posted May 04, 2013 01:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
intimidate relationships become all consuming,when it's turned off,don't feel anything at all

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posted May 04, 2013 04:14 AM            

Remember you said I have trouble forgetting past hurts.All credits go to my Hades moon

posted May 04, 2013 02:55 PM              

Actually I don't hold grudges, I can't really agree with the statement that Pluto-Moon people hold grudges. At the time something is going on/someone has wronged me, I'll complain bitterly and loudly about it, but once I'm away from the situation or have them out of my life, I get over stuff fast and don't hold on to it.

I don't even like the catchphrase "hades moon" because of all the imagery it conjures up that I just can't relate to. Hell, the underworld, everybody thinks that Pluto Moons are these vindictive, emotionally-tortured people and that's so silly to me because I can't relate to that at all. I read "Healing Pluto Problems" and wondered what the hell the author was talking about because I had none of those traits or any of those issues.

My mom was an amazing parent and never suffocating or abusive either. I don't have control issues like the stereotypical interpretations either, although I'm usually misread as being that way by weaker, more timid people who confuse having a strong, outgoing personality with wanting to dominate others.

I'm not particularly jealous-hearted either, and I don't get off into revenge-trips...basically the only Pluto Moon descriptors that I relate to is being very emotional, and I suss out vibes and pick up on things in situations and people that most others, don't. In a way that's not necessarily the best trait because sometimes I just wanna believe everybody and adore everyone but my B.S. detector is just too strong.

There's a trait that was mentioned in another thread a few days ago though about people who just drop others cold and vanish - I definitely do do that. Initially I figured it had to be a Neptunian "thing", but folks here are probably right that it's Pluto, although I don't agree that it's Mercury-Pluto; I think my Moon-Pluto makes me do that. If I don't like you or you've done enough to alienate me from you, or if I feel like I can't trust you...I really don't want to sit and argue about it or have a long discussion before I leave, to me it makes no sense and there's nothing left to say anyway so I just GO. If it's to the point that I feel like I want to, go what you did was probably bad enough that really you don't deserve for me to take the time and stop to tell you I'm leaving anyway. I let you figure it out on your own after I'm gone.

posted May 04, 2013 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Chirp:

Another thing that is true of Pluto-Moon is that we're strong emotionally - I honestly believe that I can take way more than the average person without breaking down or falling apart psychologically and I think it's due to Moon-Pluto. I've shared difficult situations with other people and have had them tell me later that during that time they felt suicidal and I was like, "Really? Seriously? It wasn't THAT bad."

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posted May 04, 2013 03:21 PM              

My mother, unfortunately, was abusive towards me, verbally, emotionally, and physically. She also worried a lot yet tried giving me as much freedom as I desired but I know it was hard for her. She's very bossy, always in my business and has a hard time letting me be "me." I know I saved her from dying at one point in her life though which I think is Moon/Pluto related. She's very dramatic too. I don't think I'm dramatic about every day things but if I'm hurt I may overreact. I try not to though and I try to let me emotions cool down before I decide my next course of action.

posted May 04, 2013 03:38 PM            

My water placements are all in the pluto decan and my Pluto is an Air Singleton.

I end all relationships. I "feel" people and I see straight through them. When I go cold, I go COLD. I live for today and never dwell in past.

I am not jealous.

If you cross me, badly, I will.....scratches head......I will...wait for the right moment to show you what I think of it....and I'll wait years...

I am a sponge for emotions to the point where I have to be alone a lot.

I am very private.

Very analytical.

posted May 04, 2013 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I have a Hades Moon. (Libra Pluto 2H sq Cap Moon 5H). Pluto is also sq my Sun and Merc.

My water placements are all in the pluto decan and my Pluto is an Air Singleton.

I end all relationships. I "feel" people and I see straight through them. When I go cold, I go COLD. I live for today and never dwell in past.

I am not jealous.

If you cross me, badly, I will.....scratches head......I will...wait for the right moment to show you what I think of it....and I'll wait years...

I am a sponge for emotions to the point where I have to be alone a lot.

I am very private.

Very analytical.

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posted May 04, 2013 05:42 PM            

also, there can be a sense of always wanting to get the upperhand, as in, due to trust issues, fear of emotional vulnerability, unhealthy egos, etc... there can be an attitude of 'i will cut you off before you cut me off'...,i need to have the last say.

posted May 04, 2013 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
i think that one of the negative things about this aspect is that one can be very intolerant....
about people's flaws and ubersensitive about other people's actions.
the entire deal with cutting people off and....ending relationships....just like that, when, the person who has this aspect is no more/less perfect than others...
the other person didnt mean any harm...the hades mooner is the one who is cutting the person of, because he sees the negative qualities within, on the other person.
some times, hades mooners can find themselves then...digging their own grave with self-fulfilling prophecies, biting more that it could chew...you know, the scorpio being stung by nobody but him/herself...
so yes, there can be a degree of intolerance.
it can be a 'pretentious' aspect...

also, there can be a sense of always wanting to get the upperhand, as in, due to trust issues, fear of emotional vulnerability, unhealthy egos, etc... there can be an attitude of 'i will cut you off before you cut me off'...,i need to have the last say.

