posted April 12, 2013 07:46 PM            

The reason I'm asking is: my moon is 26.7 in capricorn, but i can't for the life of me identify with it. I'm NOT conservative, family-oriented, I really don't care about having a career, I'm informal, I'm not disciplined, on the other side, I absolutely love my personal freedom, not really the jealous type, it's very difficult for me to commit to anything, I love change, hate routine and this goes on and on...

So I've always wondered if my moon was maybe influeced by Aquarious? I really don't have any important placements influenced by Uranus, although my Moon is in the 9th house.

So , how big of an orb do you consider to have the power to influence the previous sign?

posted April 12, 2013 09:15 PM            

I feel the same way about my moon. I have moon in Cancer in 4H.....and I absolutely do not identify with most things that should be happening with Moon in such a prominent placement. My moon is in 1 degree Cancer, and I do feel vibe with some of the qualities of a Gemini moon, though I still feel my moon is a bit "heavier" than Gem moon, so I will admit I can see some Cancer in it.

I once read an article about orbs/cusps that mentioned something being within 3 degrees of the next house/sign could be considered to be a "part of" that house/sign instead of the one it's actually in, but it was in reference to singletons or MC I think...regardless, I do think that having planets closer to another sign/house can make us feel elements of the sign/house it isn't in, or a mixture between the two sign/houses.

I think a good rule of thumb for orbs in order to consider a planet a "cuspy" one would be between 1* and 3*. I know some people will make the argument that 0* planets are "power placements" and that planets in late degrees are traditionally supposed to be "heavier" with the sign's influence, and your Moon isn't necessarily within a 1-3* (though it's close) orb soooo:

posted April 12, 2013 09:45 PM            

So how strong do you feel your moon? Gemini placements and Cancer placements should be pretty easy to spot- i think.

Then again you do have a Cancer moon on the 4th house, so it should make it a little stronger I think? Btw i LOVE cancer moons! Every single Cancer moon I've met were popular and had a huge social circle - not in a Leo, or showy way, but in a ¨silent type¨way, just going with the flow and not really caring whether they were popular or not, just being themselves and the popularity would come by itself.

posted April 12, 2013 10:08 PM            

If you read symbols (which there are so many out there today), some symbols do explain degrees that share energies from neighboring signs, if you use decans and duads, they also describe the influence of other signs/planets to the degree of the placement, (there's also stars that have the effects of one or more planet which may touch a planet if you look at those), if you use things like monomoria/day-night, same thing... and if you use progressions, and believe in the motion of the planetary energies not being static, there's that too~!

Pretty much agree with the wise and excellent one here~ It's up to you to decide how you feel about cusp energies.

But, I would like to say, aspects (not just to planets) can also be a big influence in a person's personal planet not projecting the same way, as well as house placement and the rulership of that house over the energies within, and the house that body rules in the natal as well.

For you, where is Cancer (what house), For instance my Moon rules the 11th (naturally ruled by Aquarius), my Moon falls in the sign of Taurus on the 9th house cusp, Venus rules my 9th house from 4th house Sagittarius, Venus lies conjunct Uranus. 9th house is naturally ruled by Sagittarius, and 4th by Cancer... My Moon has a bit of Taurus, Cancer, Sagittarius, and Aquarius influence to it. There's also the effect of having it opposed Saturn (ruler of my Sun) 3rd house Scorpio (naturally ruled by Gemini), and exact trine my Capricorn Sun (5th house/Leo house naturally)... Moon brings out gifts of Mercury (chart ruler/dsc ruler/co-dominant Jupiter) through minor aspect as well...

When you read a generic description you are only going to read the bare minimum of traits that astrologers have found a large (debatable) number of clients/subjects to have in common with one another, (often they just relate object A to sign B, and that sets the standard for all with that placement, then you find the descriptions that use house + sign + body = /these characteristics/ - and again, these are very generic descriptions that have to be used in order to explain the concepts to a diverse number of people/students with sometimes very mediocre interest in the actual study of astrology to begin with)...

Astrologers are selling a product a lot of times, and that doesn't always mean they have to explain all the steps they used to reach their conclusions, and a lot of times it is recycled material from previous astrologers (or boards even... like ours here will surely be used at one point or another, and it probably has already).

There are books and astrologers out there who actually take pride in the study/their profession... and they do explain all the methods, all the factors... to the best of their ability... but, I doubt you'll find too much of that in the novice section of the book store/library. Those books actually require a good deal of reading, and the use of those easy-to-understand/simplified books to get one started.... which is why they're there... lol Those descriptions have to be tolerated, in order to slowly expose people who do pick up an interest and further their knowledge of actual astrology/astro-theory/astro-formula.

So, if you cannot find any explanation within your chart for why you feel out of line with your Moon so strongly, and you have looked beyond the basics for that reason already, then it is really and truly your decision where your non(sign) moon energy comes from, and what you want to call it.

I recognize cusps much like somethingexcellent so I can't really offer anything more on how to judge those, 2 degrees tops (from personal), and I only really pay mind to planets/nodes that fall on AP, anyway... (0* cardinal). But, I do like to at least look at those transitioning degrees as just that... degrees where energies begin to blend and transform from one to another... and I do, at least in my own mind, like to think of the effects those have on people and how they can express differently, sometimes a person may have a more difficult time maintaining one trait over another/painful and inconsistent transformation between both, sometimes they are in harmony and you can often see both energies coming out through that placement in the individual...

