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Ami Anne
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posted June 07, 2013 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am gonna come back and study your post, Ash. Thanks for your help! xx

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posted June 07, 2013 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love your help, Ash. I am going to have to come back and break it down more, as I appreciate the opportunity to pick your brain

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posted June 07, 2013 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the smaller planet transits, especially mars as you said would cause a minor accident such as tripping over and cutting yourself or something like that
it could also mean a problem with binge eating.

OK-lets take this ONE small line. WE have our Cancer on the 6th House cusp and Moon in the first. Mars transits the first and we may have a minor accident.

OK--lets take other planets in transit and tell me what they could do in this scenario. Thank you, Friend! xx

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posted June 07, 2013 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]I think the smaller planet transits, especially mars as you said would cause a minor accident such as tripping over and cutting yourself or something like that
it could also mean a problem with binge eating.

OK-lets take this ONE small line. WE have our Cancer on the 6th House cusp and Moon in the first. Mars transits the first and we may have a minor accident.

OK--lets take other planets in transit and tell me what they could do in this scenario. Thank you, Friend! xx

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Well, lets say we have Moon in 1st ruler of 6th as you said and Jupiter transited the first, I'd say that would constitute a weight gain (although it'd do that anyway transiting the ascendant)
For women, they may find they go up a breast size, or some sort of enlargement in that area, you may get extremely bloated and sluggish around this time as Moon rules the Stomach

Now if Uranus was involved, this would involve some fast unexpected health occurrence like finding some sort of problem related to the body parts that the Moon rules

I know I've seen Angelina Jolie's chart as she's recently had the double mastectomy, While it's not her 6th house ruler, Capricorn does have a large influence of her Sixth house and her Saturn is in Cancer in the 12th, this could point to the fact that this risk of developing cancer was on the line long before she had the operation, similarly she has Moon from which we know is the planet that rules the breasts opposite Pluto, now we know the opposition can resemble a separation , however this operation wasn't necessarily a bad one as it's inspired many and made her quite the hero and Pluto empowers, this suggests that this opposition is one of separation and removal but the end result is empowerment.
This opposition has been triggered by the Uranus-Pluto square that's been happening, now the message of Uranus-Pluto is of transformation and empowerment through struggle and I think that's what triggered it for her (Sorry if any of this didn't make sense, I write while thinking)

So it's interesting how the chart promises such ailments and health struggles and how these are activated via transit

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posted June 07, 2013 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Thsnk you Ash. This will take some study.

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posted June 07, 2013 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now if Uranus was involved, this would involve some fast unexpected health occurrence like finding some sort of problem related to the body parts that the Moon rules

OK, lets stick with this and not go on, so I can go step by step.

In this case, we may find a problem with the breasts or stomach.

Lets change it up. If we have Pisces on the 6th house cusp and Uranus transits, we may have a sudden problem with the feet.

Is Uranus more severe to the health than Mars?

In the above case with cancer on the 6th house cusp and The moon in the 1st and Pluto transit, what would you say about health, if anything?

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posted June 07, 2013 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think in terms of Uranus or Mars, Mars will be a short transit unless it goes retrograde over that planet so it could be just a short thing like say if we were talking Pisces, we could have an accident involving the feet (like say a car running over them)
But in terms of Uranus, it is sudden, you'd have never expected it but also with Uranus, what I find is, it can go as fast as it came, so they're both different, for the longer lasting ailments, I'd say Pluto or Neptune would cause it
The thing with Pisces and Neptune is that to me, they're both different in terms of health, I mean Neptune, we'd link to mental problems and addictions, things within the mind, I'd say to see a link to feet, Jupiter'd be our best bet, or a planet transiting Pisces making aspect to our 6th house ruler

With a Moon/Pluto transit, let's say a conjunction, I'd say that there would be an ailment that would cause a severe depression as the Moon also rules our emotions and feelings most of all, but in terms of health, there could be an impact that would basically transform your whole life that would make you think differently, so it may be a depression but also, a life threatening illness relating to the body parts that the moon rules, maybe even cancer but that would be rare. Anything it'd do to your health with pluto I'd expect that as soon as the person came out of this period and healed, they'd feel empowered, like they could take on the world, like the Angelina Jolie example, where Pluto is now Squaring her Moon, it must've been hard on her to lose her breasts but look at how people admire her for what she's done and how she could even be a pioneer for showing people the seriousness of cancer and preventing cancer, obviously with her, the combination of Uranus made it sudden, at least to us as her Moon conjuncts her Midheaven and with the Midheaven this empowerment and transformation leaked out to the outer world

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posted June 07, 2013 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are awesomely good, Ash. I need to read and study and then come back. I am so grateful for your help.

