posted June 02, 2013 08:22 AM            

This house can feel very restrictive like a dress that is too tight. You want to rip it off and run free.

In which house is your Saturn and how does this fit and not fit?

Which house do you feel is the hardest for Saturn and why?

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posted June 02, 2013 08:42 AM            

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posted June 02, 2013 08:54 AM            

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Originally posted by ShyVirgo1979:
My saturn falls in my 6th house. I am forever struggling with daily routines and finding permament work is a never ending battle. I have no issues being a parent but sometimes I feel restricted and confined to my home, as with 3 kids there is plenty of housework along with their extracurricular activities I have them in. I'm sure my saturn conjunction to my sun and mercury probably doesn't help matters either. Saturn has definitely taught me discipline in my 6th house lol and at an early age too. Even at my temp jobs I've been doing, I feel restricted. Like I can't be free to just be me. Its always a feeling of 'shut your mouth and do as your told'. Its frustrating for me when I have that urge to expand and I know I have more potential and I have no say in my job duties. Does any of this make sense to you?

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Yes, you feel very"duty bounds' such that it is a vise. Does that explain how you feel

In which house is your Pluto? Chiron?

What aspects does your Saturn make--include orbs! xx

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posted June 02, 2013 08:57 AM            

I used to feel it a lot when I was younger - I was a loner and used to feel socially inadequate most of the time. I felt unaccepted by my peers and hated social meetings and hanging out with "friends". It was very, very hard.

The 11th house also represents hopes and dreams - well I still have a hard time with these I don't really have any dreams. Does that sound weird? I just sort of live day by day without having an actual goal in mind. I mean I do have *some* things I'd like do, but not exactly on a grand scale, and most of them relate to 6th house stuff - a better body, healthy lifestyle, etc.

Anyway, I don't have many friends and the ones I do have are usually older than me. I like it that way; I don't need lots of friends and I'm hardly a sociable person. I do go out sometimes but I can stay at home no problem and have fun by myself. I am not afraid to be alone, and that's a pretty great lesson to have mastered (but I don't think it's necessarily a Saturn in the 11th thing - I have South Node in the 12th/1st houses so I'm naturally a reclusive individualist).

But really I think it gives a feeling of not "fitting in" anywhere, especially on a social level. It's like I have little understanding of society, and how it all works (I'm really not into politics, for example) so the 11th house is hard to reach for me (it doesn't bother me that much, though).

posted June 02, 2013 08:59 AM            

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posted June 02, 2013 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I have Saturn in the 11th.

I used to feel it a lot when I was younger - I was a loner and used to feel socially inadequate most of the time. I felt unaccepted by my peers and hated social meetings and hanging out with "friends". It was very, very hard.

The 11th house also represents hopes and dreams - well I still have a hard time with these I don't really have any dreams. Does that sound weird? I just sort of live day by day without having an actual goal in mind. I mean I do have *some* things I'd like do, but not exactly on a grand scale, and most of them relate to 6th house stuff - a better body, healthy lifestyle, etc.

Anyway, I don't have many friends and the ones I do have are usually older than me. I like it that way; I don't need lots of friends and I'm hardly a sociable person. I do go out sometimes but I can stay at home no problem and have fun by myself. I am not afraid to be alone, and that's a pretty great lesson to have mastered (but I don't think it's necessarily a Saturn in the 11th thing - I have South Node in the 12th/1st houses so I'm naturally a reclusive individualist).

But really I think it gives a feeling of not "fitting in" anywhere, especially on a social level. It's like I have little understanding of society, and how it all works (I'm really not into politics, for example) so the 11th house is hard to reach for me (it doesn't bother me that much, though).

Generally with Saturn, it gets better with time. So I'm taking it easy.

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Wonderful explanation, Doux. I know someone with this and I will show it to him, as he is the same way.

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posted June 02, 2013 09:06 AM            

There is no "hardest" placement for Saturn, at least in my opinion. They're all challenging in their own way.. It's like comparing apples and oranges, you know? I know a lot of people think their Saturn in the 1st/5th/7th/8th/whatever house is *the* most difficult but really, it's a struggle for all of us (at least initially). So it's pretty much all the same, to me.

posted June 02, 2013 09:29 AM            

Pluto - H7
Chiron - end of H1

posted June 02, 2013 09:30 AM            

The areas of friendship, teams and groups are very problematic to me. It’s hard for me to make deep meaningful friendships. I feel like people don’t like me and push me away. I often find myself alone. Even now I can’t say that I have a best friend. I do have a person I consider to be my closest friend but we see each other very rarely and even when we do I don’t feel like I have that deep a bond with her. We just get along. I have another friend whom I consider close and used to spend more time with but again I feel misunderstood. She’s younger than me and I take the role of her “older sister” meaning she confides in me but I can’t do the same with her because she won’t understand me or at least I feel she won’t. Again now we see each other rarely. I used to have the kind of best friend I strive for when I was younger but it fell apart. Now that person and I are acquaintances and I feel like we can’t even speak the same language. My former boyfriend used to be my best friend and we had heavy Saturn connections. However I want a friend that’s just a friend. Having a lover and a best friend in one is complicated.

