posted April 30, 2013 06:06 PM            

What do you think about the following aspects? Especially the Ascendant ones.

Man / Woman

Mars conj Asc
Saturn conj Asc
Pluto conj Asc

(It´s all in scorpio)

Sun square pluto
Pluto sextile Sun
Moon opp Sun
Venus sextile mars
Saturn conj Moon
Moon sextile saturn
Chiron opp Venus

Do you see any love or is it just kinda obsessive?

Sorry for making a new thread about the same guy, but I´m just trying to figure out what to do with him, and it´s hard because I´m confused.

I´ve known him for a year and we´re only now starting to actually be nice to eachother, and that´s really weird because I´m usually a very nice/polite person. We used to play games and be quite hard on eachother. There is something really creepy about him, and I can´t put my finger on it. But I feel connected to him, almost special to him.

Is heavy pluto synastry an indication of psychological danger in a relationship? Can it be unhealthy, yet binding, almost like saturn?

This man is something else. I feel a desire from him, almost like he needs me but at the same time hates me. And yet I know he doesn´t. He forgives me for being rude, even when other guys would write me of as non-datable.
And still I feel like he has an agenda. He looks at me in a predatory way, yet I know he doesn´t want just sex. I kinda offered that (lol), but he seems to want something else.

Dpes anyone have any wxperience or thought on this kind of synastry?

posted April 30, 2013 07:45 PM            

To be honest, the aspects you have are stable, friendly, relationship-y... possibly sexual with the pluto things going on..
Nothing jumps out at me as negative.

But I would say he has his own issues. I've known scre*wed up men before.

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He looks at me in a predatory way, yet I know he doesn´t want just sex. I kinda offered that (lol), but he seems to want something else.

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If they actually *avoid* sex, even though they are obviously attracted to you - that is truly not a good sign. It's one of the clearest signals, in my opinion & experience - that a man has some serious issues.

It could be different things... insecurity on a physical level (specially if he's young - 20s!), thinking you are better looking, mother issues, small penis syndrome - you name it!
It could even be that he is uncertain of his sexuality. For example I've had this happen with a guy who turned out to be gay and felt weird about his attraction to me - since 90% of the time he was attracted to men.

posted April 30, 2013 08:03 PM            

He is probably gay. The thing is though, he is probably totally unaware of it.

However, I still think that he could be attracted to me, because no one is 100% hetro or gay.

I feel like he is so conflicted in himself, but at the same time I KNOW that he has feelings for me. He proves it to me every day.
(My ex-husband turned out to be bi-sexual later, but he was very attracted to me too).
I attract these guys wiith sexual identity problems for some reason. ( I do kinda sorta look like a boy, but I´m very feminine in my soul).

He wants SOMETHING from me, and if it´s not sex or a relationship - what is it? Does he want to be friends? I offered that too, but nope, he pushed me away. Now we´re at a point where he just stares at me and lights up if I say hi, and he´s always around me, but we never talk. Maybe I´m a healing influence on him somehow. Maybe he just feels comfortable looking at me and being close to me. I do kinda feel that way about him too.

Thanks for your oppinion. Appreciate it.

posted April 30, 2013 08:37 PM            

I know it seems odd because technically he is the source of his own frustration.. since he is the one holding back --- although sometimes for people who have serious issues - it can feel like they are trapped inside their own mind. So if the 'mental issues' he has with sex.... whatever they are... are preventing him from getting closer --- that can almost be like an outside force that is stopping him, that he has no control over.

It's similar for example when someone has an anxiety problem and they can't control their anxiety. It could cause serious problems for them - inability to do public speaking or interact socially for instance!
Even though from the outside, to a person without the anxiety issue it could look like it is not such a big deal and that the anxious person could simply manage or ''talk themselves out if it' ---- for the actual person experiencing the anxiety problem it could seem like an 'outter' problem that they can't control at all - like something that -just- happens to them.

posted May 01, 2013 04:35 AM            

Actually I don´t know him well, and I have no idea if he has issues with sex. I don´t judge people and I don´t think that there is a normal attitude to sexuality in general. Some people take sex seriously and it´s a sensitive matter to them, and I think that´s OK. I feel kinda the same way.

His mars in scorpio would make him very serious about sex. I don´t think he can have one-night stands, although he presents himself as a player.

His mars is well aspected, as is his venus.

Venus Conjunction Jupiter 9.47 15
Venus Conjunction Uranus 7.44 90
Mars Sextile Jupiter 3.39 43
Mars Sextile Neptune 3.13 47
Mars Conjunction Pluto 1.08 558

Saturn could play a role here maybe. The chemistry between us is very serious so maybe he´s afraid of getting to know me because he senses that it could get too serious for his liking.