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posted June 07, 2013 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think in terms of Uranus or Mars, Mars will be a short transit unless it goes retrograde over that planet so it could be just a short thing like say if we were talking Pisces, we could have an accident involving the feet (like say a car running over them)
But in terms of Uranus, it is sudden, you'd have never expected it but also with Uranus, what I find is, it can go as fast as it came, so they're both different, for the longer lasting ailments, I'd say Pluto or Neptune would cause it
The thing with Pisces and Neptune is that to me, they're both different in terms of health, I mean Neptune, we'd link to mental problems and addictions, things within the mind, I'd say to see a link to feet, Jupiter'd be our best bet, or a planet transiting Pisces making aspect to our 6th house ruler.

OK--question--why would Jupiter be involved with a link to the feet.

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posted June 07, 2013 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok-- I want to get back to your last post but let me throw something out there

Pisces on the 6th house Cusp and Neptune in the 1st.
A few questions:

Is Neptune conj the ASC must stronger than neptune in the first?

So, when transits hit a Neptune conj the ASC, will they hit harder to that person than a Neptune in the first?

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Pisces on the 6th house Cusp and Neptune in the 1st.

OK --in this instance would you say prone to mental/ emotional problems and not the feet?

So, so lets take a few planets that transit.

Would Mars hitting it make the person struggle with emotional issues? Same with Uranus and Pluto?

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posted June 07, 2013 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok So we have Pisces on the 6th house cusp and Neptune in the 1st. That person may have emotional or mental problems. Right?

Ok I have the transits down, a bit, so I would like to move on.

Now, this person has Sun in the 9th house in Gemini and Mercury in the 9th house in Gemini and they both trine Neptune

What could we add with this info? And thank you very, very much, again!

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posted June 08, 2013 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump for Ash

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posted June 08, 2013 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are really good with this. Where is the best place to learn?

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posted June 08, 2013 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You are awesomely good, Ash. I need to read and study and then come back. I am so grateful for your help.


You're welcome!
Also remember that the 6th house relates to things like Animals and the workplace but the health interpretations are all valid, in transit, you can have an idea of what'll happen but it may not be exactly that
Like the last eclipses were hitting my 7th house, I immediately thought "RELATIONSHIP!" it wasn't, I sighed a tenancy contract and moved out of the house I wanted to get out of for so long, I forgot the 7th means more than just relationships

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posted June 08, 2013 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Pisces on the 6th house Cusp and Neptune in the 1st.

OK --in this instance would you say prone to mental/ emotional problems and not the feet?

So, so lets take a few planets that transit.

Would Mars hitting it make the person struggle with [b]emotional issues? Same with Uranus and Pluto?

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Mars hitting it I'd say would make this person frustrated within themselves, although with Mars, not everyone feels Mars transits, I know I barely take notice and they turn out to be small, however when Mars shows up by progression or solar arc, it does make an effect, usually in this case of frustration, this may lead the person to start drinking, comfort eating, anything to relieve this frustration that Mars would bring

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posted June 08, 2013 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok So we have Pisces on the 6th house cusp and Neptune in the 1st. That person may have emotional or mental problems. Right?

Ok I have the transits down, a bit, so I would like to move on.

Now, this person has Sun in the 9th house in Gemini and Mercury in the 9th house in Gemini and they both trine Neptune

What could we add with this info? And thank you very, very much, again!


