posted May 21, 2013 01:10 PM            

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When you say your issues scream 12th house, you're right: It's ruled by Mars, which squares your Sun-Moon conjunction, plus your node! And you've got a Neptune/Uranus conjunction in the 8th squaring Mercury. Plus you've got all those planets in your 6th. That could create a huge imbalance.

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posted May 23, 2013 02:18 AM            

I meant to respond to this sooner but couldn’t find the post.

I was looking at it from a holistic point of view.

Sometimes we have innate desires that are passionate enough and have enough drive within them to be realized.

But also, in the same breath, we can have an opposing belief that is just as strong.
As the two continually oppose each other within us, the resultant effect can feel like there is chaos or we can feel the residual effect that, whatever name you give it, does not make us feel good.

We haven’t decided on whether we want the desire or will hold on to the belief that conflicts with it?

“I want intimacy but I’m afraid that people will hurt me.”

In this statement alone, you say that you desire intimacy (passionately so and this is your point of expansion) and yet you fear that you will be hurt (your point of retraction).

How about merging the more desirable thought by working within the set belief?

“I know that I want intimacy in relationships and so I will make it a point that I find receptive people that when I am hurt, it will be easy for me to be able to be open about my feelings and emotions when with them.”

You have to decide which feeling is stronger. And usually, your point of resistance will tell ya if you are resisting the very desire that you’ve launched. Or if the desire has not merged well with the set belief.

“I want to be acknowledged and be noticed by those whom are important to me and so, I will make it a point that I acknowledge and notice them too.”

Your Venus conjunct the Moon- suggests a receptive individual who is very much affectionate and sweet-natured.

The Moon squaring Mars (which I also have) may be why you feel afraid of letting other people in because you fear being hurt.

Mercury is squaring Neptune and heightening thoughts regarding being heard /having others listen to you. Neptune also makes one reclusive and likely to spend time alone with their thoughts and conclude that they are isolated/ too different from others.

I wonder, with the Neptune squaring your Uranus nataly , whether you belong to any religious discipline? Usually this aspect, to my understanding, suggests someone who resists “group think” mentality and feels more at home with ideas that embrace personal individuality. You may not be all that comfortable being another face in the crowd after all.

With transiting Neptune squaring my Uranus, I am especially sensitive and resistant to "group think" and \dogma.

Any accepted belief system that feels like an imposition to my individuality is immediately rejected.

I feel like any belief system or idea must align to me or else its not worth intergrating into my life.

It is also an extremely confusing time lol.

posted May 23, 2013 07:05 AM            

Mercury square Uranus/Neptune are my two tightest squares. Since Uranus and Neptune are conjunct it’s very hard for me to distinguish their influence, they’re always merged and work together. Here are some of the things I’ve noticed:

• I renounce most religions – for unjustifiable dogma, the herd mentality and refusal to accept personal responsibility, absurdity and mainly for the hypocritical and antagonistic treatment of some groups of people (like women and homosexuals for example)
  
• Often I tend to side with the underdogs and I’m very passionate when it comes to defending the oppressed or wronged
  
• When I was 15-16 I was very zealous about feminism, unfortunately to the point of becoming a crusader. I just looked up the transits and transiting Neptune was square my natal Pluto back then. This is still an important topic for me but now I’m much more rational and level-headed about it.
  
• Traditional and narrow-minded people turn me off intensely. Especially if they criticize my point of view or opinions which are most times unorthodox.
  
• I’ve been called by several people (some of them psychiatrists) an idealist.
  
• I’m easily tempted by escapism. I spend half my time in fantasy lands (fueled by movies, books, stories, art and etc.) and am very upset when someone or something tries to bring me back to reality.
  
• I often fantasize about real life stuff too.
  
• Although my opinions are highly liberal I can be intolerant and narrow-minded of others who don’t think like me.
  
• I dislike lifestyles that are based on stereotypes. Like dressing a certain way because of the music you listen to or acting in one way because you’re part of a group. Basically defining yourself by something bigger instead of the many things that build an interesting individual.
  
