posted May 14, 2013 11:16 AM            

Yes, I've loads of work to finish off. Half finished projects which I know will change my life when completed. But getting started is the biggest hurdle.

Communicating - knowing what needs to be said and how to say it (powerpoints, animations, pictures, tables) is my speciality. I have Quaor conjunct Mercury btw.

I love and am content with the few friends I have, and I belong to a few groups too. That's good enough for me or it becomes too distracting. Like I said, my privacy is vital. Did i say I have an Aqua moon?

posted May 14, 2013 11:52 AM            

I think I am more worried of Saturn in 4th then Saturn Return as I know everything is painstakingly slow and it is ok. I have several project and I feel same way that it needs to be finished. It is enjoying processes for right now. Family is important to me but I wasn't blessed with best of people or skills to relate with them. I guess I would worry about that later but it is always good to know others experiences.

posted May 14, 2013 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
I have been thinking lately about how it is difficult to be a Scorpio.

The most thing I find difficult is.
1) We feel everything so deeply. (heavy Virgo with some Scorpio influence)
2) We worry about other people's problems. (Aquarius tend to worry about other peoples problems, while Scorpios tend to meddle and act - as if it's their own problem, poring gas on fire - when it comes to complaints)
3) We get people dependent on us at times even without us knowing when did that happen! When we try to do our own stuff people expect us as accommodating as before. (Scorpio/Pisces and even Libra to some extent)
4) We never want to disappoint or hurt anyone but no matter what we do we end up doing it. (Aquarius/Libra/Gemini - that sounds like air)
5) We pretend most of the time to be something other than ourselves and our afraid that if people really knew us then they would never love us. (Libra)
6) We try to please everyone and we can't please anyone. Even though we know there would be people who will hate us but we still try that they might love us. (Libra/Pisces)
7) We love so much others that it consumes us and we barely have time to love ourselves.(Libra/Pisces)
8) Some people respect us only until they are in illusion of our goodness, most people run away at very first ounce of our deep rebellious nature. (Scorpio/Aquarius/Aries)
9) Despite all we good do and sacrifices we make, our sign would be considered to be mean, power hungry ,etc and no matter of how much explaining would cut it. (that sounds a lot like Capricorn - even Leo to some extent)
10)We follow our intuition, we do most irrational things and at times during this time we are not supported but at times hated, ignored and named selfish. (Scorpio)

I am still learning many things so if you disagree with me then it is only probably I am still learning.

Yes, there might be genuine mean and horrible Scorpios and I am sorry for that but I am sure Scorpio must have taught you lesson to be better person and unfortunately it is tough job and hurtful for them as well.

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You see what i mean?

posted May 14, 2013 03:00 PM            

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4lifephrases: If people would love us the way we are, we wouldn't have to.

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Don't blame others. That's something that I've learnt. I'm a Scorpio, though I suppose many people here pick up more on my Leo and Aquarius influence...

As a Scorpio, you have to learn when something is good and okay and when something will only hurt you, and this includes your own actions and behaviours. I used to have issues too! But I learnt from then when I realised that all I was doing was causing stress for my loved ones and myself. Do the same.

It's not a bad thing to feel things deeply. It's not a bad thing to worry about other peoples' problems. It's not a bad thing to fear disappointing someone. But! Those things become bad things when they hurt you more than they should help you. Knowing how to work within your limits is a lesson of Saturn.

I don't expect you to stop feeling things deeply, for example, I rather suggest you try to build from those deep feelings to nurture or construct something good out of them.

From one Scorpio to another.

posted May 14, 2013 08:33 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Yes, but you're on a astrology forum. A Natal chart is formed of 12 Houses, 12 Signs, 10 planets (which imply aspects of their own), plus North Nodes... asteroids and so on... You neglected all of that and gave a subjective description - relating most to your Sun sign alone. Objectively speaking - some of your descriptions come of as other signs...

You see what i mean?

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7th Guardian : You could have asked me for my chart. I would be glad to post it !

I think your wrath is on the wrong person or you are thinking that I like to sum up people as one. Far from it.
I am not the one who is saying " oh! you are this sign so you are mean!". I am actually not happy with the same mentality.
There are lots of threads on this forum which are generalizing. As for informative,objective and independent description which astrologers give, I would like to know how much it is based on statistics and numbers?
I am interested in objective science which you follow for astrology ? How much astrology has changed since it was found and evolved ? How many people are using this astrology forum as objective? Do they have to be objective here that would be another question altogether?

