posted May 30, 2013 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Oshun:
So my question to you is What is the sign is the Moon in?

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This person's moon is in Libra.

posted May 30, 2013 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by goatcat:
Why is the moon in the twelfth house emotionally unavailable?

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because the 12th House is the House of suppression. Think of a black hole that sucks up what it pulls. This is just an exaggerated visual. Think of a planet being pulled into the vortex. It does not want to go but the pull is so strong that is it like a magnet and the planet is pulled into the vortex.

That is a visual of the 12th House. It is kind of a prison in which the person struggles to feel the way out, like find a window but it is very, very hard

Picture the moon in there, which is one's heart. The person wants to share. He wants to know his own emotions. He wants intimacy but he feels trapped in the vortex and in the dark void.

That is how I see it, anyway

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posted May 30, 2013 09:31 AM            

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Originally posted by elixir:
I have moon in aquarius on the cusp of my 12th. How would this make me less aquarius and more pisces? I don't get it. My sun is in cancer so that would make me very watery then. How would the pisces manifest itself?

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Well, you have to figure which house the moon is in, as it is always in one house or another. I don't really understand your question, though.

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posted May 30, 2013 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by elixir:
I have moon in aquarius on the cusp of my 12th. How would this make me less aquarius and more pisces? I don't get it. My sun is in cancer so that would make me very watery then. How would the pisces manifest itself?

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posted May 30, 2013 10:05 AM              

Any of you 12th house mooners deal with this?

posted May 30, 2013 10:11 AM              

Reading from Tracy Marks, _Your Secret Self': Illuminating the mysteries of the Twelfth House_.

Your twelfth house moon suggests that you are a private person, hesitant to reveal your feelings and needs. Often, fearful of your vulnerability, you block awareness of your feelings; you seek refuge from your inner world in habitual activities which you may perform in an automatic manner. Contacting your hidden emotional self may be difficult for you, because you have developed a lifetime of defenses against primitive levels of need and dependency which frighten you. You may feel intense shame in regard to the child-self which is buried within you.

Repressed for a long time, your sadness and longing may sometimes burst forth as infantile tears, which seem regressive and inappropriate. Like Alice in Wonderland drowning in the flood of her tears, you feel overwhelmed, and seek to squelch future displays of feeling. "Be strong;don't cry" may be your motto. You are afraid not only of drowning in your feelings and your needs, but also of revealing your vulnerability to others, then being rejected or abandoned.

Perhaps because of traumatic experiences as a child, in which you experienced unbearable helplessness, need, and dependency in relationship to a parent who could not sensitively respond, you learned to turn to yourself early in life and to establish your self-sufficiency. "I must do it alone; I don't need anyone," you decided, as you withheld yourself emotionally in relationships, and learned how to engage with people without full involvement. Emotionally self-contained and insulated, you became a capable survivor, and learned how to effectively play the roles required of you. But often, as a result of your repression, you feel empty and depleted, out of contact with your source of inner sustenance.

If your moon is deeply buried, you may struggle against fear of the primitive infant locked within you, and against a desire to return to the womb or to escape into fantasies of total nurturance. Fearful of your passivity and your desire for motherly love, you compensate through cultivating your adult competencies and by becoming a caregiver. But although you are independent in the external world, you hold onto your established patterns of behavior and to whatever internal sources of security you have developed.

Forced to turn to yourself early in life, you learned how to take care of yourself, and how to substitute behaviors and activities for the nurturing from others you did not receive. You may as a result be compulsive about your self-caretaking rituals, particularly in regard to food. Tendencies toward anorexia, adherence to strict diets, preoccupation with cooking, and fear of eating in restaurants are all manifestations of a twelfth house moon. Sometimes, you become ill as a means of resting from the demands of your adult self, and in order to allow yourself to receive the caretaking that you seek.

Your twelfth house moon suggests that you never felt allowed to be a child. Perhaps your mother was emotionally a child herself, and wanted you to cater to her needs rather than become capable of responding to yours. She may have been deeply troubled, psychologically or physically unavailable; she may have sacrificed herself to involvements in the outer world at the expense of her family life. Whatever your situation, her negative responses to your needs and feelings, and her messages of "don't cry" "be strong" or "do it yourself" led you to believe that you had no right to have feelings. The hurt or trauma you experienced then may have resulted in a deep-seated decision never to make yourself vulnerable again. "I'd rather die than need you," you may have inwardly said to your mother, "because if I need you I will have to bear the intolerable pain of your failure to meet my needs." As you grew older, fearing the re-stimulation and opening of earlier wounds, you may have said to yourself, " I will not be dependent upon anyone ever again."