In his chart I see both signs of freedom-loving, and craving for emotional intimacy.

His venus is in sagittarius and it conjuncts uranus. That´s a sign of an explorer. His SN is in sagittarius, so that kind of life/freedom is familiar and natural to him I guess.

So, when he met me maybe he felt too restricted by all the saturn and pluto in our synastry.And yet he can´t deny that there is a connection between us.

His moon is not afflicted. It is in cancer and trines his mars.
The only challenging aspect in his chart is sun square pluto. That could make a person very controlling and unable to trust. And that´s what I´ve seen. he doesn´t trust anyone, and he is almost paranoid about his integrity and his inner world.

He seems very volatile, and possibly emotionally unstable, but I have been in love with him for a year now, and I´ve observed him. I´ve come to the conclusion that I love him as he is, and I am ready to be just friends. I want to know him and be his friend even if he is gay/asexual.. whatever. I am not jealous or possesive of him at all, and I could even imagine having an open relationshp with him.

But I deubt he would ever be up for it. he´s just not ready.

posted May 01, 2013 07:19 AM            

First, I agree with Odette.

It seems weird to me that he doesn't make a move if he likes you. Especially with Mars/Pluto conjunct in Scorpio.. I mean, come on. Either he's got some serious issues or he's just not that into you.

Or he has commitment issues, which wouldn't be surprising given that he has Venus conjunct Uranus in Sag and a Sag SN.

Actually, I think that may be the reason.
He can feel it's something serious (Saturn, Pluto) but he's probably not feeling ready.

So, even if he has feelings for you, I doubt he's ever going to commit to you unless he deals with his issues.

And usually guys don't want to be "just" friends with a girl, especially if they're attracted to her. So maybe he's distant because he knows he doesn't want to get closer to you for whatever reason (probably fear of commitment).

Of course I'd advise you to move on, but I know you don't want to. And it will take time before you can detach, Saturn and Pluto in synastry can be very clingy.

posted May 02, 2013 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Hi Little Doe,

First, I agree with Odette.

It seems weird to me that he doesn't make a move if he likes you. Especially with Mars/Pluto conjunct in Scorpio.. I mean, come on. Either he's got some serious issues or he's just not that into you.

Or he has commitment issues, which wouldn't be surprising given that he has Venus conjunct Uranus in Sag and a Sag SN.

Actually, I think that may be the reason.
He can feel it's something serious (Saturn, Pluto) but he's probably not feeling ready.

So, even if he has feelings for you, I doubt he's ever going to commit to you unless he deals with his issues.

And usually guys don't want to be "just" friends with a girl, especially if they're attracted to her. So maybe he's distant because he knows he doesn't want to get closer to you for whatever reason (probably fear of commitment).

Of course I'd advise you to move on, but I know you don't want to. And it will take time before you can detach, Saturn and Pluto in synastry can be very clingy.

Good luck, no matter what happens, stay positive! ~

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Hi Deux!

I really appreciate your oppinion. You´re right - I don´t want to move on becuase the attraction i so strong and undeniable. I definitely think he´s into me, but here´s the thing. We both have issues. I think it´s childhood stuff. He reminds me of my father, and (don´t ask how I know this, I´m a scorpio moon, and I just DO ) I probably remind him of someone from his past, his mother or ex or something.

Like attracts like. I had a bad childhood, and I know he did too (Wounded people recognize eachother..) an it draws us closer. It feels familiar and comforting, because we can be ourselves. But at the same time I think this is what repells us. We both hate the wounds we see in eachother because it reminds us of our own ones. We´re like mirrors me and him basically.

And usually this is a very intense thing, but if both people have wounds a peaceful coming together is impossible.

I actually know why he doesn´t want to approach me. It´s because he knows there´s no point. We can´t make it work, not right now anyway. But the love is very strong.

Astrologically speaking - yes he has a SN in sagittarius, but so do I , and we´re both free spirits. I don´t want a commitment from him. I just wat to see him happy. It´s like he´s my twin or something. Like I knew him from a past life. We also have venus conjunction SN in synastry (me being SN) and we recognized this free spirit in eachother immediately. No one wants to suffocate the other, we care about eachother too much.

And on top of all this there is this frustration and repulasion, and running away.. It´s just very complex...