- hades mooner here

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Intolerant....yes, very!

posted May 04, 2013 05:58 PM              

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Originally posted by hikoro:
i think that one of the negative things about this aspect is that one can be very intolerant....
about people's flaws and ubersensitive about other people's actions.
the entire deal with cutting people off and....ending relationships....just like that, when, the person who has this aspect is no more/less perfect than others...
the other person didnt mean any harm...the hades mooner is the one who is cutting the person of, because he sees the negative qualities within, on the other person.
some times, hades mooners can find themselves then...digging their own grave with self-fulfilling prophecies, biting more that it could chew...you know, the scorpio being stung by nobody but him/herself...
so yes, there can be a degree of intolerance.
it can be a 'pretentious' aspect...

also, there can be a sense of always wanting to get the upperhand, as in, due to trust issues, fear of emotional vulnerability, unhealthy egos, etc... there can be an attitude of 'i will cut you off before you cut me off'...,i need to have the last say.

- hades mooner here

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posted May 04, 2013 07:16 PM            

#takecare

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Sometimes, truth isn't good enough, sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded.

posted May 05, 2013 02:15 AM              

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Originally posted by hikoro:
i think that one of the negative things about this aspect is that one can be very intolerant....
about people's flaws and ubersensitive about other people's actions.
the entire deal with cutting people off and....ending relationships....just like that, when, the person who has this aspect is no more/less perfect than others...
the other person didnt mean any harm...the hades mooner is the one who is cutting the person of, because he sees the negative qualities within, on the other person.
some times, hades mooners can find themselves then...digging their own grave with self-fulfilling prophecies, biting more that it could chew...you know, the scorpio being stung by nobody but him/herself...
so yes, there can be a degree of intolerance.
it can be a 'pretentious' aspect...

also, there can be a sense of always wanting to get the upperhand, as in, due to trust issues, fear of emotional vulnerability, unhealthy egos, etc... there can be an attitude of 'i will cut you off before you cut me off'...,i need to have the last say.

- hades mooner here

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*thinks about this*

Uh...

Nah.

See, the thing is this - I have Venus square Neptune, and Neptune is in the 11th house (friends, hopes, wishes, humanitarianism). Actually, most of my planetary midpoints, including sun/moon, square Neptune. If anything I'm more inclined toward taking crap off of people over...and over...and over. So like I said, when I finally up and go it's because they did something really out of line, or were constantly treating me like crap or someone I care about like crap.

Projection? Not really a Pluto phenomenon, no - that's more of a seventh house thing. Is my sun in the seventh? Sure, so's my Mercury, but I'm a fairly lucid, rational thinker because Mercury aspects Saturn and Pluto, and there's no hard aspect between the sun and neptune in my chart that gives me a tendency towards self-delusion or projection or confusing my own self with other people. Plus my moon is in an air sign, so while I'm emotional I do have a certain amount of ability to step outside of myself and be objective. I always have a very clear sense of what is "mine" and what isn't; I'm very self-aware. Trust me, every person I disliked/gave the cold shoulder to/abandoned like that, the issue was clearly with them and what they were doing, more so than myself.

Do I believe I'm perfect? Hell no; no one can be a more brutal critic towards me than I am towards myself; I just don't care to broadcast that usually. But every person I abandoned, it wasn't because they were human, it was because...they were actually abusive toward me in one way or another. We aren't talking about something like them farting so I stop acknowledging their existence. If every time I speak to you, you bite my head off and say something cruel, I'm really not obligated to continue "enjoying" your company and if I leave that doesn't mean I'm the one with the issue. To me that's as silly as saying a victim of spousal abuse thinks they're better than their abusive husband because they finally got fed up and took off. Hey, who does she think she is, right? Everybody has flaws.

I'm not pretentious at all, either - in fact the primary complaint I get from people is that I'm too blunt, too outgoing, too weird, too bold, too crass, too vulgar...I don't really do a whole lot of bsing and putting on airs.

posted May 05, 2013 06:17 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:

I end all relationships. I "feel" people and I see straight through them. When I go cold, I go COLD. I live for today and never dwell in past.

I am not jealous.

If you cross me, badly, I will.....scratches head......I will...wait for the right moment to show you what I think of it....and I'll wait years...

I am a sponge for emotions to the point where I have to be alone a lot.

I am very private.

Very analytical.

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^ This would have to be the best description of how this aspect manifests for me, on this thread.

I used to be the epitome of the jealous, controlling, black and white mentality, overwhelming emotions, etc. After a few traumatic experiences, I changed drastically (how Plutonian, heh).

Now it usually doesn't manifest that way.
The way it works for me, is a very perceptive mind - I can see through people if I really want to. Not that my judgement never gets cloudy, though.
I see things other people usually miss, have a very analytical mind. I can easily see patterns, and know exactly what to do in order to break them. When I give advice, it's straight-forward, I don't beat around the bush. "Here is your problem, the origin of the problem is this, so you have to focus on that to improve your situation".