Fair enough! I acknowledge and appreciate your reply. Thank you for analyzing. I can change to say this is what I see in my own experience and other Scorpion friends. I guess I take for granted when I am posting I am posting MY EXPERIENCE, not after doing every Scorpion market research and with statistics. I do not intend to profess that I am an expert in Scorpio. I doubt most people who post here go to great lengths to come up with some report after some data.

I see myself Scorpio first and yes it is difficult for me to pinpoint other stuff by myself.

I would have liked other Scorpion answers on empathizing or disagree. It would be great if they could also pinpoint exact aspect in their chart which makes them different. I do understand we all have different aspects and different journey. I do not mind learning extra here or how to deal with them.

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1) We feel everything so deeply. (heavy Virgo with some Scorpio influence)

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Why Virgo?

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Aquarius tend to worry about other peoples problems, while Scorpios tend to meddle and act - as if it's their own problem, poring gas on fire - when it comes to complaints)

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posted May 14, 2013 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Don't blame others. That's something that I've learnt. I'm a Scorpio, though I suppose many people here pick up more on my Leo and Aquarius influence...

As a Scorpio, you have to learn when something is good and okay and when something will only hurt you, and this includes your own actions and behaviours. I used to have issues too! But I learnt from then when I realised that all I was doing was causing stress for my loved ones and myself. Do the same.

It's not a bad thing to feel things deeply. It's not a bad thing to worry about other peoples' problems. It's not a bad thing to fear disappointing someone. But! Those things become bad things when they hurt you more than they should help you. Knowing how to work within your limits is a lesson of Saturn.

I don't expect you to stop feeling things deeply, for example, I rather suggest you try to build from those deep feelings to nurture or construct something good out of them.

From one Scorpio to another.

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posted May 14, 2013 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Yes, but you're on a astrology forum. A Natal chart is formed of 12 Houses, 12 Signs, 10 planets (which imply aspects of their own), plus North Nodes... asteroids and so on... You neglected all of that and gave a subjective description - relating most to your Sun sign alone. Objectively speaking - some of your descriptions come of as other signs...

You see what i mean?

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posted May 14, 2013 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
I have been thinking lately about how it is difficult to be a Scorpio.

The most thing I find difficult is.
1) We feel everything so deeply.
2) We worry about other people's problems.
3) We get people dependent on us at times even without us knowing when did that happen! When we try to do our own stuff people expect us as accommodating as before.
4) We never want to disappoint or hurt anyone but no matter what we do we end up doing it.
5) We pretend most of the time to be something other than ourselves and our afraid that if people really knew us then they would never love us.
6) We try to please everyone and we can't please anyone. Even though we know there would be people who will hate us but we still try that they might love us.
7) We love so much others that it consumes us and we barely have time to love ourselves.
8) Some people respect us only until they are in illusion of our goodness, most people run away at very first ounce of our deep rebellious nature.
9) Despite all we good do and sacrifices we make, our sign would be considered to be mean, power hungry ,etc and no matter of how much explaining would cut it.
10)We follow our intuition, we do most irrational things and at times during this time we are not supported but at times hated, ignored and named selfish.

I am still learning many things so if you disagree with me then it is only probably I am still learning.

Yes, there might be genuine mean and horrible Scorpios and I am sorry for that but I am sure Scorpio must have taught you lesson to be better person and unfortunately it is tough job and hurtful for them as well.

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posted May 14, 2013 09:01 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesKat:
so do alot people...this isnt reserved for scorps

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Great! so do everything in astrology can be for lot of people. Why bother knowing it and studying it?

posted May 14, 2013 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
Great! so do everything in astrology can be for lot of people. Why bother knowing it and studying it?