I just thank you for letting me write about this and get it of my chest. I have no friends that I can talk to, so this is all kept inside me usually.

posted May 02, 2013 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Little Doe:
What do you think about the following aspects? Especially the Ascendant ones.
Man / Woman

Mars conj Asc
Saturn conj Asc
Pluto conj Asc

(It´s all in scorpio)

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His Mars/Saturn/PLuto on your ASC would drive you absolutely insane. I am not sure it would be easy for you to just stop being obsessed with him, if ever able to.

posted May 02, 2013 01:32 PM            

I agree with your post, but on the other hand, sometimes the planet person can feel the energy, too. It's hard to tell, in this case..

Little Doe,

I know what you mean.
You're probably karmic mates.
I had an encounter like this a few years ago, it was the most intense feeling ever, I was going mad. We had unbelievable Saturn contacts and NN and Pluto and it felt like he was my soulmate, but I was scared, and he was scared. It ended in a bad way, I'm not even sure I've let him go after all this time. I've tried cutting karmic ties with prayer and all, but it still haunts me sometimes.

It's a very difficult situation, so I empathise with you. However, I don't think it will lead to a positive outcome. It's a lesson you have to go through, but try to see things from a bigger perspective. He is not the only one, even if you feel like you guys have an unbreakable bond. Some things are weird like that.

If you want to talk, you can email me, by the way (my ad is in the Astrology for Beginners Forum).

posted May 02, 2013 02:06 PM            

I´ll give you the composite, and you may discuss it, but as far as I´m concearned he is the perfect man at the perfect time in my life right now and I´m eager to see what God wants to teach me through him. Whatever it is - I will master it! <3

Ever since he came into my life I have been a better version of myself.

composite chart
http://postimg.org/image/bjke63mpv/

posted May 02, 2013 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
ORANGE! Where have you been? I've missed you!

I agree with your post, but on the other hand, sometimes the planet person can feel the energy, too. It's hard to tell, in this case..

Little Doe,

I know what you mean.
You're probably karmic mates.
I had an encounter like this a few years ago, it was the most intense feeling ever, I was going mad. We had unbelievable Saturn contacts and NN and Pluto and it felt like he was my soulmate, but I was scared, and he was scared. It ended in a bad way, I'm not even sure I've let him go after all this time. I've tried cutting karmic ties with prayer and all, but it still haunts me sometimes.

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Hey, pumpkin :-) *Smoooches*

What was your synastry like? The most exact aspects? Do you think you'll get together at a later time when you are more laid back and wiser and can handle the intense energy ?

posted May 02, 2013 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Hey, pumpkin :-) *Smoooches*

What was your synastry like? The most exact aspects? Do you think you'll get together at a later time when you are more laid back and wiser and can handle the intense energy ?

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What´s your take on the composite? Just curious..

In synastry our most exact aspects are:

(I took the ones within 2 degrees)

Him / Me

Sun sextile Venus 26 Capricorn 26' 3" 27 Scorpio 32'50" 1.1
S Sun square Mars 26 Capricorn 26' 3" 23 Libra 36'32" 2.83
Moon opposition Sun 9 Cancer 45'22" 7 Capricorn 44'53" 2.02
A Moon opposition Mercury 9 Cancer 45'22" 10 Capricorn 46'24" 1.02
Mercury sextile Pluto 2 Capricorn 51' 2" 1 Scorpio 44'49" 1.12
S Mercury sextile Lilith 2 Capricorn 51' 2" 1 Pisces 58'59" 0.88
S Mercury sextile Ceres 2 Capricorn 51' 2" 0 Pisces 57'12" 1.9
Mars conjunction Pluto 3 Scorpio 10'31" 1 Scorpio 44'49" 1.43
S Mars trine Lilith 3 Scorpio 10'31" 1 Pisces 58'59" 1.2
S Mars trine Ceres 3 Scorpio 10'31" 0 Pisces 57'12" 2.22
S Mars square Pallas 3 Scorpio 10'31" 3 Aquarius 39'23" 0.48
Jupiter conjunction Neptune 29 Sagittarius 31' 2" 29 Sagittarius 16'23" 0.25
S Jupiter sextile Pluto 29 Sagittarius 31' 2" 1 Scorpio 44'49" 2.22
S Jupiter sextile Lilith 29 Sagittarius 31' 2" 1 Pisces 58'59" 2.45
S Jupiter sextile Ceres 29 Sagittarius 31' 2" 0 Pisces 57'12" 1.43
Saturn conjunction Saturn 15 Scorpio 9' 0" 13 Scorpio 46'24" 1.38
S Uranus conjunction Uranus 11 Sagittarius 59'41" 11 Sagittarius 1'42" 0.97
A Uranus opposition North Node 11 Sagittarius 59'41" 14 Gemini 37'55" 2.63
Neptune conjunction Neptune 29 Sagittarius 56'23" 29 Sagittarius 16'23" 0.67
S Neptune sextile Pluto 29 Sagittarius 56'23" 1 Scorpio 44'49" 1.8
S Neptune sextile Lilith 29 Sagittarius 56'23" 1 Pisces 58'59" 2.03
S Neptune sextile Ceres 29 Sagittarius 56'23" 0 Pisces 57'12" 1.02
Pluto conjunction Pluto 2 Scorpio 2'27" 1 Scorpio 44'49" 0.3
S Pluto trine Lilith 2 Scorpio 2'27" 1 Pisces 58'59" 0.07
S Pluto trine Ceres 2 Scorpio 2'27" 0 Pisces 57'12" 1.08
North Node opposition Uranus 13 Gemini 39'41" 11 Sagittarius 1'42" 2.63
A North Node conjunction North Node 13 Gemini 39'41" 14 Gemini 37'55" 0.97
Lilith trine Pluto 4 Pisces 2'14" 1 Scorpio 44'49" 2.3
S Lilith conjunction Lilith 4 Pisces 2'14" 1 Pisces 58'59" 2.07
Chiron opposition Venus 27 Taurus 58'11" 27 Scorpio 32'50" 0.43
A Chiron conjunction Chiron 27 Taurus 58'11" 28 Taurus 31'44" 0.55
Juno opposition Pluto 3 Taurus 38'59" 1 Scorpio 44'49" 1.9
Vesta conjunction North Node 13 Gemini 40'29" 14 Gemini 37'55" 0.95
S Vesta sextile Pholus 13 Gemini 40'29" 14 Aries 38'42" 0.97

