posted May 23, 2013 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Under what transit did they break up the first time, Hikoro?

Oddly, I find Saturn keeps me bound to people I feel lukewarm towards more than anything else. I can't bear the thought of living without them but have no idea why. Let's just say I feel no passion towards them yet so comfortable knowing I can talk to them. They are like the car I have my entire life not because I like it, just because I have had it a while...

This involves Saturn in synastry. Under a Saturn transit, maybe the synastry comes into play as well to determine the outcome? If there are Saturn contacts to personal planets or to Saturn, they could stick together and be sorta miserable, too.

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posted May 23, 2013 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Or Venus opposite Saturn and Saturn opposite Saturn.

I have the Venus opposite Saturn with a friend and it's like that. Lukewarm at best. Ice cold at worst.

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posted May 23, 2013 07:00 PM            

just to add some things....

ive no idea when they broke up, it must have been in 2010...before july 2011. i dont know the transits.

saturnistic individual: the male, the one with saturn in scorpio rx, has saturn conjunct mars and mc in the 10th house. i think that is very saturnian, no?
ETA: also, jupiter and neptune in capricorn.

because...according to what friends told me, it is as if he has become more about 'duty' ever since saturn hit scorpio..
i dont know if scorpio being direct will work. apparently, they got back together in 2012, they looked ok...and, they are still together, but, rumours say it is more about keeping appearances because the families want them together.

he doesnt touch her, seek her out...the body language toward her is horrible, on the other hand,....she clings to him....
he is the one who seems to 'want to break free'
he has a 5th house stellium in gemini opposing uranus. i have a hard time believing this duty phase is longterm.

posted May 23, 2013 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
I get the feeling that if a "couple" gets together during Saturn retrograde, one of the partners will change their mind about the relationship and exit out once Saturn turns direct again. That is if one of the partners has an afflicted Saturn or is a Saturnistic individual.

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posted May 23, 2013 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
Very interesting question Hikoro, I was thinking the same. And yes asclibrasagsun, I couldn't agree more.

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posted May 23, 2013 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
So, maybe, with this person you know, Hikoro, his s o has done something he really doesn't like or approve of. That's when sun Geminis tend to go cold. They are very particular.

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and that is exactly what happened....sadly. and now, his hands are tied for the moment. we still have hope though.

posted May 23, 2013 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
and that is exactly what happened....sadly. and now, his hands are tied for the moment. we still have hope though.

meh, i dont get how some people have difficulty with finding someone who cares for them, and loves them...instead, they cling for people who dont want to be with them...
i mean, she could have everything she wished for...maybe that is the problem, she cant bear not having him...when she has no problems with having everything else...she must have it all.
or, it must be her cancer moon...the bad side of a cancer moon.

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posted May 23, 2013 07:43 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

So how long has he been this way? Geminis are moody and they tend to change. They can be cold for a while, then snap out of it. I find this quality endearing but I am not in a ltr with one. I still like them a lot.

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posted May 24, 2013 01:56 PM            

He broke up with me cause he was marrying someone else and gave Saturnian reasons.

He has Direct Saturn at 29 degrees Scorpio, critical degree in 10th
Saturn conjunct Sun
Moon in Capricorn

I have Direct Singleton Saturn in 1st
Uranus (Chart ruler) and Neptune in Capricorn
Saturn sextile Mars
Saturn square Pluto

So I guess he's more Saturnian?

We had Saturn square Saturn, square Sun, sextile Moon, conjunct Mercury, conjunct Pluto, sextile Uranus, Saturn in the 10th, Saturn in 7th, etc. But the relationship didn't work nor was there a binding force.

posted May 24, 2013 02:04 PM            

He broke up with me cause he was marrying someone else and gave Saturnian reasons.

He has Direct Saturn at 29 degrees Scorpio, critical degree in 10th
Saturn conjunct Sun
Moon in Capricorn

I have Direct Singleton Saturn in 1st
Uranus (Chart ruler) and Neptune in Capricorn
Saturn sextile Mars
Saturn square Pluto

So I guess he's more Saturnian?

We had Saturn square Saturn, square Sun, sextile Moon, conjunct Mercury, conjunct Pluto, sextile Uranus, Saturn in the 10th, Saturn in 7th, etc. But the relationship didn't work nor was there a binding force.

posted May 24, 2013 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
I get the feeling that if a "couple" gets together during Saturn retrograde, one of the partners will change their mind about the relationship and exit out once Saturn turns direct again.