Fitting in and being in a team is even worse. I always feel left out and I admit I purposely distance myself from groups. The best example for this is when I was at school. I never did anything with my class. I disliked them (I’ve had two classes and didn’t like either of them). I got really nervous and upset whenever they started talking about going to trips and vacations together. I immediately started thinking of ways I could get out of it. I was bullied when I was in middle school. That’s why I always considered my class mates enemies. Even though the second class I was in (this was in high school) did nothing wrong to me I still felt like they disliked me and treated me with derision behind my back.

This even happens in online communities. I’m active on 3 websites (this one included) and I feel as though everyone is best friends and I’m the awkward third wheel. I always blame myself for this as seeking to much attention.

posted June 02, 2013 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I have Saturn in the 11th.

But really I think it gives a feeling of not "fitting in" anywhere, especially on a social level.

Generally with Saturn, it gets better with time. So I'm taking it easy.

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posted June 02, 2013 09:38 AM            

Trust me, you're not alone.
I used to feel the exact same way.
And I'm doing so much better now!

posted June 02, 2013 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:
Ami,

There is no "hardest" placement for Saturn, at least in my opinion. They're all challenging in their own way.. It's like comparing apples and oranges, you know? I know a lot of people think their Saturn in the 1st/5th/7th/8th/whatever house is *the* most difficult but really, it's a struggle for all of us (at least initially). So it's pretty much all the same, to me.

As for the 2nd house, I agree with Ceri - it does relate to self-worth, because it's the "substance" of our Self, it follows the ASC, which represents the "form" of our Self.
The ASC is more superficial - it says "Here I am" whereas the 2nd house says "What am I made of? Is it worthy? Is it good? Is it enough?" - it relates to everything we value, including our own qualities. That's why an afflicted 2nd house placements or 2nd house ruler can point to issues with self-esteem, you feel like you're not good enough according to your own judgement.

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I didn't know you could look at it that way as it seems like a more esoteric way of looking at it? Is it like a higher plane way of looking at it, Doux?

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posted June 02, 2013 09:44 AM            

I understand this because I have it

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posted June 02, 2013 09:59 AM            

No, I don't think so. I've read it somewhere, probably on the inner wheel.

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posted June 02, 2013 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have saturn in the 2nd and I have never had problems with lack of finances. In fact, that was the one easy part of my childhood. I don't quite understand my Saturn here. Ceri says it is self esteem. Somehow, that does not fit with the basics of Astrology, to me. The 2nd house is the material world, not the inner world. I am not dissing Ceri whom I love. However, the more I think of the self esteem angle, it does not feel right.

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posted June 02, 2013 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have saturn in the 2nd and I have never had problems with lack of finances. In fact, that was the one easy part of my childhood. I don't quite understand my Saturn here. Ceri says it is self esteem. Somehow, that does not fit with the basics of Astrology, to me. The 2nd house is the material world, not the inner world. I am not dissing Ceri whom I love. However, the more I think of the self esteem angle, it does not feel right.

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The way I see it: House 2 is mainly about Self-Worth not Self-Esteem (that would be House 1/The ASC) - there's a difference: http://brendastanton.com/self-worth-vs-self-esteem - and Self-Worth has to do a lot with the material world - as this is where you feel like you have prove yourself. With Saturn there - you probably always felt a form of oppression, like - you have to prove that you're worth something - and you're not here just for the sake of being.

From what i noticed - while talking with others about Saturn, there's always a sense of "Oppression" in the House where Saturn falls.

posted June 02, 2013 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Shy Vi, dear
The fact that you THINK you are whining shows how hard it is for you to be gentle with yourself(6th house Saturn's impossible standards) You are not whining one bit. You do a huge task and you do it to the very best of your ability!

I understand this because I have it

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Aww well thank you for that xx

You're right. I'm not gentle with myself. I don't think ppl realize that virgos are much harder on themselves than anymone else. All those conjunct planets are in virgo, sitting in the natural house of virgo. Ugh I'm seriously starting to dislike anything virgo lol I know God has a plan and I'm this way for a reason. Thank goodness for my gemini moon, even if its a square to my virgo planets. It kind of lightens the burden a bit. I can be real goofy sometimes lol

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posted June 02, 2013 10:47 AM            

And I will also mention that I have a Virgo pStellium in 12H with Saturn in 11H.

I swing between being the class clown, the dancing diva in the middle of disco floor-alone or with friends does not matter- and being a total recluse where I don't want to be around anyone.

Friends come and go in my life mostly because I feel I "outgrow" them. I do have a handful that I keep in touch with but only on my terms ie when in the mood.

I have many acquaintances around the world that I sometimes go and visit just to get away but I wouldn't call them friends.

In all my life I have lived "inside my mind" which is probably due to being HEAVILY Mercury afflicted in all charts and Mercury is also my ruler in all charts.

I feel as if my mind is the "price" I would share with someone that deserves it and the facade they can have anytime of the day....and with that I guess I mean that although physically present among people I am mentally not.

Of my friends, one is older an the rest are younger.