But, again~ that's just my way of looking things through, and it doesn't have to a standard. I for one believe very strongly that this is a field where different approaches, theories, ideas being brought to the table are most welcome and usually do not hinder those of others, a great deal of tolerance has always been used by astrolgers out there, and there are a great number of different astrologies out there~ it's a field of study where the only thing that doesn't change is the constant change... XD *confusing* but I like it that way~! ^^;

You decide! At 26* of Cap you've probably already moved into AQUA by progression~ so welcome to the air Moon club! <3 Hope you enjoy your stay with us, (I know I have)! lol

posted April 12, 2013 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Lehia2:
I keep hearing different opinions, some ppl don't believe in them some don't.

The reason I'm asking is: my moon is 26.7 in capricorn, but i can't for the life of me identify with it. I'm NOT conservative, family-oriented, I really don't care about having a career, I'm informal, I'm not disciplined, on the other side, I absolutely love my personal freedom, not really the jealous type, it's very difficult for me to commit to anything, I love change, hate routine and this goes on and on...

So I've always wondered if my moon was maybe influeced by Aquarious? I really don't have any important placements influenced by Uranus, although my Moon is in the 9th house.

So , how big of an orb do you consider to have the power to influence the previous sign?

BTW I wasn't sure where to post this, please feel free to move it

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posted April 13, 2013 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
That would make astrology even more complicated and some people want everything to be straight forward and simple. lol

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posted April 13, 2013 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
That would make astrology even more complicated and some people want everything to be straight forward and simple. lol

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posted April 14, 2013 04:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Here’s an interesting fact….

The angular diameter of both the Sun and the Moon is or just over 1/2 degree, which is 30 minutes of arc. Meaning that they both take up about half a degree of space on the zodiac wheel. And when astrologers calculate the position of the Sun and the Moon, they do so from the center of point of each body….

Meaning they use the center point of the Sun and the Moon to calculate exactly where to place them by degree, minutes, and seconds, in the zodiac….

However since the Sun and the Moon both span 30 minutes… That means that in reality they do extend 15 minutes on either side of this center point…

Now this only counts for the luminaries… The Sun and the Moon… Because they appear so large from our stand point on Earth. They are like plates. They have a diameter that is obvious to our eyes. However the rest of the planets and the fixed stars are more like pin points. They are so small from our perspective that their zodiacal position from any point on earth is exact to the second.

What this means is that planets and fixed stars don’t have a cusp. But with the Sun and the Moon, potentially the tip of them can be sticking out into the next sign… After all they are each half a degree wide!!

I’ve never liked the idea of cusps. With the planets, fixed stars, nodes, and other ‘points', definitely they are either in one sign or the other… The diameter of these bodies and points are so small from our point of view on Earth that the cross over point from one sign to another is pretty precise.

But since the width of the Sun and the Moon themselves (from Earth) is half a degree each… Spanning 15 minutes on either side of their zodiacal position… That means that from a mathematical perspective it is possible for the tip of a luminary's diameter to stick out past the dividing line between the signs… As the zodiacal positions of the Sun and Moon are both calculated from the centre of their diameter…

This means that from exactly 29’45 at the end of a sign, to exactly 00’15 at the beginning of a sign, it is possible mathematically for the Sun or the Moon to span two different signs… However the centre point of the luminary is how they calculate exactly which sign the luminary is in… And this sign would be dominant as more then half of the luminary’s diameter would be in that sign… As well as the decan, and duad at the end or beginning of that sign…

So with the luminaries (the Sun and Moon) only, I’d be willing to consider at least the possibility of a cusp influence. But only after 29’45 of a sign, or before 00’15 of a sign… The last 15 minutes of a sign, and the first 15 minutes of a sign… Other then this narrow margin, no way would I consider for there to be any possibility of a cusp influence.

Like my Moon is at 29’11 Cancer… Which means the full diameter of my Moon is between 28’56 Cancer and 29’26 Cancer… All of it falls into Cancer so there is no possibility of a Leo influence. And I most definitely feel that my Moon is only in Cancer. Although, I do wonder if I had Moon at 29’55 Cancer, if there would be a slight Leo sub-influence… Because then my Moon’s full diameter would span between 29’40 Cancer and 00’10 Leo…

So now that you know that the Sun and the Moon are each half a degree wide… How do you think this functions astrologically?

Another thing to consider is decans and duads… If you were born with the Sun or the Moon at the very end or very beginning of a decan or duad (within 15 minutes of the dividing line)… Perhaps there is influence from the next or previous decan or duad of that sign as well.

I have Moon at 29'11 Cancer, Venus at 29'41 Sagittarius, Saturn at 00'18 Virgo, and Jupiter at 00'26 Cancer. All of them feel like they are in the sign they are mathematically in.

My Venus is in Sagittarius in the Leo decan, and Scorpio duad, and I feel these details really fit. My Moon is in the Pisces decan, Gemini duad, and again I sense a fit here to. Due to the position of my Cancer Moon, it's entire diameter is still within the confines of the sign Cancer. My inner nature is way too shy and sensitive for Leo to be part of the picture. However, I can sense the Gemini duad of my Moon, in how mentally active my inner world is. I literally almost never stop thinking.

I do have Mars in Leo, so there is a Leo side to me. This side comes out when I feel the need to assert myself somehow, rather then when I'm dealing with emotional, security related stuff. It's a totally different dynamic then having a Leo Moon.

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I agree with you definitely in terms of signplacement.
However, I have read several discussions of planets short before a housecusp being interpreted in the next house as well.
One of the reasonings I read was that for example if the Sun was technically already in 6th house, its light could still be seen in the 7th house. Just like even after the Sun has already set, there is usually a little light left for a time (depending on how close to the equator you are located).

On the other hand I have Mars only 2 degrees off ASC, but he definitely belongs into the 12th house for me (though it might be a 12th house mars that has kind of an outlet via ASC now and then).