posted June 09, 2013 09:05 AM            

You have Moon square Mars, and I have it too. That's probably it (at least for women?). I also have Venus semi-sextile Mars (not a flowing aspect - two contradicting energies) and you have the square so that surely adds to it.
I know people usually associate the Madonna/W complex with Venus/Moon afflictions but I'm pretty sure I have it also and I can't see where it's coming from except for the Moon/Mars square (I have Moon sextile Venus but it's out of sign, weird).

In synastry the repulsion usually comes from Pluto and Saturn.

posted June 09, 2013 09:12 AM            

Because Saturn rules over fear - fear of intimacy, of closeness, of vulnerability, etc.

posted June 09, 2013 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Actually, I think Saturn may have something to do with it, natally also.

Because Saturn rules over fear - fear of intimacy, of closeness, of vulnerability, etc.

So if it's connected to personal planets, especially relationship planets (Moon, Venus, Mars) in a tense way (square, opposition) I guess it could lead to that effect.

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I was thinking Saturn and Pluto as well. Uranus is a troublemaker too. The second synastry was actually very magentic at first but then it suddenly turned around. Especially on my part - the Uranus person.

Natally I have Sun/Moon/Venus trine Saturn. These are the only trines I have actually...

In personal planet-Saturn aspects which one gets disgusted by the other? The planet person or the Saturn person? In the current synastry I'm trying to analyze Saturn squares all three Sun/Moon/Venus.

posted June 09, 2013 10:04 AM            

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posted June 09, 2013 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Uranus is a troublemaker too. The second synastry was actually very magentic at first but then it suddenly turned around. Especially on my part - the Uranus person.

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Yes, in synastry Uranus would be responisble for that, too. I've noticed some quincunxes have the same effect (the attracted/repelled dynamic).

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Natally I have Sun/Moon/Venus trine Saturn. These are the only trines I have actually...

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Oh, trines aren't that bad, but they can still have a stifling effect, with Saturn. I'd trade your trines for my squares any day though
But I don't think trines from Saturn would do that.

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In personal planet-Saturn aspects which one gets disgusted by the other? The planet person or the Saturn person? In the current synastry I'm trying to analyze Saturn squares all three Sun/Moon/Venus.

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In my experience, it happens to both people. I'm naturally attracted to Saturn in synastry because it's very prominent in my chart but ehh the more I think about it, the more I realise that it usually spells t-r-o-u-b-l-e! Big time. So now if I see squares from Saturn in synastry all I wanna do is run faaaar away lol. Especially if you're the personal planet person.. oh God.

So your Sun/Moon/Venus stellium is being squared by someone's Saturn? I'd advise you to stay the hell away but well, I know how compelling Saturn links are.. unfortunately, once you're in, you can hardly ever get out. It follows you for years and years, no joke.

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PS: Were you my astro twin? Remember the North Node in the 6th House thread - was that you?

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I think so.
You have a Scorpio stellium and a Gemini ASC, right? Well, I know I do

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I've been following your posts and I resonate a lot with them.

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That's good to know.

posted June 09, 2013 10:30 AM            

Though not in aspect to my Mars, Neptune, ASC, please.

However Saturn squares or oppositions to Sun or Moon?
Piece of cake.
WEll, not really, but very worthwile.

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My Moon quinkunx Saturn resonates with Saturn in aspect to the luminaries naturally. If your stellium is neither in Capricorn nor has strong Saturn-aspects (and trine might not be dynamic enough), I am not sure, maybe a synastric square of someone else`s SAturn would feel just too draining.

Maybe challenging Saturn synastry is only for masochists with natal Saturn-aspects like me.

posted June 09, 2013 10:34 AM            

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You have a Scorpio stellium and a Gemini ASC, right? Well, I know I do

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Yep!

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

So, do you have a prominent Uranus?

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posted June 09, 2013 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Maybe challenging Saturn synastry is only for masochists with natal Saturn-aspects like me.

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And like me.

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Even then I believe there NEEDS to be something as balancing factor, some strong Jupiter would be nice.
Otherwise it could get too serious and heavy.

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Agreed.

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Originally posted by meyray:
my tightest aspect is Mercury square Uranus and Mercury is my chart ruler so I guess that juices Uranus.

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posted June 09, 2013 01:00 PM            

Not the synastry.

posted June 09, 2013 01:07 PM            

Personally I think it has much to do with a fear of intimacy, of which I've talked about countless times.

That's why I'd associate that kind of behaviour with an afflicted Saturn/Uranus or even Pluto, especially combined with softer planets like Moon & Venus (which rule the need to care & relate to someone).

It's hard to control - it all happens on a subconscious level, like an automatic defense mechanism.

The only way to deal with it is to face the internal fear / erratic reaction when it comes to personal boundaries and "feeling too close" to someone.

posted June 09, 2013 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
^ Good points.
ETA: I meant Jessica's ideas

Personally I think it has much to do with a fear of intimacy, of which I've talked about countless times.