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This happened to me, but with Venus Rx. Do not enter a relationship when Venus is retrograde.. I've read tons about it and lived it personally, it doesn't lead to a long term relationship - feelings change quite drastically after Venus turns direct.

Now, with Saturn.. I'm pretty sure if a broken-up couple gets back together, they will break up again when Saturn turns direct. I'm almost sure about this one (not saying there aren't exceptions, but yeah).

posted May 24, 2013 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

Now, with Saturn.. I'm pretty sure if a broken-up couple gets back together, they will break up again when Saturn turns direct. I'm almost sure about this one (not saying there aren't exceptions, but yeah).

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Doux....

however, if they got back together/became intimate during saturn rx of last year...saturn rx went direct in june of last year...correct? so, shouldnt they have cut ties when tsaturn went direct last year?

this is the reason i wonder if they will cut ties after saturn turns direct this year or after saturn moves to saggie...because if saturn turned direct in june of last year, and they're still appearing together, then...saturn turning direct is not the answer.
i think i rambled too much, but did you get what i mean?

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So, Hikoro, I don't think the people you're talking about will make it work on the long term. Unless the woman is a masochist or something.

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he has 'pedigree'... it seems many people will tolerate all kinds of treatment for pedigree.

to tell you the story. they became intimate. she said she was pregnant...he had his doubts but, she went to both families and caused a ruckus...and both families (we're talking about traditional families) mentioned he had to take responsibility and propose marriage to her.
it happened that she turned out to be pregnant all right, but the baby is not his...and, she knew this all along. makes sense that the date of birth didnt match with the 'date of the supposed conception'...and the fact that due to the substance abuse by him...well...
since being honest about everything will put shame on her family, (she also has pedigree, but, not as prominent as his) they're not letting him out of the mess. so...he is there, being all about 'duty'...

i think i should rephrase all of this as being:....he cutting ties because she is not letting him go.
he is a dummy for becoming intimate with her too.

@depth
this is the same couple of that horary i asked. will he marry her?

posted May 24, 2013 03:30 PM            

Maybe they won't break up at the time Saturn turns direct, but later on. During the next Saturn Rx

That story is sooo Saturnian, with the tradition and duty & obligations.

No wonder they're experiencing this Saturn retro phase in such a hard way - they got together when Saturn was retro, so this is bound to happen.. "reworking" on this whole relationship, if it's worth maintaining; it's on a "test".

posted May 24, 2013 03:46 PM            

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I still disagree. It definitely does not refine it.

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posted May 24, 2013 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
Yes and the funny thing is that the couple that is in the relationship thinks that it is this dream-like fairytale only to later realize that it was an odd and strange occurrence that is no longer relevant. One of the partners (the initial one who was pursuing and think it was true love) will actual be the one to step out of the relationship and pursue other relationships for affirmation of the self and ego, while the partner who was being pursued will be oddly shocked and heartbroken that this even happened.

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I suppose the Saturn-partner is the one that will wake-up suddenly, right?

posted May 24, 2013 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
I suppose the Saturn-partner is the one that will wake-up suddenly, right?

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posted May 24, 2013 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
Yes yes the Saturn partner because coming out of retrograde and their old phase they will want to renew themselves and leave the past behind. Usually I have witnessed a couple getting together that knew each other for a very long time but never had a relationship, let's say they knew each other for 40 or 50 years and decide to have a relationship, this happens sometimes, and they thing its the best possible think that has ever happened to them, the non-saturn partner is excited and feels that it is a dream come true but so does Saturn who was the one clinging on and pursuing, however after Saturn turns direct, the relationship falls apart and it turns out to have been just a big huge bout of karma. The relationship did have a purpose but after Saturn goes direct it no longer does.

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That's a good example. It shows that when Saturn is Retrograde it's like when the cat is away and mice have a party lol! I get it the Saturn partner is emotionally free and logic goes Retrograde with the planet.

posted May 24, 2013 08:57 PM            

hahaha! i cant help but finding it absurd but, it is sad, he used to be a family friend, and at one point, an honorary older brother.

@asclibrasagsun

about the saturnian person waking up and saturn rx, would the effects be the same even for someone with natal saturn rx?
wouldnt it be like someone who has mercury rx? it is said that mercury rx folks are not negatively affected by tmercury rx.

at everybody else, these are general saturn questions.
and...doux, since you're a scorpio sun, you may know about this.