We also have these powerful aspects, but I don´t know if the orbs are too wide.

Him / Me

posted May 02, 2013 02:40 PM            

It is my belief that he is attracted to men subconciously. However, I think if we were more laid back and wise, or if we hadn´t been so sensitive and wounded/afraid of getting hurt we would become inseparable, like best friends.

posted May 02, 2013 04:11 PM            

That's interesting. So you don't feel crazy emotions? Maybe that's because your Moons aren't too afflicted in synastry/composite. Either way, it's a good thing. The fact that you're so accepting of the situation, it's really cool! Keep it that way. Something may happen, after all.

The composite doesn't look stable, with the prominent Uranus. But there's intensity, for sure - Mars tightly conjuncts Pluto. I think there's sexual tension, here. Maybe that makes him feel uncomfortable? If you guys ever have a "relationship", it may be very on and off, quite erratic emotionally. But you're probably fascinated with each other.

Synastry-wise, I agree with Orange.
Not much going on, to be honest.
Do you have any 12th house connections? It sounds like he puts something in your 12th (Pisces vibe).
Saturn and Pluto are quite strong, and as I said, this usually point to some karma. So the intensity comes from that familiar feeling.

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Originally posted by Orange:
Hey, pumpkin :-) *Smoooches*

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What was your synastry like? The most exact aspects? Do you think you'll get together at a later time when you are more laid back and wiser and can handle the intense energy ?

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I'm not sure if that was directed at me, but I'll reply anyway
I couldn't get over him for like 2 years. I even asked a psychic about what happened cause I would dream of him and the feelings just wouldn't go away.
It was mutual, by the way! Not exactly an unrequited love situation. The psychic confirmed that, but said he isn't my life partner and that we would have been miserable together (he has some serious issues).

I'll join the aspect grid - just to show what I'm talking about, I hope you guys don't mind (I can remove it later if you like).

But just look at Saturn and Mars activity..!
I have the vertical placements.
Orbs reduced to 80%.

posted May 02, 2013 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I dont have time to look at the synastry right now, but there is probably some powerful stuff goin on there if u feel this way. I will say though, that the composite doesnt show true love. It's more likely an obsession, it's also likely he doesn't feel the same way, since a composite that shows true love makes things more equal (since true love is real and based on real common traits that exist between you that you'd both notice)

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What do you mean by "more equal"? What´s not equal in the composite? Is that even possible in a composite chart?

As for the synastry, I agree with you guys that it shows more obsession, or even karma, than true love. I´m not sure what true love looks like synasry - wise though. I guess it´s sun and moon, and we do have an opposition there, so that´s onesign. Other than that, yeah it´s pretty empty.
We do have venus opposition chiron too, and that has been proven to be very powerful in my past so..
Also synastry depends on the natal charts too. Maybe ebcause we are close in age his natal and our synastry is similar. I´m not sure if that would enhance or deminish the attraction/love though.
I am very affected by him probably because of the first house overlays. His mars, pluto and saturn are in my first, so I feel like he puts alot of his energy into me, for whatever reason.

