posted May 02, 2013 04:59 PM            

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I mean, come on. Either he's got some serious issues or he's just not that into you.

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I don't feel like it's an option that 'he's not that into her' sexually - when he has made it so obvious that he wants some.. through body language.

Generally that 'not that into you' book is BS ... but that's just my opinion, obviously.
I think we all have instincts about these things.
Instinctively you can tell when a man wants sex. It's so clear.
Whether he wants a relationship or something more serious is another matter.

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maybe he's distant because he knows he doesn't want to get closer to you for whatever reason (probably fear of commitment).

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For me, the weird part was that Little Doe mentioned she offered sex.. which I took to mean 'she offered something casual'... and he didn't want to go there.

Like I was saying - in my experience - if a guy is actually *attracted* - not "not that into you" - but clearly attracted.... AND... he also avoids sex.... there is an issue there.
I am not surprised she has the intuition that he is gay.

Little Doe,

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He looks at me in a predatory way, yet I know he doesnīt want just sex. I kinda offered that (lol), but he seems to want something else.

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Now I'm a bit confused because you mentioned that you guys don't talk much.
When you say you offered, do you mean that you were just flirty towards him.. or...?
I mean did you actually say that you are happy with a casual fling?
Maybe he didn't even understand that you felt this way.
So like Doux is saying - maybe he still thinks you have your heart set on a relationship with him.

posted May 02, 2013 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Ręve:
Are you under a Neptune transit right now, Little Doe?

I don't think I should go back.
Things didn't work out, and God knows I tried.
Hopefully someone else is waiting for me
Nah but really, charts do have their say on how things are likely to play out.

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posted May 02, 2013 05:41 PM            

I understand your confusion..Itīs so complicated. I donīt even know where to start.
My intuition about him being gay is true, I belive. I think the man likes men. HOWEVER, for some reason he likes me too. So my guess is that he is bi-sexual. I belive most of us are. I am.
This guy loves his male friends. He kisses them even, hugs them. Heīs very touchy with them. Heīs also very macho. I think he admires masculinity, and has little respect for femininity, for whatever reason.

Maybe my dream was symbolic though. In the dream he looked trapped. Like he was unhappy with his bf. He was looking at me like he wanted me to save him.
This dream means that I instinctually feel that he looks to me for comfort, almost like a mother. I have a feeling like his mom was cold to him, and because Iīm a cold person on the outside towards him, I remind him of her and he is drawn to me.

About the sex:
The man wants to touch me so bad, I swear. But heīs also repulsed by me. Youīre right, when a man is attracted to you, you KNOW. And I KNOW. But attraction can happen on meny levels. Maybe itīs not that he wants to do IT with me. Maybe he just wants to hold me. One time he put his hands on both my shoulders as we bumped into eachother, like he was trying to hold on to ne and protect me.
Then the next moment we both felt the repulsion and ran away.

When I say I offered sex, I mean that in the beginning when I first met him, I used to walk seductivly past him and smile, VERY OBVIOUSLY telling him with my body language that he can have me. And I also went and talked to him, inviting him to do something with me. He smiled so much and at the same time he said no thanks.
I didnīt really care. I just wanted to have fun with him. Thatīs all I ever wanted.

The odd thing is that he has LOTS of girl friends and theyīre all very liberal/sexual, and whatnot. And he has fun with them all the time. Heīs a real womanizer, always checking out women (Hence why I think he is bi). As soon as a beautiful woman enters the room he gets all googly, and his body starts pointing towards her. And next thng you know, theyīre talking and heīs acting all normal.
But when I did that he chocked up. Also he hides behind things and looks at me. And I hide from him too.

Even if he thought that I want more, I donīt understand why heīd care, because he seems like atotal player with other women and he plays them all the time. Empathy is not his strong point. Heīs quite the catch, I know..

But like I said, he is sent to me for whatever reason, and only time will tell what it is.

As for will I be ok with him not wanting to commit - yes. I think maybe he already has a gf that he loves, even though he feels this way about me, and thats fine too. But Iīm kind of not very conventional. I just want to have fun. Anything else is in Gods hands.
I spoke about my mars in 12th house in another thrad, and I really think it makes me very wishy washy in life, even relationships. Itīs like - whatever happens Iīm ok with it. Iīve been single for five years, and donīt mind staying so for the rest of my life. But the fact that we feel this attraction is exciting, and you never know.

posted May 03, 2013 05:00 AM            

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When I say I offered sex, I mean that in the beginning when I first met him, I used to walk seductivly past him and smile, VERY OBVIOUSLY telling him with my body language that he can have me.

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That's not really saying anything though.
It's just flirting....
And asking him out - on its own... wouldn't mean that you are lighthearted and OK with casual fun.
It could mean that you just want to get to know him better.

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The odd thing is that he has LOTS of girl friends and theyīre all very liberal/sexual, and whatnot.