1. is tsaturn conjunct natal sun akin to a saturn return? (doux, you're heavy scorpio like me, you may intuit something here)

2. is it wiser to wait until 'after' your saturn return to become serious about a relationship? ive read that if you start dating someone, there is a probability that that relationship will crash when your saturn return starts, so....should one wait until after?

3. any peculiarities about saturn in the 7th natal aspect in terms of how it deals with saturn return, tsaturn rx/direct and so on?

posted May 24, 2013 09:17 PM            

Our relationship began with tSaturnRx exact opposite my 5h Sun, his Juno-BML, in Cancer (my 11h, his 10h). >.>;

We have been together for 9 years total, and will be celebrating our 7th anniversary come June 2nd.

That's a lot of Rx Saturns come and gone...
(not to mention we had Rx Uranus at the beginning of our relationship too.) ^^;

When a fleeting romance ends, it's just that... a fleeting romance, which has very little to do with Saturn's missions... He's not out to sabotage our relationships, eh.

When I see these things come and go, and look into a chart - it's usually a number of conflicts happening at that time, usually involving tMars, tNep, tMerc, tJup, and tVen... a fleeting romance --> Jupiter-Venus.
The end of something idealized --- tNep. An unreasonably bitter ending, or one brought about by mis-communications (tMars-Nep-Merc).

Saturn's effects on these short relationships is slight at best, especially when the parties involved don't share anything within their charts to him to begin with. The more Saturnian an individual is, the more they may experience his gifts. ~_~; (or as many like to see it, "hurdles".)

I don't count on the outers very much for budding relationships, and really only begin to rely on them to come through about the same time I'd start looking at a composite for the couple. Which isn't until they've been together for at least a year, minimum.
(You know the saying, "if you build it, they will come" - well that's Saturn... he comes when you've established something solid... before then, it's all up to our friends over at the fleshy-lust fields (Mars) the rosy-tinted glasses maiden (Venus), and good ol' father "luck" (Jupiter). - I do make exceptions between Neptune, as a higher vibrational Venus, and seeing so many fleeting romances start with someone wearing Neptune-vision. - schizophrenic lovers... lol *tunnel vission* Rx Mercury (for those at least without it Rx in their charts) generally screws up communications in some way for couples - oft no matter how long they've been together... Good Lord, yes... (husband and I have no Rx in our natal charts), Rx Merc that'd passed in March(?) I think it was... that was awful... plus Neptune... (our DSC ruler) - blah.... we didn't talk for 90% of the month, for good reason... haha

Whenever something goes wrong, it's always Saturn put under the microscope... but, in reality the pattern appears more consistent when looking at the many other configurations being made from the start to the end of the "affair". - Venus Returns are fairly frequent, but they can cause temptations, a loss in novelty within a relationship... tJup - esp Rx, can bring up some really catastrophic and stressful dilemmas not just to the couple in question but usually to their loved ones and personal environments (like the office). - I hate Jupiter Rx, more than any other phase... and, being heavily influenced, and relying on that Jupiter energy ---- *suffer* ; ;

Aspects from tMars on an individual and composite level - can be very stressful, especially in the start of a romance. Even more so, again - when you lack those in your natal. I take negative aspects from tMars much worse than my husband (he has the natural square to his from Saturn-Pluto).

oh - our composite Saturn is tight sxt Sun & Asc, tri DSC... semisxt Uranus-IC. (the two planets who "challenged" our relationship with their scary Retro-cycle at the beginning - are the ones that make up our composite's backbone... figures, eh?!)

If it's a matter of one of the two all of a sudden "realizing" things aren't working - chances are it isn't just Saturn making the call, (unless they'd been together for a rather long time, but it's still not the nature of Saturn to destroy what he would rather diligently if not obsessively try to amend) - it's likely got more to do with the fantasy breaking down (VEN-NEP's department), and the storm clouds clearing finally (MARS-JUP's department).

I wouldn't even say they were meant to succeed to begin with anyway, chances are, that in these brief romances, there were other factors lacking, just as much as contributing to the demise. (lack of those spiffy "soul-"stuff indicators, lack of positive union aspects... = road to failure) More often than not, they're just building sandcastles on the shore... then the waves reclaim the shore. You can't really blame the sand for not withstanding the tide... It takes a lot more than dreams to make those loose grains turn into Angkor Wat. So too, Saturn only works when the proper materials are present. (Angkor Wat - a sandstone structure)

Anyway~ love is grand, non?