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posted May 15, 2013 03:53 AM            

This one explores Scorpio energy in more than one placement:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacscorpio.html

Finally, Linda Goodman's thorough exploration of the sign:
http://mizian.com.ne.kr/englishwiz/library/names/zodiac/scorpio.htm#_Toc6672022

They can be very loving & loyal to those they're close to (what some call the selfish type of love of "me and mine and screw the rest of the world"), they do NOT pretend be something other than themselves (unless you count keeping secrets and keeping feelings close to their chest, and it's more a control issue than "I care about everyone else more than myself and I'm so scared of getting my feelings hurt," though there is a paranoia and distrust that can afflict them as well as a self-destructive streak that might conceivably manifest that way), and if someone tries to take advantage of them...well, nice knowing you, because you will pay. Even the Eagles can rain down destruction on you, though at least they'll try to make the "punishment fit the crime," unlike the less evolved ones. And again they can become very successful in both crime & politics, and that doesn't happen to nice guys, that happens to the dirty fighters not afraid (even eager) to stomp on the face of anyone who gets in their way.

posted May 15, 2013 06:31 AM            

There are people who come and say but oh we believe in astrology but we do not want to be judged or grouped because we are so unique. That is hypocrisy. Do you always look at every chart, signs, transits, progressions,if not maybe it is time.

However to make sense of things people use words and lot of generalization if someone do not like to be judged then there is no point of saying I am studying astrology.

I guess we all like to judge others and secretly like to judge ourselves.

Why are we still having threads which is specific to any sign or placement ?
There would be always people who find descriptions at cafe astrology to be shallow and not giving enough personal experience than some of the written description.

I guess some of you do not appreciate personal experience and that is fine.
To be honest when I wrote this post I had no intention to get anything out of it except sharing but thank you for judging as you saw it appropriate. Some has been useful. Some has been downright insulting but it was expected. It takes one to see another.

posted May 15, 2013 04:29 PM            

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7th Guardian : You could have asked me for my chart. I would be glad to post it !

I think your wrath is on the wrong person or you are thinking that I like to sum up people as one. Far from it.

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My what, my "wrath?!" ^^ How can you be so sensible to other peoples opinion - if you call that wrath, while displaying such a large Ego? I mean, you like to cast judgements on other people - but if somebody has an opinion related to your posts - you treat those opinions as a vengeful attack on your person... That's simply - absurd.

Aye...

You slaughtered my family, you butchered the one I love... and that makes you worthy of my wrath. Nor mortals, neither gods - can't save you from the revengeful hate I have in store for you... as my pain runs deep - reaching the depths of my hearth and so will my blade - run deep in to your black hearth... you wretched scorpionic demon.

(fictional example a bit dark and sarcastic of wrath and a plausible cause that can lead to that) ^^

Your reaction to my previous post makes no sense, as - there wasn't the slightest form of hate or anger in it. I was just pointing out some things and making an observation suited for an astrology forum. If you wanted to learn more about yourself - in terms of astrology, you should have started with your natal chart - instead of relating all those descriptions to your Sun sign alone - as if you're talking in the name of all Scorpios (We feel..., We worry..., We get..., We never..., We pretend..., We try..., We love... and so on). And since you posed those descriptions - as an "affirmation/statement" not as a question/curiosity - I didn't see any reasons in asking for your natal chart.

But now, while reading the rest of your posts (which i didn't before) - i do feel a bit of repulsion for your egoistic attitude. A Scorpio with big ego issues..."ouch" - you sure like to show your needle and sting as often as possible, but you do that in a cowardly way - "you strike and then make two steps back and start complaining while acting like a innocent victim... and latter you repeat the process (now that's really annoying - to say at least)". I don't know if you watch the series "Game of Thrones" but you remind me of "Joffrey Baratheon" - seriously, this is not meant as an insult - just watch the show and you'll see that he behaves the same (those that do watch it - might be able to confirm that while reading your posts)... Even when it comes to Love - normally (common sense related) - "you have to earn peoples love" - but you question it, maybe you'd even enforce it - if you could...

I knew/know some Scorpios (aunt, uncle, cousin, my ex best friend, other friends and ex colleagues) - but, they don't seem to fit your descriptions, not even one - and that should say something. On the other hand, at least 3 of them - seem to share some traits whit you... like the needle/stinging part. I had 2 Scorpio girls in my Facebook list - and they used to be friends on Facebook for awhile, even complementing each-other and liking similar things - but they also had a pleasure in using their needle and sting in left and right... and sometimes - they started stinging each-other - and i have to admit that show was kinda fun to watch (2 Scorpios debating a subject... ouch). ^^ Facebook used to be fun back then - cause of those two (topics with hundreds of co, but then one of the blocked the other... The truth is - i like Scorpios, there's even room for love in their direction - but so far... can't say that i like you (and i presume - the feeling is mutual). And that's why (cause i like Scorpios) - I can't agree with your generalizations. I don't have a problem with personal opinions - as long as you relate them to yourself alone.

