posted May 06, 2013 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
The Ascendant is your "Outer Ego" while the Sun is your "Inner Ego". Depends what one understands by "Soul". This theory - where the ASC is suppose to be our soul - simply doesn't hold.

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posted May 06, 2013 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by sharpei:
im gemini rising and DO NOT WANT to be gemini sun in my next life!! do you really believe this is true - what are the alternative views on reincarnation and ones next sun sign?

i want to be like an aries or pisces not a gemini ugh- ok ill compromise and can do libra!

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posted May 06, 2013 03:54 PM            

I don't really believe that, though..no one knows if reincarnation actually happens in the first place..and there are so many differing opinions and beliefs about astrology and each planet/point and the aspects and blah blah blah..who knows?

posted May 06, 2013 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Being a Gemini (or any other sign) has nothing to do with being happy... Repressed feelings tend to prolong the pain, as - they can hunt you for a longer period of time - opened wounds that can't heal unless their dealt with. Maybe Geminis can hide their emotions - but that's just an illusion for exterior eyes. If you could see what's in people's hearth - you'd see a Gemini who's trying to look cheerful and happy on the outside - while crying inside... but most people can't really see that - they see just the illusion it feeds them. The thing is - a Gemini can't silence the mind and when dealing with emotional issues - the mind tries to deal with them by using logic (can't help it - it's in the nature of a Gemini). All that does is - keeping the mind active on a emotional issue - thus, keeping the emotional pain active... until things get cleared with the other party (person). Maybe some Geminis can detach easier - like those whom beyond the Sun - have the Moon, Mercury and Mars in Gemini... but it doesn't work for all Geminis. So, careful what you wish for Little Doe...

PS.I am Gemini.

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I've ALWAYS wondered this. I know Air signs aren't nearly as detached or unfeeling or aloof or whatever you want to call it, as people/books make them out to be. Emotions are just processed differently. You have to make sense of them, which means the thoughts are just running rampant until they fall into place, if they ever do. What happens when you can't rationalize something though? Do you just brush it off and forget about it? Or become a detective and get to the bottom?

Sorry for high-jacking the thread.. I just couldn't let this go unresponded to..

posted May 06, 2013 05:00 PM              

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
Like it or not you're pretty much really Gemini just by having it as your Asc. As you grow older you become more and more like your Asc so good luck! Embrace it though, there's a lesson to learn from your Asc in order to ascend~ hahaha

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Actually it's your North Node you have to learn how to "be" in order to progress, not your ascendant. In Western Astrology anyway. If someone follows a different style of astrology you can't really expect them to follow the rules of the one you adhere to. Extreme example but it's like expecting Jews to celebrate Christmas because you do, it makes no sense.

posted May 06, 2013 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Chirp:
Actually it's your North Node you have to learn how to "be" in order to progress, not your ascendant. In Western Astrology anyway. If someone follows a different style of astrology you can't really expect them to follow the rules of the one you adhere to. Extreme example but it's like expecting Jews to celebrate Christmas because you do, it makes no sense.

That aside, in western astrology they say that when you're a kid you behave more like your moon sign, and then as you get older you become more like your sun, and that your ascendant is just how you appear on the outside in terms of your physical body and general mannerisms - the total first impression you give off, basically.

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posted May 06, 2013 06:04 PM              

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
Yeah, extreme example! I'm just basing this on things I've read.. and I was meaning it as in 'lesson' like an example: Libra Rising learning to not be indecisive in love and other relationships in order for them to ascend or a better word for your understanding.. ~succeed~ in relationships. I'm trying to get the point across that the Asc is important and shouldn't be blown off... it's called the ASCENDant for a reason. I wasn't talking about the 'divine life lesson' the NN brings, that's a whole other thing.

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Yeah, in Esoteric Astrology - which, again, is a totally separate, independent branch from Western Astrology with it's own rulerships and totally different system - the ascendant is what you're supposed to work towards, and develop into.

Not everybody believes in or practices, Esoteric Astrology. But to leave that bit out, that that concept only applies in that particular brand of astrology, was somewhat misleading. Again, in Western, the North Node is what you're supposed to be developing into or working towards. It might be something different in Esoteric Astrology, but I don't practice or believe in Esoteric Astrology. I have no fault with anyone that does, but trying to pass off that system and its rules as though it is modern western astrology doesn't make sense to me.

posted May 06, 2013 06:06 PM              

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
Yeah, extreme example! I'm just basing this on things I've read.. and I was meaning it as in 'lesson' like an example: Libra Rising learning to not be indecisive in love and other relationships in order for them to ascend or a better word for your understanding.. ~succeed~ in relationships. I'm trying to get the point across that the Asc is important and shouldn't be blown off... it's called the ASCENDant for a reason. I wasn't talking about the 'divine life lesson' the NN brings, that's a whole other thing.

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Yeah, in Esoteric Astrology - which, again, is a totally separate, independent branch from Western Astrology with it's own rulerships and totally different system - the ascendant is what you're supposed to work towards, and develop into.

