actually, there’s a metaphysical reason as to why it’s better not to sleep around too much. It’s not healthy for a person’s energy field…

I have you ever noticed that people who are too promiscuous have kind of like a slimy, disturbed energy field around them. Like their energy field is oozing or leaking. This can happen to men and women who have too much sex with too many different people. However, women are more vulnerable to it because she takes the man physically and energetically into herself. Apparently, what happens when people sleep together is that they form an ‘imprint’ on each other’s aura field, linking them together energetically. If a person sleeps around too much, they’ll wind up with too many energy links with too many different people, and their energy field becomes disturbed, and leaky.

Instinctively most humans are able to recognize this. And most are actually repelled, or feel uncomfortable and weird, around people whose energy has become too disturbed in this way. I think this is why many ancient cultures prescribe chastity until marriage, and why sexual purity is revered. Keep in mind I’m talking about extreme examples here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbLbAcq29Xw
This link is really interesting. This lady is a Vedic astrologer, and she gives advice to women on how to purify their energy field of the ex-lovers. Especially if you feel you are still hung up on this ex, and you want to forget him and move on. It’s a method to help clear your energy field to free yourself of old energy patterns stuck on you from old boyfriends.

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posted April 10, 2013 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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To be innocence you must lack of life experience.
Like a sheltered rose.
Once you experience hardships of life it steals your innocence and purity.
Relationships and love is also an eye opener.

I have nothing in common with someone who is innocent.
Someones innocence is sacred and should be honored. because we all miss the days when we were once innocent.
I kind of envy them.

For me would feel awful tainting a someone who is innocent.
Anyways karkaqueen your friend is about your age?
I was innocent at 14 and 15 too, thats an uncommon age to be naive and innocent.

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posted April 10, 2013 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seventeen Eighteen in December.


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posted April 10, 2013 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, I think it's entirely possible to have limited sexual experience and to still be very perceptive and wise.

It's also possible to be the town floozy, and to be as dumb as a post.

I don't believe sexual experience and 'wisdom' are necessarily related.

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posted April 10, 2013 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hanneli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
innocence, regardless of sexual experience, usually depicts a person who has been sheltered from life and can't comprehend the complexities of it.

i feel that one can be put through many trials that evolves the mind but still keep their spirits young.

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posted April 11, 2013 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like prudes/hyper-conservative women.

I don't like sl*ts though, either.

Truth? I like people in general - women or men - with a good high libido that genuinely like sex, have no problems talking about it and feel no shame about sex whatsoever and see it as a good thing...but don't share themselves physically with any-and-everybody.

Basically if you like sex, and don't have hangups about sex, but aren't promiscuous. Which means I'm probably right in the middle continuum of this debate. My chart probably reflects this too - my chart ruler is conjunct Lilith, there's a bit of a plutonian theme with four planets in the eighth and moon conjunct pluto, but I have Venus in virgo and Mars in Cancer. I like the idea of sex. Alot. A WHOLE lot. A WHOLE LOT. But only with someone there's a real bond with.

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posted April 11, 2013 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I know a really innocent girl, shes a Christian, really nice, only seventeen, very different from girls her age. A lot more pure and innocent, not concerned with sex and drugs at all, more of her studies. I think shes very good to look up too. Others might find her boring but I find her very mystical and otherworldly.. like the Virgin Mary..I'm serious here.this is more like.. extreme admiration. :V

Shes like a really sensitive flower that you just need to look after and protect.. you can't help but to get the urge to protect her and be with her to remind you of the innocence/purity you once had..

You're scared of hurting her


Going by this it implies you think bad girls are those having sex as opposed to actually being bad (like a lot of people do, heck Cosmo is constantly publishing articles of how to have "bad girl sex"). With that in mind I am seeing a "bad girl" as a girl who knows what she wants and goes after it, may dabble in drugs, but isn't a junkie or a cheater or backstabber, which is why I'm going to say what I'm about to say about bad girls:

Bad girls are more interesting, and thus I like them. They're brave, bold, and fun, and likely aren't trying to fool anyone about that.

As for "good girls" you seem to define them as naive & sheltered rather than someone following a path of conscience and virtue (again, many do define it this way, though I personally see it as messed up, but I'll play along), which is why I'm answering as I am:

I tend to feel protective of "good girls" as you describe them, especially if they're kids, yet I also see them as needing to grow up (especially if they're physically adults). Someone who needs my protection because she's ignorant and inexperienced isn't someone I'd admire, no matter how much I might like her. And they're as admirable to me as a kitten, which is to say no matter how cute like a kitten she might be and how much I'd protect her from being kicked, and no matter how much I might go, "Isn't that sweet and precious?" there's no respect there for her (don't confuse me as saying, "I'd never show her respectful behavior"), let alone admiration, because she's just a sheltered kid who has never been tested or knows anything about the world.

