posted May 17, 2013 09:53 AM            

- Inability to make deep meaningful friendships
- Finding yourself alone most of the time
- Intimidating others and/or rubbing them the wrong way
- Being ignored and forgotten on purpose
- Desperately wanting intimacy but never giving people a chance
- Thinking everyone wants to hurt you in some way

posted May 17, 2013 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Social anxiety disorder, avoidant personality disorder, paranoid personality disorder, dismissive–avoidant attachment style, schizotypal personality disorder, extreme introversion...I recommend you to explore these terms.

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I'm too well aware of these terms. I'm looking for an astrological point of view.

posted May 17, 2013 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Can you give me your two cents on what aspects may cause the following problems?

- Inability to make deep meaningful friendships
- Finding yourself alone most of the time
- Intimidating others and/or rubbing them the wrong way
- Being ignored and forgotten on purpose
- Desperately wanting intimacy but never giving people a chance
- Thinking everyone wants to hurt you in some way

Be it from signs, planets, aspects or house all interpretations are welcome.

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- Chiron in 11th, I have it, maybe saturn’s effect will be similar.

- Pluto/Saturn in hard aspects to angles, in first house or in hard aspects personal planets especially sun or moon. Their transits to 1H/7H/11H may have similar effects.

- Pluto/ASC or in first house

- Being forgotten sounds Saturnian, Saturn in hard aspect to ASC/DSC??

- Moon/Venus/7th house in hard aspect to Pluto/Saturn.

- Pluto again, pluto can make people paranoid. Moon/Pluto or Mercury/Pluto for the last one.

posted May 17, 2013 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Alrighty then. I think you should look for Saturn and Pluto hard aspects to personal planets and angles. Saturn in the 5th or 11th.

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Yes! Thank you. The chart I’m looking at right now has – Pluto opp ASC (Orb 4°48'), Saturn square ASC (Orb 3°35') and Saturn in the 11th House.

Otherwise Saturn only receives trines from the personal planets.

posted May 17, 2013 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
- Chiron in 11th, I have it, maybe saturn’s effect will be similar.

- Pluto/Saturn in hard aspects to angles, in first house or in hard aspects personal planets especially sun or moon. Their transits to 1H/7H/11H may have similar effects.

- Pluto/ASC or in first house

- Being forgotten sounds Saturnian, Saturn in hard aspect to ASC/DSC??

- Moon/Venus/7th house in hard aspect to Pluto/Saturn.

- Pluto again, pluto can make people paranoid. Moon/Pluto or Mercury/Pluto for the last one.

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posted May 17, 2013 11:21 AM              

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Originally posted by meyray:
Can you give me your two cents on what aspects may cause the following problems?

- Inability to make deep meaningful friendships
- Finding yourself alone most of the time
- Intimidating others and/or rubbing them the wrong way
- Being ignored and forgotten on purpose
- Desperately wanting intimacy but never giving people a chance
- Thinking everyone wants to hurt you in some way

Be it from signs, planets, aspects or house all interpretations are welcome.

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Check out the 12th house and its ruler.

posted May 19, 2013 02:06 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Sounds like what 12th house can do if in self undoing mode. I love 12 house imagination and access to other worlds but the downside is, it can take a toll on close, personal relationships.

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posted May 19, 2013 02:59 AM            

Maybe Saturn in the 11th house - because you would take your time with people and often distrust them.

- Finding yourself alone most of the time

Several planets in the first house or strong emphasis on Aries in your chart.

- Intimidating others and/or rubbing them the wrong way

1st house and Aries again.

- Being ignored and forgotten on purpose

This is an odd one. I'm not sure what you meant. This would be more about the synastry between two people.

- Desperately wanting intimacy but never giving people a chance

Moon, Venus or Mars in harsh aspect to Saturn - even more so if they are placed in a passionate sign like Scorpio or Aries (so the desire for an emotional connection is there - but Saturn puts up walls)

- Thinking everyone wants to hurt you in some way

posted May 19, 2013 07:44 AM            

Generally speaking though, the OP sounds like the stereotypical 11th house Saturn.
I have it and I used to be exactly the same way.

posted May 19, 2013 12:48 PM            

My Saturn is on the cusp between 10th and 11th House and depending on the House system used it changes places. I’m also not sure about the exact minutes of my birth time but the more reliable one gives Saturn in the 11th House (Placidus). Koch shows Saturn in the 10th. But after this thread I’m more willing to agree that my Saturn is in fact in the 11th House.

posted May 21, 2013 06:39 AM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Can you give me your two cents on what aspects may cause the following problems?

- Inability to make deep meaningful friendships
- Finding yourself alone most of the time
- Intimidating others and/or rubbing them the wrong way
- Being ignored and forgotten on purpose
- Desperately wanting intimacy but never giving people a chance
- Thinking everyone wants to hurt you in some way

Be it from signs, planets, aspects or house all interpretations are welcome.

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posted May 21, 2013 09:03 AM            

Maybe you should define what you mean by “deep, meaningful friendships?”

Do you mean that you want friends that are openly affectionate with you and mothering you or do you mean you like the kind of friends that are the “strong, silent” type?

With regards to social issues, I look at aspects to Venus.

Venus-Saturn conjunction, in my case, is important to me.A lot of people think that this aspect is the “joy killer”, I disagree.

Venus, to me, represents playfulness, fun, enjoyment and relaxation.

Saturn sitting on top of my Venus can mean a handful of things but the best interpretation is the one you give it as far as your life is concerned.

An observation I’ve made is that Venus-Saturn conjunction can cause me to be cynical and/or sarcastic.

Another deduction I’ve made is that I like (Venus) spending time alone (Saturn). That I tend to seek solitude; not to escape like Venus-Neptune conjunction people, but to quiet the noise outside so that I can infer what is going on within me.

So from this backdrop of knowing myself, I now go out into the world and ,looking around, no matter what sign my friends/acquaintances are, they usually have one thing in common: They all have some degree of melancholia(associated with Saturn).

But, add to this, they also enjoy working and living purposeful lives (another characteristic of Saturn).

I seldom draw to my experience people who are not looking to live a life that means something, is full of ambition etc.

So my point is that there is more truth in first examining yourself before going out there.

1) Inability to make deep meaningful friendships
2) Desperately wanting intimacy but never giving people a chance
3) Thinking everyone wants to hurt you in some way

The above statements seem to contradict themselves:First you want deep intimate and meaningful friendships. But then, on the other hand, you think that everyone wants to hurt you in some way????

Add to that

1) Intimidating others and/or rubbing them the wrong way.
2) Being ignored and forgotten on purpose

How can one intimidate but, at the same time, be ignored and forgotten???

Issues with intimacy and thinking that people want to hurt you? Look at Moon harsh aspects.

Intimidating others? Mars harsh aspects.

posted May 21, 2013 09:50 AM            

I don’t think the statements contradict each other. In fact they’re consequent. Everything stems from the fact that the person is afraid of getting hurt. They want intimacy but they don’t give people a chance because they can’t trust. Their fear is working against them and it becomes a closed circle – they distrust, this irritates people and they (the person) gets ignored or pushed away, that further fuels their resentment and belief that others are malicious and thus can only maintain frivolous and casual friendships. It’s very self-undoing that’s why I think it comes from the natal chart and not the synastry.