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Topic: Pisces moon women
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Doux Rêve
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posted April 17, 2013 10:24 AM
  
the89freespirit, great post. I agree completely.Neil's description of Pisces Moons - the Pisces Moons he has personally known - is negative probably because he's projecting some things on them - things he may deny in himself. When we are really bothered by someone's behaviour/personality, chances are, we're projecting our shadow on them: we see things in them that we don't/wouldn't accept in ourselves. So, there really is no right or wrong here.
Just a matter of personal experience. I think it will help us all greatly to pay attention to what angers us the most in others and reflect on how those traits are part of ourselves, too. Things we don't like about ourselves - boom! they get projected onto others. We all do it, it's normal.. but, it'd be nice to find a healthy balance so that we don't spread negativity 
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On topic: Pisces Moon women are total sweethearts.. they are usually a bit shy and look innocent. Their smiles are wonderful! And they truly are very sensitive, kind-hearted souls. They are usually very good and empathetic listeners, which is a very rare thing nowadays. I like them. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 2426
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 17, 2013 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Actually, Aqua, my Pluto in the 1st allows me to see people as they truly are. You have gotten a few complaints claiming you were a troll earlier on, and you're still here.
The reason for the laughter is that there was an incident where I was insulted in a very direct and personal way last summer (a swear word was used that was censored out), and I said nothing in response about it and just ignored it because I didn't want to start drama. So when you said that I couldn't help but wonder where the threat of banning thing was then. I have a water moon in the 8th house trine Pluto. In any case, I don't think double standards should apply for certain members and not for others. Pluto is not always known for its objectivity. If you're going to be vigilant about "protecting" people, be vigilant all the time and not just for people who *claim* to be astrologers or happen to share your placements.
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 26962
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
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posted April 17, 2013 11:48 AM
I don't read everything on here. You answered your own question. You didn't report it. I didn't read his placements. I was directed straight to page 2 where your insults were. You insulted several people here, which is why you were thought to be a troll. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 2426
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Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 17, 2013 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
I don't read everything on here. You answered your own question. You didn't report it. I didn't read his placements. I was directed straight to page 2 where your insults were. You insulted several people here, which is why you were thought to be a troll.
If you're referring to the Lonake incident, that sort of proves my point. Lots of people had concerns about the same person and again, it seems you can get away with saying anything insulting as long as you couch the rudeness in "I'm only insulting a placement not a person" and say you're an astrologer. You're not exactly subtle about placing more value on posters here who claim they are professional astrologers. You side with them every single time. As for reporting people, I'm not a tattletale nor am I in 5th grade. If I take issue with something someone has said, I'm either going to ignore it or I tell them directly and then I'm done with it.
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Randall
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posted April 17, 2013 11:59 AM
Your perception is warped. I have banned quite a few Astrologers over the years. That doesn't even come into play. I give contributing members more chances perhaps. Like Glaucus. But ultimately, if you insult others, you have to go. Address the subject matter and not the person.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 17, 2013 12:03 PM
If you are not a tattletale and don't let me know, then quit complaining about me not seeing it.IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 26962
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posted April 17, 2013 12:09 PM
One's opinion about a placement is self-expression. I encourage free speech here, even if unpopular, so long as it isn't racist or otherwise violative of the rules. Personal insults are not protected. You don't seem to get the difference. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 17, 2013 12:18 PM
Randall: I have spoken to and even gotten into debates with a number of people who think that astrology is inherently evil and the social stigma against people who openly believe in it should remain because it is just another way to negatively peg, stereotype, and divide people. With the blanket statements that you routinely allow to fly on this site, increasingly, I can't say that I disagree. I also think it says loads about a person's character the way they express their opinion (I understand that opinions are based on subjective experiences, but still). If a person were to say, "In my experience, all blonde women are ***** , based on my observations of these subjects," that would be objectionable and dehumanizing and any normal person would say, "wtf is wrong with you?" to the person making this insulting blanket statement. But it's OK to make similarly tactless statements based on a person's natal placements and what's more, you defend this and threaten to ban anyone who says something to the person? Our placements are LIKE our race in that they are immutable and you can't do anything to change them.Respectfully, I strongly disagree with your approach and think it's actually poisonous in some ways (it certainly won't help to spread general acceptance of astrology). But hey, it's your website. I would also add that the negative stereotyping that is condoned and encouraged here is one reason I've been posting here and visiting the site with less and less frequency for the past four months. Voting with my feet, so to speak. Rather than argue about it in the future, I think I would rather just return to posting almost exclusively on the Lindaland FB group page. Funny how much less of this blatant rudeness there is when people are showing their faces. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted April 17, 2013 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
When there is an act of trolling, I will know it and act accordingly.
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Originally posted by Randall:
I don't read everything on here... I was directed straight to page 2 where your insults were.
You didn't even read his comment, to see whether or not he's trolling? You just jumped in mid-conversation and assumed we had no grounds to take issue with his comment? That's how you don't catch the trolls. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 2426
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 17, 2013 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
You didn't even read his comment, to see whether or not he's trolling? You just jumped in mid-conversation and assumed we had no grounds to take issue with his comment?That's how you don't catch the trolls.
Also doesn't do a lot to dispel what I said about lack of objectivity... picking on some people while protecting others...
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Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 2426
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 17, 2013 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
the89freespirit, can you link me on your blog where you wrote about men's Mars' signs? I really liked that entry when I read it, and anyway, I have a new man now with a different Mars sign 
Nevermind, found it! Very good reads on individual placements, love your blog.
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Faith
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posted April 17, 2013 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Our placements are LIKE our race in that they are immutable and you can't do anything to change them.