I remember being angry at Kanye West when he stole Taylor Swift's moment (who came off as sweet, sheltered, and pretty innocent back then) but had I met her I'd have pat her on the head and given her a cookie (metaphorically speaking of course), not admired her. (In contrast, Beyoncé gave up her own spot for Taylor Swift would be a bad girl in your view, but I'd admire and respect her for having done that, but if I met both in casual surroundings I'd be inclined to like them both equally, but Swift would just be a kid to me, even if she was, IIRC, 19 at the time). In contrast, Mother Theresa wasn't an innocent child, she'd seen and wrestled with the horrors of the world and rose above it and so her I can admire, unlike a child who was simply lucky and untried and who's true character is yet to be revealed. And IMO raising a child to be that innocent really is doing them a disservice, especially if they're turned loose into the world without really knowing anything with enough context to understand warnings or having a chance to develop some common sense. Even such an innocent who joins a monastery after hasn't made an informed choice, so I can't admire it (and informed or not it could be cowardice motivating the choice as well, and I don't admire cowardice).

"The weakest of all weak things is a virtue which has not been tested in the fire" --Mark Twain The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg

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posted April 11, 2013 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Going by this it implies you think bad girls are those having sex as opposed to actually being bad (like a lot of people do, heck Cosmo is constantly publishing articles of how to have "bad girl sex"). With that in mind I am seeing a "bad girl" as a girl who knows what she wants and goes after it, may dabble in drugs, but isn't a junkie or a cheater or backstabber, which is why I'm going to say what I'm about to say about bad girls:

Bad girls are more interesting, and thus I like them. They're brave, bold, and fun, and likely aren't trying to fool anyone about that.

As for "good girls" you seem to define them as naive & sheltered rather than someone following a path of conscience and virtue (again, many do define it this way, though I personally see it as messed up, but I'll play along), which is why I'm answering as I am:

I tend to feel protective of "good girls" as you describe them, especially if they're kids, yet I also see them as needing to grow up. Someone who needs my protection because she's ignorant and inexperienced isn't someone I'd admire, no matter how much I might like her. And they're as admirable to me as a kitten, which is to say no matter how cute like a kitten she might be, and no matter how much I might go, "Isn't that sweet and precious?" there's no respect there for her, let alone admiration, because she's just a sheltered kid who has never been tested or knows anything about the world.

I remember being angry at Kanye West when he stole Taylor Swift's moment (who came off as sweet, sheltered, and pretty innocent back then) but had I met her I'd have pat her on the head and given her a cookie (metaphorically speaking of course), not admired her. (In contrast, Beyoncé gave up her own spot for Taylor Swift would be a bad girl in your view, but I'd admire and respect her for having done that, but if I met both in casual surroundings I'd be inclined to like them both equally, but Swift would just be a kid to me, even if she was, IIRC, 19 at the time). In contrast, Mother Theresa wasn't an innocent child, she'd seen and wrestled with the horrors of the world and rose above it and so her I can admire, unlike a child who was simply lucky and untried and who's true character is yet to be revealed. And IMO raising a child to be that innocent really is doing them a disservice, especially if they're turned loose into the world without really knowing anything with enough context to understand warnings or having a chance to develop some common sense. Even such an innocent who joins a monastery after hasn't made an informed choice, so I can't admire it (and informed or not it could be cowardice motivating the choice as well, and I don't admire cowardice).

"The weakest of all weak things is a virtue which has not been tested in the fire" --Mark Twain The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg


I'm gonna be honest, I got an anti-bad girl bias from the original post too, but really yours is just as bad and it reads like you have a huge chip on your shoulder against anyone who is sheltered or inexperienced.

Neither bias is particularly attractive. People are at where they're at and I don't think they really owe you or anyone else an apology or explanation for what kind of life they had or how much they have or haven't done. I think in the end it just matters more what kind of person you are to other people, and frankly that has nothing to do with how many people you have or haven't slept with or what you have or haven't done in life.

As far as your comment about growing up sheltered - I find that personally offensive because I did grow up sheltered - very. My mom jumped hoops and went through hell trying to protect us from everything and honestly I'm grateful for it, because that is what a good parent, does. They try to keep their child from being preyed upon by the world outside and exposed to things they aren't ready to handle yet. They protect you until you're old enough to be able to go out there and fend for yourself. Adulthood is about struggles and having to meet the challenges in the world outside, which leads to developing strength and character. That is what it is for.

