posted May 12, 2013 01:32 AM            

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Did i mention house placement?
I asked if this was his correct birthdate.

only a correct time could set off correct house degrees.

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This implied house placements.

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No, it didnt imply rising sign which equal house placement, since they are set off from there.

Without the time of birth, we have no (correct) rising sign, but we can still get his other planetary placements. Except for rising, which we don't know what houses they fall in.

posted May 12, 2013 01:38 AM            

Here is the speculation I was referring to:

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It would be interesting if he ended up being a Leo rising; that would put a 3-planet stellium in his 12th house and put his ASC ruler in the 12th as well. Three women hidden? And able to get away with it for so long!

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posted May 12, 2013 02:10 AM              

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I'd suggest people find out more about what's gone on and his background before they try to speculate about his ascendant and house placements based on others they know who just happen to fit a similar mold.

The whole thing took place less then 5 miles from where I live.

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posted May 12, 2013 03:41 AM            

Sun/Venus is usually a very pleasant person--a lover,not a fighter,and definitely not a killer! Jupiter in Sagittarius is usually philosophical,optimistic and wise!

Maybe it's the Mars/Neptune--which shows a dual nature,can take the really high road or the really low one--Mars in Taurus for the sexual abuse.

Anyway it creeps me out because my chart is almost identical to his and I always thought it was a nice one to have---

Anyone else have any comments on how the particulars of this chart might manifest into such a twisted rotten personality to say the least??

posted May 12, 2013 06:42 AM            

Does anyone want to do a new thread and generate his chart with a Leo rising?

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posted May 12, 2013 06:56 AM            

If we put Pluto and Uranus in the 12th, would he have an early Leo ASC. He looks super Leo, the more I look. He looks like he could be the cowardly lion in the wizard of oz, even. Someone should look up the fixed star Algol. I bet this would be prominent. It is in many serial killers.

Nessus and Dejanira would be, too. I bet Eros does something bizarre, as wll.

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posted May 12, 2013 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 12thhouser:
[b]I'd suggest people find out more about what's gone on and his background before they try to speculate about his ascendant and house placements based on others they know who just happen to fit a similar mold.

The whole thing took place less then 5 miles from where I live.

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Here is a profile which would give some insight in his background. He used to be violent with his ex, who moved herself out of the house because of the abuse.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22444882

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posted May 12, 2013 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by hodad:
Wow how creepy.I was born 2 weeks before him.I figured people who had similar birth charts would have similar personality traits but thankfully that is not always the case.I have a friend who was born 2 days after him,July 12,1960-she would have an almost identical chart as him,but she is an absolutely lovely person.I guess it just manifests in different ways.

Sun/Venus is usually a very pleasant person--a lover,not a fighter,and definitely not a killer! Jupiter in Sagittarius is usually philosophical,optimistic and wise!

Maybe it's the Mars/Neptune--which shows a dual nature,can take the really high road or the really low one--Mars in Taurus for the sexual abuse.

Anyway it creeps me out because my chart is almost identical to his and I always thought it was a nice one to have---

Anyone else have any comments on how the particulars of this chart might manifest into such a twisted rotten personality to say the least??

BTW I read on Mystic Medusa that the Boston Bombings suspect is also a Cancer!

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posted May 12, 2013 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by hodad:
Wow how creepy.I was born 2 weeks before him.I figured people who had similar birth charts would have similar personality traits but thankfully that is not always the case.I have a friend who was born 2 days after him,July 12,1960-she would have an almost identical chart as him,but she is an absolutely lovely person.I guess it just manifests in different ways.

Sun/Venus is usually a very pleasant person--a lover,not a fighter,and definitely not a killer! Jupiter in Sagittarius is usually philosophical,optimistic and wise!

Maybe it's the Mars/Neptune--which shows a dual nature,can take the really high road or the really low one--Mars in Taurus for the sexual abuse.

Anyway it creeps me out because my chart is almost identical to his and I always thought it was a nice one to have---

Anyone else have any comments on how the particulars of this chart might manifest into such a twisted rotten personality to say the least??

BTW I read on Mystic Medusa that the Boston Bombings suspect is also a Cancer!

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Two days could change the Moon sign and definately the degree which would change the aspects and how the Moon relates to the chart as a whole and this is really important, ESPECIALLY for a Cancer Sun person.