• I despise social networks.
  
• I have a very sensitive nervous system and succumb to anxiety a lot. If I’m not mistaken in cosmobiology Uranus and Mercury are associated with stress, hormones and disorders of the nervous system
  

posted May 23, 2013 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
@AscTaurus
Wow, your post was amazing! Thanks you so much!

Mercury square Uranus/Neptune are my two tightest squares. Since Uranus and Neptune are conjunct it’s very hard for me to distinguish their influence, they’re always merged and work together. Here are some of the things I’ve noticed:

• I renounce most religions – for unjustifiable dogma, the herd mentality and refusal to accept personal responsibility, absurdity and [b]mainly for the hypocritical and antagonistic treatment of some groups of people (like women and homosexuals for example)
  
• Often I tend to side with the underdogs and I’m very passionate when it comes to defending the oppressed or wronged
  
• When I was 15-16 I was very zealous about feminism, unfortunately to the point of becoming a crusader. I just looked up the transits and transiting Neptune was square my natal Pluto back then. This is still an important topic for me but now I’m much more rational and level-headed about it.
  
• Traditional and narrow-minded people turn me off intensely. Especially if they criticize my point of view or opinions which are most times unorthodox.
  
• I’ve been called by several people (some of them psychiatrists) an idealist.
  
• I’m easily tempted by escapism. I spend half my time in fantasy lands (fueled by movies, books, stories, art and etc.) and am very upset when someone or something tries to bring me back to reality.
  
• I often fantasize about real life stuff too.
  
• Although my opinions are highly liberal I can be intolerant and narrow-minded of others who don’t think like me.
  
• I dislike lifestyles that are based on stereotypes. Like dressing a certain way because of the music you listen to or acting in one way because you’re part of a group. Basically defining yourself by something bigger instead of the many things that build an interesting individual.
  
• I despise social networks.
  
• I have a very sensitive nervous system and succumb to anxiety a lot. If I’m not mistaken in cosmobiology Uranus and Mercury are associated with stress, hormones and disorders of the nervous system
  

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posted May 23, 2013 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

I can relate to so much of this! You sound perfect!!! What I mean is, I cannot relate to most people, but what you type here, I can understand and relate to perfectly. It's so cool to see this coming from someone else. Usually, I just feel totally alienated.

And, the best thing of all is you are so articulate, you know exactly what it is that you find annoying. I, often, just have a feeling but cannot put it into words. I cannot articulate the feeling, just express it as an overall feeling of irritation or annoyance without really connecting it to anything or knowing why it's there. When I read what you type, it's like I wanted to say the same thing, but could never find the words.

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Does your Uranus or Neptune make aspects to Mercury? I can understand you completely. To be honest I’m better at writing that speaking. In fact English is not my first language and when I speak my native tongue I often feel the urge to use English words because I can’t think of any proper ones in my own language. This sometimes happens both ways.

posted May 23, 2013 01:21 PM            

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posted May 23, 2013 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Does your Uranus or Neptune make aspects to Mercury? I can understand you completely. To be honest I’m better at writing that speaking. In fact English is not my first language and when I speak my native tongue I often feel the urge to use English words because I can’t think of any proper ones in my own language. This sometimes happens both ways.

When I speak I stutter a lot and have pauses in the middle of sentences because I can’t think of words quickly. I find this extremely irritating. When I listen to myself on video or record my voice I cringe because I sound slow and dare I say it a bit retarded. Others don’t seem to mind it but I dislike it. It’s so frustrating, like driving on a really bumpy road. I’ve read that Uranus square Mercury has this effect – you know exactly what you’re thinking and want to say but can’t articulate it.

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posted May 23, 2013 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow look at that stellium and no fire. is your time of birth correct?

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posted May 23, 2013 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

That's why I like reading your posts. You have several others I can relate too. I have noticed this

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Thank you!! This means so much to me! I thought the repelling others thing worked online as well.

posted May 23, 2013 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Thank you!! This means so much to me! I thought the repelling others thing worked online as well.