Twain wrote stories for children and if his work is any indication seemed to have a great deal of respect for them as human beings and their innocence and purity. Actually in general most of Twain's work has an element of idealism, innocence and optimism which gives a general idea of where his head would probably be at on this subject and I doubt he'd agree with you, even though you decided to misappropriate his words to try and legitimize the bile you just spewed. Sure, he probably did believe that with hardships we grow as a person. Most people, myself included, agree with that. But I'd doubt he'd cosign you attacking and slagging off the inexperienced the way you just did and honestly he'd probably light into you for it.

You have a right to your opinion whatever that may be. Having said that, other people also have the right to express when they find someone's views ignorant and offensive, and I am doing so now. I liked you before this post and agreed with you on a surprising number of things but after this, my respect for you and your views is notsomuch.

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posted April 11, 2013 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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you have a huge chip on your shoulder against anyone who is sheltered or inexperienced.

No chip on my shoulder, I just don't admire people who haven't done anything. That doesn't mean I don't like them or don't see potential in them, but admiration is something to be earned, not given freely. I admire people who overcome adversity or who accomplish something hard, not someone who just went with the flow. It's ok to go with the flow and take the easy path and I don't "expect an apology or explanation," but I don't admire them. That doesn't mean that I'm therefore "attacking" them, in fact I think they should be looked out for, as I said. I just don't see them as enlightened (how could they be?) or someone admired as the OP was describing. Someone admirable wouldn't be like some fragile china doll that I was scared of hurting by treating as a person rather than someone super vulnerable to the world and that was what I was trying to get across.

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I think in the end it just matters more what kind of person you are to other people, and frankly that has nothing to do with how many people you have or haven't slept with or what you have or haven't done in life.

I actually agree with that.

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My mom jumped hoops and went through hell trying to protect us from everything and honestly I'm grateful for it, because that is what a good parent, does. They try to keep their child from being preyed upon by the world outside and exposed to things they aren't ready to handle yet. They protect you until you're old enough to be able to go out there and fend for yourself. Adulthood is about struggles and having to meet the challenges in the world outside, which leads to developing strength and character. That is what it is for.

And here I disagree with you, strongly. Too many people have been hurt because they were protected, did mind boggling stupid things as adults that got them injured, robbed, even raped (and no doubt killed) because they naively assumed everyone was like the people they'd been surrounded with, had no idea of their limits, and had no idea what to expect from the bad people (but they THOUGHT they did because they had no experience and no real context to understand the warnings of others). What's even worse is that those guilty of sheltering them often blame the shattered person they'd sheltered as if s/he should've magically known what they were prevented from knowing on like their 18th birthday.

A good parent prepares children for the world, not make them vulnerable to it by keeping them in a bubble and then suddenly letting them loose (which to me is like raising an animal in a cage and then suddenly releasing them into the wild, it's downright cruel). And when they shelter their kids that obsessively then I blame them at least in part when like their daughter gets gang raped, pregnant, and with an STD (and I know someone who experienced that, btw, it destroyed her life, and she's not grateful for her parents as she wasn't as lucky as you've been so far, and she wasn't jumped, she was lured and did stupid things that anyone with a lick of sense would've avoided, and she herself knows that now and does blame her sheltered upbringing for what she did).

Oh, and btw, I learned how vile the world could be the hard way and I'd have appreciated more of a heads up before I suffered. I did have some warning, but not the context to understand the warnings properly, thought I understood people when I didn't, and can see how absurd I was back when I was fairly innocent (though I thought myself worldly). That is, I didn't feel confused or unsure at all, I THOUGHT I knew what I was doing, but was very wrong...a few things I look back on and laugh and/or cringe, but others left their scars because I was more innocent/naive than I realized. And perversely, lying to me to "protect" me (by trying to make me and other kids too scared to experiment) only made me (and plenty of others) reject the legite warnings and I made mistakes because of that as well (because we stopped heeding the cries of "wolf" once we saw the cries were sometimes false). Learning life's lessons shouldn't be that hard and potentially brutal, but it's all too likely when inexperienced, especially when kept in a bubble (intentionally or not).

Because of those raised sheltered have suffered such harm, and at least in part BECAUSE they were raised so sheltered, I'm not going to apologize to you for "insulting" your mom as I see what your mom done as reckless and irresponsible and putting you at risk as an adult. As far as I'm concerned you're not better off for having been insulated from the world, you've just been lucky...and might not remain lucky forever (though I hope you are). I AM sorry that this will probably offend you further, but try to see it from my point of view, the view that has witnessed people who endured horrifying tragedies at least in part because of having been raised very sheltered (and suffering some hard knocks of my own) whereas with experience they gain the sense to not make the foolish mistakes they (and me, once upon a time) make.