I was a very fragile kid, extremely sensitive and my teenager years were extremely difficult - I was self-destructive and bitter.
The relationship with my mother was not - and is not - an easy one. She is definitely the Plutonian mother figure and we have a lot of power struggles.

But now that I'm a bit older, I can deal with things in a more grounded manner. I've had to learn the hard way - no gifts, here. It's been a very personal and deep experience.

I don't feel bitter anymore. I don't hold grudges, and I try my best to give people a second chance.

One thing remains though: the depth. If something or someone really touches me, it's like an ocean of feeling. I almost never go to that place anymore, but it's something I'm glad I can experience. Most people don't dive that deep, but it's a fascinating experience - to just feel with all your being.. The best way to access that place for me is through music (Moon sextile Venus) and prayer (Moon sextile Jupiter).

I admit that I have controlling tendencies and that's been the main problem in all my relationships and in my life generally. The fear of letting go. I'm working on it - transiting Neptune square ASC has been of tremendous help, so far.

But to conclude: I think Moon/Pluto in hard aspect is all about security. Feeling safe is extremely important to us, but here is the thing: we can't count on external things for that feeling of security. No matter how much we cling to things/people, we will never feel safe unless we master an inner sense of peace and contentment. It's about our inner resources - one of our biggest lessons is to learn to stand alone and be okay with it. Not rely on anything or anyone in a fundamental way, but know deep down that we are strong by ourselves and nothing and no one can take that feeling of security away from us. That's why most of us experience some form of loss in childhood and throughout our lives (especially the psychological kind) - it forces us to learn to be self-reliant and not cling or depend on material things.

Ultimately we become aware of the inconsistency of things and accept that as a part of life.

I definitely think it gets better with age for us, Moon/Pluto folks.

posted May 05, 2013 07:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

But to conclude: I think Moon/Pluto in hard aspect is all about security. Feeling safe is extremely important to us, but here is the thing: we can't count on external things for that feeling of security. No matter how much we cling to things/people, we will never feel safe unless we master an inner sense of peace and contentment. It's about our inner resources - one of our biggest lessons is to learn to stand alone and be okay with it. Not rely on anything or anyone in a fundamental way, but know deep down that we are strong by ourselves and nothing and no one can take that feeling of security away from us. That's why most of us experience some form of loss in childhood and throughout our lives (especially the psychological kind) - it forces us to learn to be self-reliant and not cling or depend on material things.

Ultimately we become aware of the inconsistency of things and accept that as a part of life.

I definitely think it gets better with age for us, Moon/Pluto folks.

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posted May 05, 2013 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

I definitely think it gets better with age for us, Moon/Pluto folks.

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Yeah definitely.

Am very good at giving advice too,very good at psycho analyzing people,at times I think I missed my vocation,I should have gone into psychology instead. But TBH, I suck at taking my own advice.

There are few descriptions in this thread that I don't relate to at all.I've never wanted to self destruct myself.Even at my darkest moments.I have a deep profound faith and trust in God that,I know,saves me from myself lol,if that makes sense.

posted May 05, 2013 10:19 AM              

Also I wonder how much of this is mitigated by the type of aspect. Most of the comments I've seen here say it's either a square or an opposition, or don't mention whether it's a hard or soft aspect at all. Mine is a conjunction, so it's not a hard aspect which might explain why it plays out differently on my end and none of this is relatable to me.

I swear I always feel like the odd one out in threads like this, because everybody's always sitting around commiserating on how all the stereotypical descriptions fit them and I'm like, "I can't relate dude. Sorry".

I remember once on another forum years ago I said that my mother wasn't abusive in a thread about Pluto-Moon and another member tried to insist that she had to have been and that I blocked it out or was in denial. Mind you, this woman didn't even know me and based this entirely on the fact that I had Pluto in aspect to the moon.

posted May 05, 2013 11:04 AM            

I don't fear rejection AT ALL. We at least have that in common.

I remember that time when one of my colleagues arranged a meeting with one of his friends.He never called me back.In all honesty,I was hoping he wouldn't call because I wasn't that into him and I don't like initiating the rejection dance.It's one thing I seriously suck at,cause I think of the other person feelings more than mine!

posted May 05, 2013 02:46 PM              

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
^^ hehe,the part when you said that you are confused if you are not rejected made me laugh out loud

I don't fear rejection AT ALL. We at least have that in common.

I remember that time when one of my colleagues arranged a meeting with one of his friends.He never called me back.In all honesty,I was hoping he wouldn't call because I wasn't that into him and I don't like initiating the rejection dance.It's one thing I seriously suck at,cause I think of the other person feelings more than mine!

Not relating to the typical descriptions out there, makes you unique I don't either.I only take the bits I relate to.

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The last guy who expressed interest in me, had to hit me over the head with it and even then I was like, "Whaaaa?"; way back in high school, a student-teacher said "Who is Ms Gorgeous back there?" and I turned around to see who he was talking to.