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You might have a more serious vibe though - not just because of the Capricorn in your chart - but also.... your approach towards him has been kind of on the shy side.
So perhaps he sees you as someone who would only be serious-relationship material.

Doux could be right that he is scared of commitment and he sees you this way.
Or he is taken - Or gay LoL

I mean - you did not offer sex. You did not talk to him or mention that you'd be happy with a casual fling with him.
If he was aware that you're more -open- to something not so serious... maybe he would go there, I don't know.
But that's only IF you are sure you actually want that.

Overall - the worst thing here is that you are just not communicating.
I think you should try communicating more often in a casual way.
I know you tried to be friends... but what I am saying is - you should strike up a conversation every second day.. or whenever you bump into him - so that it creates a pattern.. and you get closer.
If you never get *talking* - things won't move to any other phase.

Going by synastry alone - this whole situation is SO surprising to me. You both have such mature and serious signs in your charts - Capricorn - Cancer - Scorpio.
These are not childish signs.....
You also have Capricorn Mercuries.. Usually if the Mercuries are compatible it's not so difficult for people to get talking.
But yeah - I guess he just has issues.. what can I say?

It's quite odd.

Also - Scorpio Mars men (I know many! - including two with Mars conj Pluto) - and although they flirt a lot and maybe go through phases when they sleep around and other phases when they are faithful etc.... but overall they give me a really good vibe.
It's compatible with my Capricorn Mars so I feel very comfortable with their energy. I don't find them chauvinistic or patronising or threatening or anything negative.
I actually think they are usually open minded - and it's so easy for women to express their sexuality with them, because they are open to anything.
BUT maybe - in the dark side of this aspect they can jerks.
I just haven't met many personally!!
But this guy does sound more jerky than the ones I know.

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Even if he thought that I want more, I donīt understand why heīd care, because he seems like atotal player with other women and he plays them all the time. Empathy is not his strong point.

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Honestly - the reason I usually get along so well with Scorpio Mars in both men and women - is because I do see them as empathetic and I do not see the men as players.
Mainly the ones with Mars conj Pluto in Scorpio.
I mean they are extremely honest about sex.. to the point of being confronting.
They wouldn't deceive someone or play them to get sex.
They'd be perfectly forward about what they want -- and if their crush goes with it, great. If they don't, they don't.

But they wouldn't deceive someone into sleeping with them.
Scorpio Mars is dignified. Scorpio Pluto is dignified as well. Together they are a very strong combination - and the men who have this have no reason to be jerks.
The ones I know who are players and jerks are very weak people who can't get sex otherwise. Do you get what I mean?

But obviously I don't know your guy... and as I was saying earlier different placements can be used for good and evil.. it's all about free will and the way that person chooses to behave.

But is it possible you are misinterpreting his behaviour? Maybe he is not playing those girls and they are just willing partners.

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I think maybe he already has a gf that he loves

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posted May 03, 2013 05:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Little Doe:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doux Ręve:
[b]Are you under a Neptune transit right now, Little Doe?

I don't think I should go back.
Things didn't work out, and God knows I tried.
Hopefully someone else is waiting for me
Nah but really, charts do have their say on how things are likely to play out.

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I don't know, I think a astrology has to do with more than the mundane - since it covers the intangible all the time - emotions for starters, to be exact, mundane things are actually sixth house if you're talking about daily habits, and 2nd house is personal finances, but non-material things are focused on all over the chart wheel and probably more than the mundane things.

I think a synastry, composite and natal charts show people's natural leanings/inclinations. Kind of like someone's natural haircolor. Can they dye it another color? Sure, but their hair is never going to grow out of their head blonde if they aren't genetically hardwired that way to begin with.

posted May 03, 2013 06:25 AM            

yes, Itīs possible that Iīm misinterpreting his behaviour. Heīs probably honest with those girls and they willingly hang around him. I agree that mars in scorpio is dignified and will not manipulate to get sex. They donīt need to.

The only person who he hasnīt been straightforward is me, come to think of it.

Actually, Iīm getting tired of the whole spectacle at this point.Iīve started focusing on other things/people in my life.
Having all this scorpio in my chart letting go can feel as easy as escaping out of Alcatraz, but sometimes you just have to admit defeat and move the hell on.

posted May 03, 2013 06:47 AM            

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I don't know, I think a astrology has to do with more than the mundane - since it covers the intangible all the time - emotions for starters, to be exact, mundane things are actually sixth house if you're talking about daily habits, and 2nd house is personal finances, but non-material things are focused on all over the chart wheel and probably more than the mundane things.

I think a synastry, composite and natal charts show people's natural leanings/inclinations. Kind of like someone's natural haircolor. Can they dye it another color? Sure, but their hair is never going to grow out of their head blonde if they aren't genetically hardwired that way to begin with.

But I absolutely do agree that if for whatever reason people decide they want to go against those inherent tendencies they can actively choose to do that, or divert the energy into manifesting in a different way somehow.