Please don't twist my words into saying kids should be thrown into the lion pit.

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Twain's work has an element of idealism, innocence and optimism which gives a general idea of where his head would probably be at on this subject and I doubt he'd agree with you, even though you decided to misappropriate his words to try and legitimize the bile you just spewed.

I doubt he'd agree with you. He was quite cynical himself and didn't think people should be too trusting.

And spewing bile? Attacking? You're really putting (projecting?) too much emotion into my words. Just saying.

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posted April 11, 2013 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I doubt he'd agree with you. He was quite cynical himself and didn't think people should be too trusting.

And spewing bile? Attacking? You're really putting (projecting?) too much emotion into my words. Just saying.



You want the truth? Everybody is deserving of respect, not just the people YOU personally think "suffered enough" for it. Who died and made YOU the deciding factor on who is or isn't worthy? You're just some random woman who talks too much on a forum. And frankly I don't think anyone really cares whether you admire them or not so long as you treat them the way you want to be treated. I know I don't.

You want the truth? You sound bitter as all hell. A parent's job is to make sure their kid gets to adulthood in one piece and to protect them from the predators out in the world. The world is NOT a safe place. Adulthood is when the child is supposed to step up to the plate and fend for themselves. Until they can do that and know right from wrong and what is and isn't bad in the world by the parent talking to them and teaching them, yeah - a parent is supposed to play interference and protector and bodyguard and advisor for their child in the meantime, who doesn't know better yet because they haven't been taught all they need to know yet. Once the child is taught through those years and their adolescence, then when they're an adult, they have the tools they need to be able to navigate the minefield that is this world, and Adult Life.

If you really truly think that a parent protecting their kid is weakening them...no offense, but please do not procreate. The world has enough neglectful parents and doesn't really need more. Do you know what happens to kids who get left to their own devices because their parents think anything else is "coddling" them?

Google Clifford Jones. Children who are encouraged to go out into the world on their own and experience it before they're ready to...get exploited, raped, murdered and everything else. It's humorous to me that you're actually trying to insist that children who are protected grow up to be victims and that a parent protecting their child until they know better and can truly fend for themselves, is somehow bad parenting and a slap in the face to good parents like my mother. No, a child left to their own devices in THIS world, winds up being a VICTIM because this world is full of predators and bottom-feeders of all types.

Please, please, don't have children. Please.

And you have no idea what you're talking about where Twain is concerned. I've read his work. It deals with the harsh realities of the world during his time but at the same time is chock full of idealism, innocence and hope. Just because the man acknowledged that a certain amount of personal growth comes from the challenges we face as adults, doesn't mean he was saying that he held a certain amount of concept for the inexperienced and naive or the powerless...who he often went to bat for through his work. Your problem is you let the chip on your shoulder color the way you interpret what came out of his mouth and YOU projected your views onto him. I'm fairly confident that if he were here now and could speak for himself, you'd be walking away with a red face and eating crow. I seriously doubt he would ever agree with any of the nonsense you just typed.

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I've only skimmed the above as it came off as little more than spewing bile with almost no real content beyond flaming. I'll give you a chance to edit it tomorrow before I look again. If you can't get over your rage, and your projection, then we'll just have to agree to disagree as I'm not going to sink to your level.

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posted April 11, 2013 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
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I've only skimmed the above as it came off as little more than spewing bile with almost no real content beyond flaming. I'll give you a chance to edit it tomorrow before I look again. If you can't get over your rage, and your projection, then we'll just have to agree to disagree as I'm not going to sink to your level.


Honey, you were swimming in the sewer long before I responded to you with your spiel about people being bad parents because they care enough to look out for their children.

When you say that, you disrespect my dead mother and a hell of a lot of other parents who give/gave everything they have of themselves to protect their babies before they could protect themselves.

I don't care how much you did or didn't read either. I only read pieces of your idiocy anyway before exclaiming profanities and typing my response.

Like I said. Read about Clifford Jones, or the Atlanta Child Murders, or all the other horror stories out there about kids and teenagers left to their own devices by parents who let them come and go as they pleased because they thought exactly like you do.

Like I said. Please don't have children. You say that us products of protective parents were disserviced, but no child deserves the disservice of being thrown to the wolves by someone like you because you think it'll make them tougher and build character.

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