Often a twelfth house moon signifies a failure in the early attachment bond with the mother, although a deep inner bond with her exists. Such a bond ( accompanied by idealization) persists in part because you need to hold on to her psychically, as a result of not having received adequate nurturing. Frequently, a twelfth house moon suggests problems in the oral or suckling stage or lack of adequate physical nurturance. If your mother was unable to rspond to your nonverbal (and verbal) signals, you learned to distrust closeness to other persons, and failed to develop a healthy degree of trust.

Because of childhood trauma, you may have repressed your early experiences, and remember little of your family life; you may also have developed a lifestyle which involves minimal family contact. Perhaps because you neer had a secure home, or because you fear experiencing your need for a home and family life, you may avoid creating a home that could be truly nurturing for you. Sometimes, people who have Twelfth house moons never develop roots anywhere; they move frequently, unable to settle down, afraid of sinking into the feelings and needswhich they associate with attachment to home and family.

Another influence of a twelfth house moon is confusion in regard to female identity and to relationships with woman. Lacking an adequate female role model, you may have distorted ideas about womanhood and motherhood. If you are female, you may be insecure about your identity as a woman, and inclined to equate female role behavior with self-sacrifice; you might then, in reaction, reject the traditionally feminine, and seek refuge in "male" values. Sometimes, woman with twelfth house moons deny the desire for motherhood; or, in contrast, allow themselves to become pregnant in order to recreate them mother/infant bond.

If you are male, you may feel insecure about the hidden female within you, which at times feels like overwhelming need and passivity. You may devalue the "feminine" realms of life, while simultaneously idealizing women, falling in love with inner images and fantasies, yearning for the perfect woman/mother/mate, or attracting clinging, dependent women who force you to make contact with the energies you project.
To the extent to which you fear your vulnerability and hunger for nurturance, you attract people who need you and become dependent upon you. Fleeing from relationships which awaken your own need, you are nevertheless quite capable of responding to need in others. In fact, you may even respond with a sensitivity and sympathy which you are incapable of giving to yourself. Psychically sensitive to others, you are attuned to their feelings and intuitively know what to say and do.

Because you are a natural caretaker, you are probably drawn to work in the service professions, where you can meet the needs of wounded or troubled humanity. Identifying with the troubled, ill or weak, you demonstrate your talent as a nurse, healer, or counselor. Having sacrificed your personal mother to the world, you may also sacrifice your personal mothering needs in order to mother humanity as a whole. You seek to give to others what you always wanted to receive. Such giving may not fill the empty space within you, but it does provide vicarious satisfaction and the experience of having made a significant social contribution.

Another advantage of your twelfth house moon is your keen intuition an innate spirituality. Because of your sensitivity, you need to spend a considerable amount of time alone, reflecting upon aspects of your personal life which you do not share with others, and clearing yourself of the psychic overload you have accumulated as a result of too much contact. Your solitude may also be important to you because it helps you to regain contact with yourself, to connect with your feeling nature, and through meditation, music, or other pursuits, to let go of the walls you have created and surrender to forces greater than yourself.

Because you have preserved your true child self deep within you, in a form that is largely untouched by the world, you are capable of contacting and drawing from rich sources of inner nourishment which reside with that child. Because its boundaries are thin, it is capable of openness to spiritual realms. The more you are able to honor that archaic child within you, the more you will become attuned to your divine nature and be able to enrich yourself with the openness to higher energies which it can offer you.

You need to contact, accept, and embrace the child within you, to tolerate its terror of abandonment and its primitive feelings and needs, and to learn to soothe and reassure it. Feeling-oriented therapy, re-birthing, self-psychology, primal therapy, and past-lives therapy all may facilitate this process. As you begin to acknowledge and honor your inner child, you may also choose to create for yourself a home which is truly nourishing, and which helps you to feel warm, safe, and emotionally secure. Once you begin to hear, accept, and meet the real needs of your inner child, you will experience a sense of realness and wholeness which previously was inaccessible to you; you will also be able to give to others more effectively, to meet their real needs, rather than vicariously using them as a means for recovering your lost self. -

posted May 30, 2013 10:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
I read somewhere that moon in the 12th house can also mean mother issues. Either the mother is too over protective or not a good mother.

Any of you 12th house mooners deal with this?