That's how I see it. If someone is saying all Pisces moons are liars...then they are calling me a liar. And that is a personal insult, based on a bigoted mindset. I don't insult people by their sign or placements. I don't come on here and say, "People with Cancer moons are horrid! Clingy, whiny, crying and ewww get them AWAY from me they are freaks!" I never say anything like that because it's very insulting, and I know people who have left after facing a firestorm just like that. But it's perfectly acceptable here. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 17, 2013 01:12 PM
I know how I would run things if it were my site, and I were trying to promote astrology (as opposed to turning people off of it). What my policy would be. And it sure as heck ain't like that! But, like I said, not my site. Not my rules.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted April 17, 2013 02:08 PM
^ Right. Not our site, and I'm not expecting any change. quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I like them.
 Feeling is MUTUAL!
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 26962
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posted April 17, 2013 02:19 PM
If I ban unpopular opinions, where do I draw the line? Freedom of expression matters here, whether you two like the manner of speech or not. If you choose to take it personally when somoeone reflects negatively on a placement of yours, then look within. It still doesn't justify the insults, which will not be tolerated.IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 2426
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posted April 17, 2013 02:33 PM
It's not about banning unpopular opinions, Randall. It's about encouraging diplomacy from the people here in expressing their opinions. The same way you said plainspokingly to "be nice" to people who are clearly lying and trolling, you can encourage people to "please try to be nice when posting." You're a smart guy. I find it very hard to believe you're truly clueless and don't get what we're talking about. But I can empathize a little bit. Stubbornness and difficulty in admitting when one is wrong/refusing to give an inch is a ***** of a fault to overcome. You should work on that.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 17, 2013 04:20 PM
You're deflecting to cover your own bad behavior. What Neil did or did not do is a moot issue. These are two distinctly separate issues. Offensive? Perhaps. Only if you take it personally. That's his biased opinion. But it still does not warrant getting personal. Neil is smart enough to work the system in his favor. Why should his words upset you? If they do, then that is something you should work on. These are words on a page and the opinion of one person.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted April 17, 2013 04:21 PM
Well said, Aquacheeka. I think we are beating a dead horse but part of me wonders if it's possible to use this incident to maybe inspire some positive change? quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
If I ban unpopular opinions, where do I draw the line? Freedom of expression matters here, whether you two like the manner of speech or not.
Because you don't know where to draw the line, you conclude that a line should not be drawn, and ascribe a virtue to it: "freedom of expression." Perhaps instead of banning direct confrontation and permitting (glorifying?) non-direct confrontation (it's an "important freedom") you could set another example or explicitly call for more kindness, less vitriol. quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
If you choose to take it personally when somoeone reflects negatively on a placement of yours, then look within.
Back to our race analogy, that's like saying, "If someone says 'All Chinese have poor hygiene,' and you are Chinese, that's your cue to look within."
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 17, 2013 04:32 PM
I have to admit what I like most about Pisces is they are so nice to everyone. They don't go out of their way to pick on others and try to make them feel bad. That's why they are so easy to get along with. It's a quality most do not share.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 17, 2013 04:37 PM
Race is a protected class. Apples and oranges. Your judgment is clouded. Bottom line, do not hurl insults at any individual. Let the Mods handle the policing of LL. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 17, 2013 04:53 PM
And had this subject been breached with more tact, then perhaps the issue could have been discussed; instead, you went into attack mode, and I was forced to address that. IP: Logged |
AriesKat
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From: Brooklyn, NY USA
Registered: May 2011
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posted April 17, 2013 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Back on topic!Pisces moon women are very intuitive. This makes life hard when, say, we notice someone is trolling but don't have enough "hard" evidence yet to persuade others. Amongst ourselves it's as plain as night and day, but we have to be quiet until it is obvious to others, or we get in trouble for calling out the trolls. This is a special problem for Pisces moon women.
Sooo true...ill call bs and everyone will be like o_O and then it comes to fruiton at a later date. IP: Logged |
AriesKat
Knowflake Posts: 629
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Registered: May 2011
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posted April 17, 2013 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by iliketurtles:
hmm Leonardo da Vinci's Pisces moon served him, along with civilisation in general, quite well.i feel pisces moon is a gift, it's quite difficult to harness at first but once you get there life can be pretty amazing.
I sure hope so! IP: Logged |
AriesKat
Knowflake Posts: 629
From: Brooklyn, NY USA
Registered: May 2011
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posted April 17, 2013 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by iliketurtles:
hmm Leonardo da Vinci's Pisces moon served him, along with civilisation in general, quite well.i feel pisces moon is a gift, it's quite difficult to harness at first but once you get there life can be pretty amazing.
I sure hope so! IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted April 17, 2013 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
And had this subject been breached with more tact, then perhaps the issue could have been discussed; instead, you went into attack mode, and I was forced to address that.
Is this addressed to me? quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Race is a protected class. Apples and oranges. Your judgment is clouded. Bottom line, do not hurl insults at any individual. Let the Mods handle the policing of LL.
I don't know if this is addressed to me, but I certainly DID NOT hurl any insults. I told neil to his face that I thought keeping files on people whom he intensely dislikes is creepy. That's not calling names or being insulting, as far as I'm concerned: it's frankly leveling with someone and giving them a chance to explain, if they wish, what their deal is. Race is protected because it's the status quo. We could create a new status quo in the astrology community where all signs are protected from malicious diatribes like neil's...we are not too small a community to adopt a value system, like equanimity and trying for a respectful atmosphere. If me saying this kind of thing is an "attack," I"m sorry. I was alarmed that you threatened to ban me and basically told me to shut up, as you and I have been nothing but cordial to each other in the past. IP: Logged |
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