Not everybody believes in or practices, Esoteric Astrology. But to leave that bit out, that that concept only applies in that particular brand of astrology, was somewhat misleading. Again, in Western, the North Node is what you're supposed to be developing into or working towards. It might be something different in Esoteric Astrology, but I don't practice or believe in Esoteric Astrology. I have no fault with anyone that does, but trying to pass off that system and its rules as though it is modern western astrology doesn't make sense to me.

posted May 06, 2013 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Being a Gemini (or any other sign) has nothing to do with being happy... Repressed feelings tend to prolong the pain, as - they can hunt you for a longer period of time - opened wounds that can't heal unless their dealt with. Maybe Geminis can hide their emotions - but that's just an illusion for exterior eyes. If you could see what's in people's hearth - you'd see a Gemini who's trying to look cheerful and happy on the outside - while crying inside... but most people can't really see that - they see just the illusion it feeds them. The thing is - a Gemini can't silence the mind and when dealing with emotional issues - the mind tries to deal with them by using logic (can't help it - it's in the nature of a Gemini). All that does is - keeping the mind active on a emotional issue - thus, keeping the emotional pain active... until things get cleared with the other party (person). Maybe some Geminis can detach easier - like those whom beyond the Sun - have the Moon, Mercury and Mars in Gemini... but it doesn't work for all Geminis. So, careful what you wish for Little Doe...

PS.I am Gemini.

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I know you guys are really sensitive and emotional. I was just referring to the stereotype descriptions of you guys. It always says that you intellectualize and repress feelings too much. (I know it´s a silly stereotype, and not true).

The real reason why I want to be a gemini is because you guys Rock! *serious face*

You´re original, smart, cool, pretty. I idolize you. (I´m just a boring, emo cap/scorp)

But you know what, My NN is in gemini. So hopefully one day, I´ll learn to be just like you!

posted May 07, 2013 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I am Pisces rising, and in my next life, I would love to be Aries rising. I would love to be a me, me, ME! kind of person.

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posted May 07, 2013 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
As you grow older you become more and more like your Asc so good luck! Embrace it though, there's a lesson to learn from your Asc in order to ascend~ hahaha

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Oh no

I already have a disliking of my ASC (personality wise anyway. physical descriptions minus the face seems to be off for me).

And I certainly wouldn't want it as a sun sign. :/

posted May 07, 2013 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
I've ALWAYS wondered this. I know Air signs aren't nearly as detached or unfeeling or aloof or whatever you want to call it, as people/books make them out to be. Emotions are just processed differently. You have to make sense of them, which means the thoughts are just running rampant until they fall into place, if they ever do. What happens when you can't rationalize something though? Do you just brush it off and forget about it? Or become a detective and get to the bottom?

Sorry for high-jacking the thread.. I just couldn't let this go unresponded to..

Back to Asendants and our futures

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It's not that one can't make sense of his thoughts - it's more like "a need for confirmation" from the other party on pinpointing the "right issue (cause it's not just one thought - but all possible thoughts one can think of)". Sometimes, there's no issue to begin with - it's just that the other party starts behaving in a way that doesn't make sense "unless there would be an issue - so the Gemini mind switches to alert mode - until things get cleared". And until that happens - you can't really shake it off and forget about it - on the contrary... the thoughts keep piling up. If a Gemini cares about you, let's say he's your best friend (doesn't have to be your bf) - have a good time with him, then shun him the next day (an example of - of behaving in a way that doesn't make sense), give him the silent treatment - at first he'll text you, mail you - with simple questions (is something wrong/did i do something wrong?) - latter he'll send you long mails with all that he thinks - it might have went wrong. Short answers like - "it's nothing/you did nothing wrong" - simply won't do at that point... even though - for the time being... he might act like he's satisfied with that answer - while catching his breath (from to much over-thinking and worrying) - cause eventually he'll need a better/clear answer - to get over this.

posted May 07, 2013 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Little Doe:
7th... I was just joking! :)

I know you guys are really sensitive and emotional. I was just referring to the stereotype descriptions of you guys. It always says that you intellectualize and repress feelings too much. (I know it´s a silly stereotype, and not true).

The real reason why I want to be a gemini is because you guys Rock! *serious face*

You´re original, smart, cool, pretty. I idolize you. (I´m just a boring, emo cap/scorp)

But you know what, My NN is in gemini. So hopefully one day, I´ll learn to be just like you! :)

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No we don't... "Earth" signs Rock! ^^ Air signs Blow! :D!

Heeeey! ^^ Are you playing ego games? :) ...cause that sounds a bit manipulative. Compliments are basically Ego Food and those are nice compliments that everybody would like to hear - but, you don't know me on a personal level to appraise me in such way... :) And, It's not that i can't take a compliment, but - that's a bit to much based on what and how much you know about me (one would have been enough). Don't you agree? :) And that - without taking in consideration the idolization part...as, I'm not sure what to make of that :) - but here... my 5'th post on lindaland: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/215016.html - Trust me on this one, you wouldn't want to be a Gemini when dealing with depression (that's probbaly the worst combination from all zodiac) - as we tend to see things a lot worst than they really are while over-thinking our situation.

See, I'm not that special... ^^ I got over that period and you can do it as well. And you will, change comes for all of us - whether we like or not. So if you don't like the one you are right now - just aim for a better you, chose a new direction and don't take other people as examples - take what you need (what suits you) but don't aim to be like others. For one thing... you can't be like someone else as that spot is already taken - and if you really knew what there life is really about (every minute, every hour, every day...) - maybe you wouldn't want that life anyway. It just wouldn't be you, as we can only feel better in our own skin.

posted May 07, 2013 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpioMoon:
I've read about this theory in other threads on this forum. I wouldn't like to be a Pisces in my next life. I'd rather be a masculine sign like Aquarius. I'd prefer if a majority of my chart was air so I could be more objective. Being that I am water dominant, I tend to take things too personally/seriously.

I wonder what determines your next life moon, rising, and so on if anything?

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Air dominant people are emotional too. In fact they dont know what to do with their emotions when tey cant rationalize them away. I think water signs are better at understanding their own emotionsbut we only hae that understanding bc we dwell on them so much so its like a catch 22 hahaha