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Snorkel
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posted April 11, 2013 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Snorkel:
[b] There's an aspect between Mercury and Saturn there. Sure, it's a minor aspect but the point is that one exists, and it's a positive aspect. Saturn in harmonious aspect to Mercury would also contribute to grounding a person's thoughts, and making them more lucid and practical. And with Mercury being in Taurus, which is a pretty practical and grounded sign...the issue isn't about being disconnected from reality, the two factors I just mentioned pretty much mitigate and out-weight that Mercury-Neppy aspect. I still say the "problem" is Mercury-Pluto; the aspect between those two is hard anyway.

Although it could really be argued, how much of a problem is it really to be somewhat on-guard and cautious out alone in public these days? I think it's more of a smart thing to do than something that should actually be classified as irrational paranoia, but go figure...



I've read mixed reviews of the semi sextile. Isn't that what the aspect is, lol? Yeah, she should be a bit paranoid but not to the point she feels like it is holding her back or interfering with quality of life. The key is to be more grounded. How does one ground oneself? Seems like a chart like this would have trouble with grounding...

Maybe there's some kind of meditation or biofeedback. Have your tried biofeedback, Nicole? That might help, I dunno.[/B][/QUOTE]


The general consensus from all the astrology text I've read over the years is that the semi-sextile is a positive aspect, just a minor one. It's basically a watered-down/not as powerful, sextile.

Grounding isn't her issue - again, she doesn't need it because her Mercury (Mercury is how you "think", how your brain works and how you communicate) is in an Earth sign. Earth signs are pretty much known for their practicality. And with that harmonious aspect to Saturn...that's good because Saturn is grounding in nature too, that aspect gives rationality, practicality and logic to the thought processes.

She doesn't have issues with staying grounded and in reality. But it is common for Plutonian/Scorpionic people to be genuinely distrustful and a bit cynical, cautious or paranoid. Her Pluto is highly aspected and does form a hard aspect to her Mercury. She's just Plutonian.

To sort of back up what I'm saying here - I have Mercury quintile Pluto and I somewhat understand what she's saying because I'm that way too, only not to that extent.

You really have to take the entire chart into account - just because someone's planets all land in a certain half of the chart doesn't mean they have issues with reality unless the aspects and sign placements of the planets bear that out, and they don't in this particular instance imo.

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posted April 11, 2013 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^It's about the houses, Snorkel. This is what she does with the energy. The energy is all in her corporation, not in her neighborhood.

And I know about this situation, my chart has similar issues with virtually nothing going on below and everything happening above.

And it IS a grounding issue. How can you deny it? Grounding is when you are realistic about your life, paranoia is when you are irrational so how can you say grounding doesn't help? Aye-aye-aye!

I stand by everything I have typed so far. Yes, it is multi dimensional, but lack of planets in the bottom part of the chart has a role in her situation and Astrologers would pick up on that.

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posted April 11, 2013 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nicole401     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't believe it's true either that you have a problem with grounding yourself mentally or reality either - sure, you have a hard aspect between Mercury and Neptune, but Mercury is in an Earth sign which mitigates things alot. Neptune is more about illusions and creativity anyway; [\b]

Actually, I'm not very grounded. I feel like I have ADD type 2. Although its just a tendency, not always there. Same thing with the paranoia. And the mercury-Uranus smartness lol. NOT ALWAYS THERE, but present from time to time, big and bold when it is. The paranoia is mostly there when outside. There's a high-crime rate where I live, so that could add to that.

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[b]Your Pluto is angular, highly aspected, and does make a lot of aspects - to your Sun, and to your Mercury, and Mercury is a person's thought processes.

I thought it wasnt really in the 7th house .. Lol that's what's ami anne said!

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posted April 11, 2013 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is probably way too much info too soon, Nicole, lol. I can't imagine trying to read all these posts at the rate we are typing them.

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posted April 11, 2013 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You don't have to support my opinion but there's no denying she has no planets save one asteriod and node on the bottom. Everything else is up top and this is part of the problem. Astrologers acknowledge when balance is lacking. She is feeling out of balance, pretty much, Snorkel, how can you deny it?

And it is not inaccurate to interpret the bottom part of the chart as personal and the top part as impersonal. What is someone supposed to do when there are no planets in the bottom (personal) part of the chart. I sorta have the same problem except I have Neptune and badly aspected Mars to deal with but that's it and I have serious grounding issues and troubles forming deep connections with people and another guy I know has zero planets on the bottom and he has the same problem only worse.



It depends on the astrologer. Some say that a chart full of stellia or with the planets only in one area of the chart means lack of balance; others say it means a great deal of focus into one or two specific areas, and that it isn't necessarily a bad thing, and that a chart with planets all over the place, means the person lacks focus. It's all up to interpretation by the individual.

