posted May 08, 2013 11:59 AM            

Is it just me or does Libra moon tend to subtly start conflict just to inflict peace? Or is it the fact that my boyfriend is an Aries Sun/Libra moon? His Aries Mercury is in the 7th house so he's super argumentative but hates conflict!

How TF does THAT work?
How are you gonna start an argument or a debate and not expect anyone to disagree with you? I don't get it...

posted May 08, 2013 01:31 PM              

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Originally posted by goatcat:
This goes for Sun in Libra, Moon, Mercury, and Libra Rising. Maybe Mars in Libra too cuz my mom has that.

One thing I don't get about Libra is that in trying to avoid sounding rude and mean, they end up sounding rude and mean when trying to cover up a command or an insult with a sweet voice and a snicker. My Libra Rising, Libra Moon, Mercury in 7th boyfriend does this as well as a manager of mine and my teacher who are both solar Libras.

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I think it depends, because I have Libra Moon and if anything my problem is being too blunt and trying to learn how to word things in a way that doesn't make everybody cry...without giving myself a headache and nosebleed from the effort.

Intentionally starting conflict is more of an Aries thing, but sometimes if Librans think that the only way things will get better is to lance the wound - and by that I mean, go ahead and have it out with someone - we'll do that to get to the peace on the other side of that, but that's a last resort; we do it when absolutely necessary.

posted May 08, 2013 02:37 PM            

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goatcat: I say what I mean and mean what I say and kinda expect others to do the same.

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Libra Mercury here! I can't stand people who have the "say what you mean, mean what you say" ideology...because I 900% of the time don't say what I mean, and sometimes don't mean what I say. And it works just fine; I'm an excellent communicator who can easily befriend and win people over.

posted May 08, 2013 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by goatcat:
How are you gonna start an argument or a debate and not expect anyone to disagree with you? I don't get it...

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Speaking of Libra in general, our energy is to view people differently from ideas. That is we like to exercise our minds and to weigh ideas and that means a debate--as opposed to an argument--is a FUN thing (more like a game than criticism). It can be such that we'll provide an opposing view (to balance the scales) even if it's not a view we'd normally promote. Unfortunately, many people take having their ideas debated as a personal attack which leads to conflict instead of debate and then Libra can backtrack in a hurry trying to restore the harmony.

Another way Libra can come off as trying to start trouble is Libra tries to be FAIR instead of choosing sides (as when people are fair it promotes harmony in the long run, and ideally everyone comes out happy), and a lot of people don't like that, even consider it base treachery, and a big problem is by trying to be fair to everyone then everyone assumes Libra is taking the side of the other and again Libra is catching flak from everyone instead of just one side.

posted May 08, 2013 04:14 PM            

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PixieJane: ...that means a debate--as opposed to an argument--is a FUN thing [...] Unfortunately, many people take having their ideas debated as a personal attack which leads to conflict instead of debate

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Ugh I hate that!!!!!!!!!! I enjoy providing different view points and arguing flaws in theories (one of the ways of finding truths is through disproving something incorrect), but sometimes it's taken personally and they get offended and end up trying to fight. There's no shame in being wrong, nor is there shame in thinking up an idea that's wrong - to me any ways.

posted May 08, 2013 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Libra Mercury here! I can't stand people who have the "say what you mean, mean what you say" ideology...because I 900% of the time don't say what I mean, and sometimes don't mean what I say. And it works just fine; I'm an excellent communicator who can easily befriend and win people over.

That aside, the thing about air signs, and Libra in particular, is that they are demanding. But not directly! They are demanding in an indirect way. They won't make it clear that they want this this and this from you or that they don't want it, but allude to it - they want to convey expectations in a soft and comfortable way, not brashly or firmly, for that could leave a bad impression. The funny thing, too, is Libras often easily have people around their pinky fingers.

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posted May 09, 2013 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
It can be such that we'll provide an opposing view (to balance the scales) even if it's not a view we'd normally promote.

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This **** right here!
My boyfriend does this and it grinds my gears, PixieJane...
As a Capricorn, I cannot bring up ideas that I wouldn't promote because I would then begin to feel dishonest in my argument. I always tell my boyfriend, "We're not talking about other people! We're talking about us!".
This is possibly the only thing that really sets me off when it comes to Libra. The fact that Libra is comfortable with this is probably another way Air signs can do that detachment thing.

posted May 09, 2013 12:58 AM            

So one day I had a Honey Butter Chicken Biscuit for the first time and my bf asked me how it tasted. The biscuit was good but it wasn't to die for so I told him "it tasted how I would imagine chicken tender on a biscuit would taste". He hated my answer because "anyone can say that".