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I agree.

I too feel that the synastry is like a blueprint. You canīt change itīs essence or potential.
However, letīs remember that our absolute knowledge about astrology and how it will play out is in best case as fullproof as that of the potential outcomes of scientific experiements. Sure, alot of times our predictions are true. But in a considerableamount of cases they are not.
These exceptions could be explained by meny things, one of wich would be that our theoretical models arenīt appliable.

posted May 03, 2013 06:56 AM            

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I might go up to him one of these days and say - hi, howīs it going and if he gets over his weird attraction to me heīll probably respond in anappropriate manner and weīll be able to finally be friendly and relaxed with each other.

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hmmm Because he seems so paranoid, I would actually go slower if I was you.

Maybe try to build-up a routine between the two of you where you always say "hi - hows it going" when you see each other... without any *actual* conversation.

As I understand it - you now stare.. but you don't even say *hello* to each other.
I think you should avoid that ^ and anything flirty.

And just be friendly - and say "hi" normally as you would to any acquaintance.
Draw a line on what has happened thus far - clean slate!

posted May 03, 2013 07:04 AM            

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I agree.

I too feel that the synastry is like a blueprint. You canīt change itīs essence or potential.
However, letīs remember that our absolute knowledge about astrology and how it will play out is in best case as fullproof as that of the potential outcomes of scientific experiements. Sure, alot of times our predictions are true. But in a considerableamount of cases they are not.
These exceptions could be explained by meny things, one of wich would be that our theoretical models arenīt appliable.

Basically, astrology is too complex for anyone to be able to make a fullproof prediction of a relationships outcome. Itīs all speculation. With that said - speculations can be very valuable, and serve as guiding. But the outcome is never truly predictable. Thatīs why my theory is to keep an open mind, at all times, i nall situations.

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Sure, but I was never saying in the first place that good synastry guarantees a long-lasting relationship. If it's damn good synastry then it shows that naturally these two people will probably feel very good about each other - now, if they decide to go along with that or choose to go in the other direction is up to them. But left to their own devices and they'd probably wind up a'humpin' each other.

posted May 03, 2013 07:06 AM            

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hmmm Because he seems so paranoid, I would actually go slower if I was you.

Maybe try to build-up a routine between the two of you where you always say "hi - hows it going" when you see each other... without any *actual* conversation.

As I understand it - you now stare.. but you don't even say *hello* to each other.
I think you should avoid that ^ and anything flirty.

And just be friendly - and say "hi" normally as you would to any acquaintance.
Draw a line on what has happened thus far - clean slate!

Once you build up some familiarity from simply behaving *normally* around each other and acknowledging each other, then you can move in on having a conversation whenever the opportunity presents itself... but don't make it a conversation about the two of your --- that's my advice anyway!!
Maybe talk about your work or whatever you are interested in.. just normal everyday stuff..

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Oh damn, we flirted and stared just a couple of days ago..
I see what you mean Odette. This thing needs to be de-sexualized. Iīll get on it!
Iīll keep you guys up-daed if anything changes. Thanks.

posted May 06, 2013 07:13 AM            

These last few days Iīve been thinking, and itīs all been an illusion. It would have been interesting to see in wich houses I put my planets in his chart, but I donīt have his bt..

My unconventional ways are pushing him away and turning him of, I think.

posted May 06, 2013 08:25 AM            

Saturn (him) conj Moon (me) within 3 degrees
Moon (him) sextile Saturn (me) within 4 degrees
Pluto (me) square sun (him), within 5 degrees
mars (him) sextile sun (within 4 degrees)
Mars (him) sextile neptine (me) within 4 degrees

I just though Iīd add it, if it makes any difference.

The thing is - I think the saturn-moon sw is really prominent actually.

I think thatsīwhatīs keeping us from getting close. But itīs also kind of fascinating, and I read that it is found in meny serious long term relationships.

I do feel such urge to be hugged by him and taken care of by him. But at the same time he scares me, and he hurts me with his coldness. Itīs like Iīm too sensitive.

posted May 06, 2013 04:08 PM            

The moon is very prominent in his chart. Itīs also in cancer, so he is very family-oriented type of person.

I think I misread him. Maybe heīs just very sensitive and has a feminine soul. Sometimes I think heīs 100% straight. I admit that Iīm confused about him. The more I know him the more it seems like I donīt know him that well at all.

Iīm really outspoken, progressive and I am not family oriented. Itīs my moon in scorpio. Itīs pretty destructive.
I find that this is the biggest problem with scorpio-cancer moon combo - cancer is too focused on status quo, and they are put of by our rebellious nature.

posted May 08, 2013 04:35 AM            

If our synastry is so mediocre, why does astromatch.com say that we have a score of almost 11 out of 11 in love?

In friendship we only have 7.

My question is what is their ranking based on?