This is an excellent example of why knowing someone's birthTIME and LOCATION is SO important, because the Rising sign and house placements are CRITICAL for properly understanding someone's chart. Three people with Cancer Sun and (say for an example) Virgo Moon would be different if one has their Moon in the 10th house, another has their Moon in the 12th, and the third has their Moon in the 5th.

The chances are very good that you have nothing to worry about from your friend just because he/she has a birthday just two days off from Ariel Castro's. Come to think of it, there are only 365/366 days to each year. With 7 BILLION people in the world, about 19 MILLION people would have the same birthdate, though not the same year. Assuming an average lifespan of 80 years (being very generous here when you consider 3rd world nations), maybe 240,000 would have the same birthday, including year. But so many different places of birth and times of birth would make them all different individuals. Most are NOT monsters.

posted May 12, 2013 01:36 PM              

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I'm aware of his background with the information released so far..

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posted May 12, 2013 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
It wasn't just for you, but for everyone that wanted to read more and guess the placements. Thought a link would make it made it easier
As for the BBC, I think serious news media are the ones to be trusted...

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Understood.

As far as the BBC, I know they have a good reputation, but I've noticed that our local news has really stepped up their excellent coverage (since local reporters are more likely to been seen in and around the area and can get scolded more easily by residents unappreciative of any shoddy reporting), versus national media who will drop in for a week or two then take off to the next big story and never be seen again.

posted May 12, 2013 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
His face reminds me of someone I know with a Pisces ascendant. That would make Nessus trining mercury and opposing midheaven. Lie is conjunct Nessus and also opposing MH.
Nemesis conjunct uranus in Leo.
Dejanara in Scorpio in 9th.
Moon in Aquarius in 12th and conjuncting ascendant. Could that work? I really know very little about astrology though, so I'm just guessing... Very intrigued by how this would show in a chart though.

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posted May 12, 2013 06:19 PM              

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Pisces ascendant--check
Aqua Moon in 12th--check
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Lol. You are a Pisces asc and aqua moon? Told you I know little of astrology... Unless you want to take this moment to confess the dark side, lol.

posted May 12, 2013 09:26 PM            

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Understood.

As far as the BBC, I know they have a good reputation, but I've noticed that our local news has really stepped up their excellent coverage (since local reporters are more likely to been seen in and around the area and can get scolded more easily by residents unappreciative of any shoddy reporting), versus national media who will drop in for a week or two then take off to the next big story and never be seen again.

Another thing to keep in mind that's been mentioned on the local news (not sure if it's been mentioned in national or international news): Castro was said to be very meek and quiet by local authorities (and I'm not talking about Miranda rights here). Not sure if such meekness would play out with a Leo rising.

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posted May 12, 2013 09:46 PM            

This would put Sagittarius on the descendant, explaining the luck that allowed him to get away with it for so long.

posted May 12, 2013 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by MillyX:
We can speculate all we want about a persons rising sign, but I think that if we have never seen how a person is in real, everyday life, it will be kind of hard to find the rising sign & house placements. It's one thing to hear about media reports but I believe that if you aren't close to a person it is hard to figure it out.

Heck, even when I was new to astrology & didn't have my official birth time I 'speculated' my own rising sign. And when I found my real birth time on my birth certificate, my speculation was totally off. I even tried to speculate my best friend's rising sign, she is the meek quiet shy type, but according to her birth certificate official Time of birth, she is a gemini rising (which are known to be chatty & outgoing, really not her type). By the time I met her later in life, her ascendant progressed into Cancer, which explains why she is quiet & shy.Basically, we can speculate all we want but the only trusted rising sign for me is the official time of the birth certificate.

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I agree with you about the speculations (we can't KNOW without an official birthtime), but part of the "fun" of speculating is that it helps you learn to read a chart more accurately. Even if you're wrong, you can learn from it.

posted May 12, 2013 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
There's something Geminesque about the eyes. What if he is Gemini rising with Taurus on the cusp of 12?

This would put Sagittarius on the descendant, explaining the luck that allowed him to get away with it for so long.

Taurus on 12 means possessiveness is cause of undoing.

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posted May 13, 2013 01:07 AM            

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Now this I could see.

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posted May 13, 2013 01:52 AM            

I think we should look at the Mars squaring Moon and Urans in Fixed Signs, Aqua Moon have tendency to be extremely weird on the negative side, and what he did is EXTREMELY WEIRDOandSICK add to that its in the bad aspected Fixed signs triangle so he can do weird sick things for looong time and don't forget Taurs Mars can do things for long time without getting bored unlike cardinal mutable natures, that's for the 10 years thing.