Do I love him? Idk. I want to.
I´m not even sure what true love is tbh. What does it feel like?

I feel like we have an inner world where we can connect, that is almost like a fantasy or illusion. And we both know that it wouldn´t work in reality. But it´s still sweet.

This is how I explain how this connection feels to me:

It´s like walking around in a world full of people that are somehow stronger than you, and you feel so vulnerable, and scared, but you´re not even aware of it. You´ve been feeling so alone and like this for so long that you´ve become numb. Then all of a sudden you meet someone who is just as vulnerable as you. You feel an overwhelming desire to hug them. They even remind you of yourself look-wise. Almost like they´re your lost twin.
BUT, then you freak out and realise what you´ve encountered. All your vulnerabilities that you run away from and sucessfully so, are now starting to double. It´s like you are forced to face them every time you see him. You just want to run for your life away from him. So you do..
Then you get home and think "Thank god I don´t have to see him today and tomorrow cuz it hurts!"
The after two days you see him in school again. You avoid eachother, you look down and force yourself to detach. Then your body starts to fee so much tension, almost like you´re in pain, and the only thing that will make you feel better is if he comes and sits next to you. Than he does, out of the blue, just like that. Then you start feeling a sick feling in your stomach, like he repulses you. Then he just gets up and leaves out of the blue.

Then you´re at home for days just relaxing thinking life is good, but that guy.. What are you gonna do about that guy? You come to the conclusion that you have to become friends. You have to start talking, because this tension isn´t healthy. So you come to school and you see him, he´s looking all tense and unsure, likehe´s trying to do something to connect with you. So you catch his nervous gaze and you both say hi at the same time, almost whispering, so that only you two can hear it.

posted May 02, 2013 04:28 PM            

yes, it was meant for you of course.

ok, your synastry does look heavy and unhappy. Saturn will keep making you hold on to it, for both of you, even only in your mind, but ultimately, it is not a happy union.
synastric Saturn opposite Chiron (almost) always ends relationships at one point or another.

posted May 02, 2013 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Little Doe,

That's interesting. So you don't feel crazy emotions? Maybe that's because your Moons aren't too afflicted in synastry/composite. Either way, it's a good thing. The fact that you're so accepting of the situation, it's really cool! Keep it that way. Something may happen, after all.

The composite doesn't look stable, with the prominent Uranus. But there's intensity, for sure - Mars tightly conjuncts Pluto. I think there's sexual tension, here. Maybe that makes him feel uncomfortable? If you guys ever have a "relationship", it may be very on and off, quite erratic emotionally. But you're probably fascinated with each other.

Synastry-wise, I agree with Orange.
Not much going on, to be honest.
Do you have any 12th house connections? It sounds like he puts something in your 12th (Pisces vibe).
Saturn and Pluto are quite strong, and as I said, this usually point to some karma. So the intensity comes from that familiar feeling.

I'm not sure if that was directed at me, but I'll reply anyway
I couldn't get over him for like 2 years. I even asked a psychic about what happened cause I would dream of him and the feelings just wouldn't go away.
It was mutual, by the way! Not exactly an unrequited love situation. The psychic confirmed that, but said he isn't my life partner and that we would have been miserable together (he has some serious issues).

I'll join the aspect grid - just to show what I'm talking about, I hope you guys don't mind (I can remove it later if you like).

But just look at Saturn and Mars activity..!
I have the vertical placements.
Orbs reduced to 80%.

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Nope, no 12th house overlays, thank God. Been there, done that. It was no good. :/

Mosstly I feel the 1st house overlays. It´s almost animalistic, and instinctual. I FEEL him and he feels me when we are around eachother, but as soon as we´re away (at home) I´m good. No obsession, just relaxing from the intensity during the day/week.

posted May 02, 2013 04:35 PM            

I can relate to what you describe.
I'm not sure what "true love" feels like, but I know what it's like when someone actually touches your soul.

I hope things will turn out just fine for you ~

Orange,

I know, right.
It's too bad. I mean, I honestly thought we were meant to be, I felt like I could have done anything to be with that person. I've never felt that way about anyone afterwards. Maybe it's a good thing, though!

posted May 02, 2013 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Doux,

yes, it was meant for you of course.

ok, your synastry does look heavy and unhappy. Saturn will keep making you hold on to it, for both of you, even only in your mind, but ultimately, it is not a happy union.
synastric Saturn opposite Chiron (almost) always ends relationships at one point or another.

Find yourself a nice Fishy with an airy Moon!

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