I'm a Gemini and I don't fit the descriptions of other Geminis either - which makes sense from my natal chart, but some - who are more Gemini than me - do fit some of those descriptions, so I can't really speak in the name of all Geminis - when relating to myself (I can only speak for myself - based on my natal chart... which is common sense related).

posted May 16, 2013 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:

I'm a Gemini and I don't fit the descriptions of other Geminis either - which makes sense from my natal chart, but some - who are more Gemini than me - do fit some of those descriptions, so I can't really speak in the name of all Geminis - when relating to myself (I can only speak for myself - based on my natal chart... which is common sense related).

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Sting and needle. Haha ! See that's the thing if Gemini would say something and be nice it would be duplicity and that's where it ends. I have Gemini Node.

I haven't started stinging yet, Do I really sting I am not sure ?
I just thought that asking me to be objective (when nobody else have been) and reminding I was in astrology forum (which I already know) was distasteful.
I still appreciate (and this is not to be taking step back) your knowledge on aspects which helped and clarified few things.

I have just gone through progression to Sag so I guess I am less bothered about whether I like people or not. Whether I think people in black and white. I see lots of grey characters. I am just saying what I think I would say.

I had to figure out hard way that whether or not other Scorpions feel like that or not?
I am not saying I do not fit description completely but I think that there has been over glorified of certain negative aspects or even some good aspects which does create an illusion of our personality which creates massive relationship issues. See above example : Stinging v/s Duplicity

I do not think it is Scorpio saying no I don't think it is correct, it is the other sign, which is also very surprising and funny to me! I can understand why?

I do empathize with human nature wanting to judge and put things in boxes and when those boxes are moved, everyone goes through chaos. I see some of my friends spending hours to make sense of everything I do and
things come up like " oh ! you aren't this ? or are you ? I honestly do not enjoy the process as they are so busy trying to make sense in the most complex way, when sometimes it is very simple. Either I can spend hours to explain ( which is not very interesting) or just smile.

You know when there was 13th sign to be included and I think ( and yes this is my personal opinion and no I am not talking on anyone's behalf )" Most Scorpions wouldn't mind changing their sign" but I am not too sure about other signs whether they would like it.

Even if Scorpions disagree to my statements I have never professed to be an expert in that area. Read my Original Post.

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This is getting too much towards political correctness what you can and can not say on behalf of someone (which I didn't necessarily intended to except relating to people around me ) I am definitely tasting foot in the mouth ( Sag Mercury ) here.

posted May 16, 2013 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
I had to figure out hard way that whether or not other Scorpions feel like that or not?

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These reminded me of you based on the majority of your posts here at LL:
http://mizian.com.ne.kr/englishwiz/library/names/zodiac/scorpio.htm#_Toc6672024

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A few Pluto people fall somewhere between the eagle and the stinging scorpion, victims of their own black magic. These are the gray lizards. With them, supreme self sacrifice becomes neurotic concern about the self, and psychic abilities become fearful appre­hensions of the lurking evils which may strike at any moment. Forceful courage twists itself around, and instead of seeking the ruthless revenge of the stinger scorpions-or rising above such bitterness like the eagles-they bitterly withdraw in tangled hatreds at each minor injury, hoping fate will punish their enemies, almost unconsciously willing destruction without direct action.

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However, with the gray lizards, Pluto revenge takes the form of bitterness held inside for years, which inevitably causes deep melancholy or actual, lingering physical illness. Seething Scorpio re­sentment, turned inward and never expressed, poisons with deadly certainty. Turned outward, it can create guilt, be­cause the stinger scorpion is ashamed to harm the defense-less, when all is said and done. Therefore, it should be turned neither way-inward nor outward. It should be conquered by looking up and forgetting, like the eagle- never by looking back in anger and retaliation.

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Warning: Be sure there's a generous spreading of love and affection on top of your firm discipline, or he could become a miserable gray lizard, tortured by fears and phobias, bitter and withdrawn

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He's the very last person you'd accuse of having an inferiority complex. (Unless he happens to be a gray lizard who has turned power in­side out into silent defeat

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posted May 16, 2013 11:35 PM            

Very good. If looks could kill! I love using my eyes. Sweeping someone under the carpet by facing away from them in the middle of their sentence or staring them down with enthralled amusement to captivate - either way, weapons I love!