I've noticed that Libras hate vagueness. My Libran teacher will completely ignore you if the answer to her question is vague. She won't assist you or anything.

posted May 09, 2013 01:00 AM            

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Originally posted by CatMote:
oh goodness...
i am a mercurial aries, which loves to provoke arguments, and a libra ASC.
let me tell you, i will argue devils advocate for anything.

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posted May 09, 2013 01:02 AM              

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Originally posted by CatMote:
oh goodness...
i am a mercurial aries, which loves to provoke arguments, and a libra ASC.
let me tell you, i will argue devils advocate for anything.

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posted May 09, 2013 01:15 AM            

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Originally posted by GiggityGirl:
And yes, if someone isnt keeping up, they wont realize hes insulted them, always followed by "just kidding".

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posted May 09, 2013 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by goatcat:

cover up a command or an insult with a sweet voice and a snicker.

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posted May 09, 2013 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Lol a lot of the things they say are half joke and half truth. They throw jokes around with a little smirk. They keep it light and reel you in, spin you ‘round and ‘round. Mind games lol. Just give your boyfriend a taste of his medicine. I do that to my husband and he loves it. It helps to keep the romance alive and fun

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posted May 09, 2013 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Chirp:
It's gotta be the Aries talking because they LOVE to fight, it gets their blood going and makes em feel alive. If there's nothing to fight about they will FIND something to get an argument going about. Remember Aries is ruled by Mars. I've known more than a few Aries-heavy people, some family members (my own brother is an Aries rising and hell on wheels), some not. But the one thing they all have in common is that they genuinely seem to love conflict.

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truth. im a really tame guy though, its all that water in my chart. my brother is a scorpio- he is the emotionally intense argue-er. im sure you could imagine the arguments we get into...aries and scorp...lol

posted May 09, 2013 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Speaking of Libra in general, our energy is to view people differently from ideas. That is we like to exercise our minds and to weigh ideas and that means a debate--as opposed to an argument--is a FUN thing (more like a game than criticism). It can be such that we'll provide an opposing view (to balance the scales) even if it's not a view we'd normally promote. Unfortunately, many people take having their ideas debated as a personal attack which leads to conflict instead of debate and then Libra can backtrack in a hurry trying to restore the harmony.

Another way Libra can come off as trying to start trouble is Libra tries to be FAIR instead of choosing sides (as when people are fair it promotes harmony in the long run, and ideally everyone comes out happy), and a lot of people don't like that, even consider it base treachery, and a big problem is by trying to be fair to everyone then everyone assumes Libra is taking the side of the other and again Libra is catching flak from everyone instead of just one side.

That aside, I could see an Aries Sun/Libra Moon being especially prone to starting conflicts or taking spontaneous action in order to be fair but is especially disruptive, though it may still be with a view of long term harmony.

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I definitely agree with this. I did this yesterday with another user. I was genuinely and honestly trying to help but due to my approach and choice of words, things went the wrong way fast. I should have just left it alone much earlier. At the end of the day, I was trying to get the user to see peace and harmony within his self. Still though, I do feel I could have handled the situation better.

On another note, I say that Libra Mooners try not to take sides because we honestly do see both sides of the coin and can see merit in both arguments/stances.

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted May 09, 2013 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
I do feel I could have handled the situation better

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At least you meant well. I know about taking the wrong approach at times, and I have learned at times not to involve myself, or to do so very carefully.

posted May 09, 2013 10:40 PM            

The things I value most in my life as a Libra dominant are peace and calm. I am also a romanticist at a time it isn't fashionable to be that way but it's part of who I am and I will not give it up. I idealize existence and yearn for everyone to be happy in life.

It seems like sun Librans I meet are similar to this. Usually they like to get along with others, especially the women. Maybe this is the key to understanding the Libra sun, since this luminary is weak in Libra?

The Libra rising sign is a bit different than the sun so it doesn't do much good to think of it in terms of that although you can somewhat because of the first house. Libra does not do well with sun/first house matters generally, it's Aries territory so Libra is at odds with the concepts of "me," "I," "ego," "self interest." Maybe this is why you struggle to grasp your Libra riser bf?

I am great at arguing and can be really stubborn about stuff. I like having my way too much. On top of having this sign, I am also an only child with many easy aspects in my natal chart. My Libra stellium is around the ascendants of many family members, too, which means I got their attention more often than not growing up, didn't have to share with others.

Having Libra on the ascendant can definitely mean someone who likes to lavish on themselves. It can be a bit narcissistic. It's the sign of the other on the ascendant so what can be expected? It's not supposed to be on house one, house seven, rather. Maybe that's why Libra on the ascendant can create some complicated and twisted characters? It also seems to be a popular ascendant for some reason, meaning many seem to have it. Maybe, it's because people try to mold their kids into the Libra archetype during childhood? They want their kids to be charming, diplomatic, social, and plenty of parents spoil their kids these days which is also possible with this ascendant and Sagittarius, too. So we see many people born with this sign rising.