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posted May 23, 2013 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Not at all! Why would you think that? Your posts are so clear and well thought out! I admire the way you express yourself.

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posted May 23, 2013 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
I think the paranoia may be a 6th House thing. At its worst 6th House is the house of obstacles and enemies. Also being ruled by Virgo its keywords are analysis and criticism. I tend to be very self-critical and critical of others. I guess I think that everyone sees and judges me as harshly as I see myself. Throw in a Leo Mars that thinks it’s his birth right to be acknowledged and admired and you’ve got yourself one hell of a party. And let's not forget the Scorpio placements that over exaggerate everything.

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posted May 25, 2013 01:44 AM            

my saturn is aqua in 11th. some people say this is the perfect position for it and i mean its not all bad...i get to know people pretty fast and hit it off first meeting but then seeing them more its like i dont want to anymore lol i just want to go meet someone else. maybe true aqua?

once i make a meaningful relationship though i usually maintain it for life. its just getting over that first stage that seems so much like "work"

on the other hand, i don't like hanging around older people, maybe 4 years older but thats tops any more and i feel like they're creepy or too much of a parent lol

don't judge i just want to be a free bird and be friends with everyone, i feel like i just need a boyfriend and im good and girlfriends to party with and im satisfied

posted May 25, 2013 05:23 AM            

I will say two things. There are some people who will understand you, and others who won't. It just happens that way. Just because a few don't understand you, doesn't mean nobody will, or that the next person will fail to. Everyone is truly different and will see you in a different way, and you should give them a chance.

Now the second thing. When this happens, that someone finally loves you and accepts you, you will feel invincible. Like the impossible happened. Everyone feels this way about love relationships. But loners feel that way even about friendships! Everyone feels like they're in a dream when someone finally loves them the way they want to be loved, and understands them in a romantic sense, but loners feel this way even about just a platonic friend. Once this happens to you, and one person really sticks by and shows they're a true friend, you will open up, and trust.... For now, if you push someone away, it is for a reason. We don't push people away unless they do certain subtle things that hurt us, and it's better to be alone, than be surrounded by people who hurt you or make you feel insecure.

posted May 26, 2013 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by foxxyxo:
sorry i kinda went on a rant about myself but i was just trying to show how a saturn in 11th house person feels....do u feel like i do?

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posted May 26, 2013 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
“I'm afraid that some times
you'll play lonely games too.
Games you can't win
'cause you'll play against you.”
― Dr. Seuss

I will say two things. There are some people who will understand you, and others who won't. It just happens that way. Just because a few don't understand you, doesn't mean nobody will, or that the next person will fail to. Everyone is truly different and will see you in a different way, and you should give them a chance.

Now the second thing. When this happens, that someone finally loves you and accepts you, you will feel invincible. Like the impossible happened. Everyone feels this way about love relationships. But loners feel that way even about friendships! Everyone feels like they're in a dream when someone finally loves them the way they want to be loved, and understands them in a romantic sense, but loners feel this way even about just a platonic friend. Once this happens to you, and one person really sticks by and shows they're a true friend, you will open up, and trust.... For now, if you push someone away, it is for a reason. We don't push people away unless they do certain subtle things that hurt us, and it's better to be alone, than be surrounded by people who hurt you or make you feel insecure.

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posted May 26, 2013 04:18 PM            

- Inability to make deep meaningful friendships

moon conjunction saturn in 1st
This creates lack of trust, depression and hypersensitivity. Intimacy issues.

- Finding yourself alone most of the time

As the above, and also
Mars in 12th

- Intimidating others and/or rubbing them the wrong way

Asc conjunction pluto in scorpio
Asc in scorpio conjunction mars
Sun square pluto in scorpio ( I know someone with this placement and feel sorry for him always rubbing people the wrong way)

- Desperately wanting intimacy but never giving people a chance

again:
moon conj saturn
pluto conj asc in scorpio
scorpio placements in general

- Thinking everyone wants to hurt you in some way

scorpio placements. Creates paranoia.