Also, planetary placement and aspects can make up for what at first glance appears to be a "lack" anyway. Again, her Mercury is in a grounded, Earth sign and forms a positive aspect to probably the most practical and grounded planet out there (Saturn). I know you're adamant but I just cannot support you on this because astrologically there's no evidence to support it; she seems to be on pretty decent footing mentally if her chart is any real indication of where her head is at. A Mercury Taurus in harmonious aspect to Saturn, has a pretty good idea of what grounded and practical, is.

The bottom half of the chart is the self/personal houses; the top half is other people. People whose planets largely tenant the upper half will have lives that have to do more with the outer world and other people than those who have most of their planets in the bottom half, unless there's some kind of mitigating factors there to alter that. I'm not arguing with you at all on your own personal experience with yourself or your friends because I don't know you, but your chart and your experiences are just that - your chart, and your experiences. This is a totally different individual with a totally different chart. I can't in good conscience agree with you on any of this because what you're saying to me isn't reflected in her chart. If it were there I'd have no problem agreeing with you but I'm not seeing it.

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posted April 11, 2013 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes but look at NEPTUNE, Snorks, lol. Sheesh.

Nicole, I cannot imagine the difficulty this Mercury is giving you in twelve with these afflictions. My advice is to find ways to improve it. You might use the Saturnine energy to help. Try to think of ways to reality check, concentrate and connect with people in your life.

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posted April 11, 2013 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
^It's about the houses, Snorkel. This is what she does with the energy. The energy is all in her corporation, not in her neighborhood.

And I know about this situation, my chart has similar issues with virtually nothing going on below and everything happening above.

And it IS a grounding issue. How can you deny it? Grounding is when you are realistic about your life, paranoia is when you are irrational so how can you say grounding doesn't help? Aye-aye-aye!

I stand by everything I have typed so far. Yes, it is multi dimensional, but lack of planets in the bottom part of the chart has a role in her situation and Astrologers would pick up on that.


The houses are the areas of life where most of your personal experiences will take place. Most of her planets are in social houses. Also, again, she has an extremely social planet (Venus) right on her ascendant, and most of her planets are in fairly social signs. Connecting with others socially won't be an issue for her unless she actively chooses not to.

I haven't seen your chart so I can't comment on you personally. I have seen the OP's chart and again, there's no real indications there that she has any issues with grounding or reality because her chart goes against all that, there's no real supporting evidence.

Having most planets in one half of the chart or another won't tell you anything about whether or not a person is grounded or not either in terms of how they think - for that you have to look to Mercury, and the sign placement and aspects it makes. A person can have a life that is largely social and outgoing in nature and still be grounded; a person can also be introverted and be fairly impractical and vice-versa. Where the planets land won't tell you anything about how practical a person is.

You have every right to stand by what you said, as I stand by what I've said. As to whether or not any astrologers would agree, I won't weigh in on that or speak for anyone. I will only say that all the astrological text I've seen and all my personal experiences don't really support what you've said here. It is what it is.

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posted April 11, 2013 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay okay you win Snorkel, lol! I give!

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posted April 11, 2013 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nicole401:
Actually, I'm not very grounded. I feel like I have ADD type 2. Although its just a tendency, not always there. Same thing with the paranoia. And the mercury-Uranus smartness lol. NOT ALWAYS THERE, but present from time to time, big and bold when it is. The paranoia is mostly there when outside. There's a high-crime rate where I live, so that could add to that.
I thought it wasnt really in the 7th house .. Lol that's what's ami anne said!


There's a difference between not being grounded/having issues with reality, and just having a hyper mind that's hard to "shut off". You have Mercury in hard aspect to Uranus, which will give kind of an "A.D.D." element to how you think.

In a high crime area it sounds more like common sense to be cautious than paranoia to me, but paranoia and phobias are Pluto's domain and again, your Pluto has a ton of aspects, and does form a hard aspect to your Mercury which could make your paranoid or phobic in some way or at the bare minimum, careful and suspicious.

Unless the time on the chart is wrong, your moon is in the 7th house - one of the most social houses in an astrological chart, the house of the "other", and open enemies. The bulk of your planets are either in social houses, and Venus is a social planet and is on your ascendant. Sag and Aries are pretty outgoing signs, also.

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posted April 11, 2013 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nicole401     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never paid much attention to Pluto, always thought I was more uranian than Plutonian, It's in the 6th, if you've noticed, and I have a germphobia :/

& I meant, I thought my Pluto was in the 6th house, that's what ami Anne said. It seems to play on the border and skip from side to side.

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posted April 11, 2013 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's in six but it conjuncts the descending degree. Technically, it is in house six.

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posted April 11, 2013 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrology aside, sometimes chronic anxiety is a hormonal problem. Where the body produces too much stress hormones, and might actually require medical treatment. Preferably not drugs which just mask the problem, and which you might have to take forever. I recommend natural medical health professionals.

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posted April 12, 2013 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Member     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
your VENUS is unaspected.

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posted April 12, 2013 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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your VENUS is unaspected.

just an opp to Pluto.

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