That's why I'd associate that kind of behaviour with an afflicted Saturn/Uranus or even Pluto, especially combined with softer planets like Moon & Venus (which rule the need to care & relate to someone).

It's hard to control - it all happens on a subconscious level, like an automatic defense mechanism.

The only way to deal with it is to face the internal fear / erratic reaction when it comes to personal boundaries and "feeling too close" to someone.

It takes a very patient, caring, and genuinely interested person to deal with all that bs lol. Honestly it's quite discouraging because who'd want to deal with psychological problems like that? What kind of partner would want to stick around to change things?
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posted June 09, 2013 01:12 PM            

It's probably a karmic connection, with all that Saturn and 12th house (if the TOB is right).

posted June 09, 2013 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
If I'm allowed to share my thoughts, I'd say the natal chart should be looked at.

Not the synastry.

It sounds like psychological reaction to intimacy,personal boundaries being crossed,feeling out of control,at least emotional control.

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posted June 09, 2013 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Doux, from now on I declare you my mentor.

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Ahaha, well thank you, I'm honoured!

posted June 09, 2013 01:19 PM            

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I think it may be all that Scorpio...

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Yeah, actually I was thinking about that, too.
When there's a ton of planets in Scorpio, one can only imagine the intensity of our emotions. So it's quite natural to be afraid of getting close to someone.. because it touches us at our core. I think it makes sense.

posted June 09, 2013 01:21 PM            

The OTHER person acts like a trigger.

It's the psychological defense of the person to repel what's perceived as a threat,hence a feeling of disgust slowly emerges. Is it really directed at the person or is it directed at yourself because you feel you have to somehow 'breach' you own system of defense therefore projecting it onto the person.

posted June 09, 2013 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Jessica, you're always so wise! This is absolutely true. These are problems I struggle with but I've looked at them psychologically rather than astrologically. I think it may be all that Scorpio...

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posted June 09, 2013 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Is your ASC near 3° Gemini? lol I got my ASC and South Node there, so.. hey soulmate (?)

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Yes! My ASC is at 2°07' Gemini. (Although it may be 3° since the minutes of my TOB aren't precise)

posted June 09, 2013 02:08 PM            

Maybe you should try to understand what it is that he's supposed to 'teach' you. Is it about trust? self-love? respect? attraction? and so on.
Surely there's a reason you're so affected by him, so look more closely to see what you find about yourself (it's always about ourselves in the end).

He will (or has already) have a big effect on you - Pluto/NN conjunctions and all the angular activity, combined with the Saturn aspects, makes for a very powerful mix. Try not to fall victim of an uncontrollable "urge" to get to know him or force anything, cause it won't work. Give yourself plenty of time and space to just calm down and stay open-minded; extremes are very destructive with that type of energy.

Also, listen carefully to your gut reaction.
In my experience, whenever I feel nauseous or anxious about someone, it's a bad sign (I know it's debatable because I seem to *always* experience that kinda feeling whenever I get affected by someone but up until now, it's always proven to be accurate).
So if he evokes negative feelings in you, be careful and try to detach your feelings from him, otherwise they'll cause you great pain.

posted June 09, 2013 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
^Exactly what I was thinking

The OTHER person acts like a trigger.

It's the psychological defense of the person to repel what's perceived as a threat,hence a feeling of disgust slowly emerges. Is it really directed at the person or is it directed at yourself because you feel you have to somehow 'breach' you own system of defense therefore projecting it onto the person.

does it make sense?

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Yes. I’ve noticed how the cycle works. I’m attracted to a person but when I try to image that they feel the same attraction to me I start feeling the fear and disgust. That’s why I usually want to flee when the other person reciprocates my feelings. Oh my, that’s so dysfunctional…

posted June 09, 2013 02:17 PM            

*hair raising* *baring teeth*

posted June 09, 2013 02:29 PM            

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Yes. I’ve noticed how the cycle works. I’m attracted to a person but when I try to image that they feel the same attraction to me I start feeling the fear and disgust. That’s why I usually want to flee when the other person reciprocates my feelings. Oh my, that’s so dysfunctional…

Maybe that’s the reason I’m so attracted to this Gemini, because he’s unreachable and I don’t have to fear him violating my privacy. I wonder if the same thing would happen with him if we were together.

I’m afraid of this dysfunction turning into an attraction to men who are emotionally unavailable. The kind who I’ll constantly chase but never catch. That’s even more detrimental. But the good thing is that I understand this problem and I won’t let it rule my life. With age I hope I’ll be able to overcome it.

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Looks like you and I are basically one person in two bodies.

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Originally posted by Orange:
WHATTT??!!

*hair raising* *baring teeth*

ok, that's it

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