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I read that a man can marry a cruel woman.It would be interesting to see the charts of some of the husbands of cruel woman I know

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posted May 30, 2013 10:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Think of a black hole that sucks up what it pulls. This is just an exaggerated visual. Think of a planet being pulled into the vortex. It does not want to go but the pull is so strong that is it like a magnet and the planet is pulled into the vortex.

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posted May 30, 2013 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
lol oh, just a slight exaggeration. I have an Aqua moon in the 12th, along with Aqua sun and Mercury in the 12th. I talk from experience. The 12th house is overflowing with imagination and resourcefulness, yet doesn't want to give away its "secrets." They seem to come from nowhere (the unconscious). People sometimes, if not often, accuse those with 12th house placements of being over-sensitive, but we're simply responding to what others don't necessarily pick up on. The silver lining is that we can reap the benefits of what others can miss out on, too. It can depend, though, on what sign your 12th house moon is in.

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I describe things so people can get behind the eyes of them, not to disparage anyone. We each have hard things and easy things. The 12th house can inspire one to greatness and many mystics and poets have it.

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posted May 30, 2013 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
I read somewhere that moon in the 12th house can also mean mother issues. Either the mother is too over protective or not a good mother.

Any of you 12th house mooners deal with this?

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posted May 30, 2013 10:45 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by elixir:
[b]I have moon in aquarius on the cusp of my 12th. How would this make me less aquarius and more pisces? I don't get it. My sun is in cancer so that would make me very watery then. How would the pisces manifest itself?

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Pisces influence is on the emotions, it represents what is hidden and unseen drives in the unconscious mind we don't always analyse to the point of understanding what they mean, how they influence what we do. With Aquarius, there is some ability for analysis so this can be a good combination for a writer or someone who is interested in psychology or science. Twelfth house planets often create conditions that allow people to express themselves through writing. [/B][/QUOTE]

posted May 30, 2013 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
I read somewhere that moon in the 12th house can also mean mother issues. Either the mother is too over protective or not a good mother.

Any of you 12th house mooners deal with this?

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posted May 30, 2013 10:56 AM            

I also feel the need to have a lot of alone time where i go into a sort of meditative mode and i can feel very violated or irritated if people dont allow me this. i think that is my 12th house moon as well.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes, Elixer
It would give your Moon a pisces flavor but to me, the 12th House Moon is more of an expression of one's heart and for this person, he would be very deep, very soulful and have a hard time reaching out to others for fear of rejection.

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posted May 30, 2013 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The 12th house can inspire one to greatness and many mystics and poets have it.

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posted May 30, 2013 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by elixir:
I also feel the need to have a lot of alone time where i go into a sort of meditative mode and i can feel very violated or irritated if people dont allow me this. i think that is my 12th house moon as well.

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posted May 30, 2013 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I'm one of them.

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posted May 30, 2013 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:

Reading from Tracy Marks, _Your Secret Self': Illuminating the mysteries of the Twelfth House_.

Your twelfth house moon suggests that you are a private person, hesitant to reveal your feelings and needs. Often, fearful of your vulnerability, you block awareness of your feelings; you seek refuge from your inner world in habitual activities which you may perform in an automatic manner. Contacting your hidden emotional self may be difficult for you, because you have developed a lifetime of defenses against primitive levels of need and dependency which frighten you. You may feel intense shame in regard to the child-self which is buried within you.

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This is sooooooo trueeeee

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"Be strong;don't cry" may be your motto. You are afraid not only of drowning in your feelings and your needs, but also of revealing your vulnerability to others, then being rejected or abandoned.

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Spot on. My bfs mother could not take care of him.

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Perhaps because of traumatic experiences as a child, in which you experienced unbearable helplessness, need, and dependency in relationship to a parent who could not sensitively respond, you learned to turn to yourself early in life and to establish your self-sufficiency. "I must do it alone; I don't need anyone," you decided, as you withheld yourself emotionally in relationships, and learned how to engage with people without full involvement. 

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It took quite a while for my bf to completely give himself to me. One time I threatened to leave him and he brought up how his mother left him and how he's used to it. He's not one to chase because he doesn't want to be the vulnerable one.

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Perhaps your mother was emotionally a child herself, She may have been deeply troubled, psychologically or physically unavailable; As you grew older, fearing the re-stimulation and opening of earlier wounds, you may have said to yourself, "I will not be dependent upon anyone ever again."

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My bf has said this, but he has a very dependent Libra moon and tons of 7th house placements.

posted May 30, 2013 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by elixir:
i love to read the mystics

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posted May 30, 2013 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I'm one of them.

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Yes

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