Indeed, Pisces 6th Neptune 1st people will be those more prone to emotional and mental illnesses because of the big neptunian affect it has on the person, also the person would be more prone to addiction.
Now these ninth house placements that trine Neptune would be a positive affect on this person, it would show that this person could use study, meditation or even visits to foreign places to overcome their emotional issues, it shows that an interesting trip to somewhere of foreign culture would really combat this. Mercury in this case would be study, so even studying it would do the person good, this also shows that this imaginative side that the person has with the Neptune influence would be used dreaming about moving elsewhere, other cultures and aspects of life that'd fascinate them
Using equal signs (because I don't know what house Leo'd fall in), the Sun would be the ruler of the 11th house, so friends and social contacts would be of great help, I'd see a person like this making friends online or having pen-pals and these friends and pen-pals would be a real help in terms of their problems, in terms of this, it'd be friends that this person makes elsewhere that would be the help, not friends, say in the street in which they live, friends that they barely see, only speak to online or skype. These friends would also be able to help the person in terms of their dreams of other cultures giving a real insight into them.

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posted June 08, 2013 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You are really good with this. Where is the best place to learn?


I learnt originally from places like cafe astrology and books, then started lurking on this forum looking for answers, I'd say test yourself on different chart scenarios, like say "Mr X's 11th house ruler is in the 5th house, what would this mean" etc and then expand to aspects and signs
Best way is to do it, and try to see if you can google these placements to see other people's experiences of these because I think that people's experiences outweigh the textbook definitions, and create your own definitions
But I'm sure you know all of this anyway!

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posted June 08, 2013 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you mind talking about some more possibilities, Ash, or would you rather I just go study by myself? xx

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posted June 09, 2013 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I have come up with some ideas from meditating, prior reading and talking to you.


House Rulers have several levels. One level is that the ruler of each house SIGNIFIES the affairs of the house--always--in whatever chart--natal, synastry, tranist etc

So, we could go around the whell and pick out each planet that will always signify a domain of life.

I will give examples.

Libra ASC--venus( the chart ruler) will signify the person's body. is that right? What happens to venus could happen to their body. If tr. Mars conj their natal venus, they could have an accident. Am i right? Thank you, Ash!

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posted June 09, 2013 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 10, 2013 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok I have come up with some ideas from meditating, prior reading and talking to you.


House Rulers have several levels. One level is that the ruler of each house SIGNIFIES the affairs of the house--always--in whatever chart--natal, synastry, tranist etc

So, we could go around the whell and pick out each planet that will always signify a domain of life.

I will give examples.

Libra ASC--venus( the chart ruler) will signify the person's body. is that right? What happens to venus could happen to their body. If tr. Mars conj their natal venus, they could have an accident. Am i right? Thank you, Ash!


Sorry for the late reply, I haven't access to a computer much
Yes Venus would signify the body but also the other aspects of the first house like your direction in life, but I'd agree it's mostly the body
But also, with rulers like Venus and Mars in modern astrology, they rule two sectors of life like a Libra ASC Venus would rule the chart and the eighth house which is a topic that I struggle with
Venus would embody the body but also eighth house matters such as shared finance, transformational affects, the occult, etc
So a transit from Mars could mean an accident, it could also mean frustration or in terms of the eighth house it could mean problems and arguments between you and your partner in finances, or a person who gave you a loan, etc, or it could mean a heightened sex drive

It's often confused me as my Seventh house is ruled by Venus, Seventh house is taurus and Venus also rules my twelfth house, however Venus is in Taurus in the seventh house so it concentrates more power on the seventh, confusing!

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posted June 10, 2013 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HOW do we get Venus ruling the 8th house? It is Ok about your replies. I appreciate any and all, Ash dear

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posted June 11, 2013 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Venus Rules Libra and Taurus, if we had a Libra ASC we'd have a Taurus 8th house (using equal houses)
It would be different using placidus if the person had a wonky MC (My term for an MC that's not the same modality as the ASC sign, like a Libra ASC and Gemini MC for example)

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posted June 11, 2013 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AshSkye:
Well Venus Rules Libra and Taurus, if we had a Libra ASC we'd have a Taurus 8th house (using equal houses)
It would be different using placidus if the person had a wonky MC (My term for an MC that's not the same modality as the ASC sign, like a Libra ASC and Gemini MC for example)

OK Gottcha Thanks Ash. I have more questions and will be back x

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