posted June 12, 2013 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Jellyfish, I am not really sure how Neptune plays out for him. With Neptune there can be lies and deceit, yet, it is in opposition so it could mean these could be used by others against him. Hard to know with oppositions.

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could be true for Neptune with other planets but with Saturn in the picture it is different. if we use the time of the chart given here (until we know his birthtime) Saturn sextiles Neptune at 0.00% so a very influential aspect on his persona...other people i know that are born around when he was with this aspect, really know how to turn their plans into reality, and they usually involve the betterment of others.

ie this is one of the rare times Neptune becomes beneficial.

posted June 12, 2013 04:02 PM            

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I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things … I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under

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posted June 12, 2013 05:20 PM            

He also has a powerful opposition, natal Mercury against Jupiter and Uranus involving domains, I believe. I don't really trust oppositions too much. They tend to show up in charts of people who experience bad fortune.

Can I pick your brain, Starlight? Why would you think Neptune conj the SN could be bad, so to speak. Would it be someone who is deceived and kind of lives in delusions and doesn't know it?

Then, this opposes Sun and Mars which are the main drive planets so his drive and his decisions could come from a place of delusion. Was this behind your thinking and thanks you! xx

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posted June 12, 2013 05:32 PM            

What do you mean by domains?

Mercury oppose Jupiter may make him extravagant in how he speaks, thinks etc and Mercury oppose Uranus may lead to mental instability.

Were these behind your thinking, as well? Thanks so much!

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posted June 12, 2013 06:26 PM            

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[b]He also has a powerful opposition, natal Mercury against Jupiter and Uranus involving domains, I believe.

What do you mean by domains?

Mercury oppose Jupiter may make him extravagant in how he speaks, thinks etc and Mercury oppose Uranus may lead to mental instability.

Were these behind your thinking, as well? Thanks so much!

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The domains are Mercury in Gemini and Jupiter in Sagittarius. They are both opposite and Jupiter is conjunct Uranus, too. This is very troubling because Uranus can indicate indicate a sudden, violent death, like a shooting or shoot out. Sagittarius has ties with foreign countries. Could he die violently in a foreign country because of his actions (which would be him leaking written information?)

Then there's Neptune conjunct the south node opposite Sun/Mars conjunct north and I think the sun is critical at 29 Gemini. That's not good imo. I have seen this kind of thing in the charts of people who have a lot of misfortune in their lives. I have seen critical degrees and oppositions involving Uranus.

posted June 12, 2013 06:37 PM            

OK, I understand this!

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posted June 12, 2013 06:39 PM            

Have you seen the misfortune with the oppositions more than the squares? I hear you about the 29th degree as it is a weakened degree for the planet it touches and is a weakness. I think that is what you are saying.

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posted June 12, 2013 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OH, by domain you mean home/domicile. So, if these are in their homes, that is good. Right?

Thanks for putting up with all my questions as I am really learning a lot and appreciating it!

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with these oppositions, I am not sure how good the planets' domiciles actually are. The aspects can weaken the position of the planet and it can still mean misfortune. I see it in the charts of famous ones who died early. I tend to look at aspects first, then domiciles or detriments next. The aspects say a lot about what is happening around the individual, oppositions, particularly. Like with Snowden, many powerful men are very angry at him right now, who knows, maybe some could want his head on a platter? I read that into these oppositions. He did something that infuriated them and they want him gone. Or, it could mean they will capture him and he will go to trial, but the nature of the opposition between Mercury and Jupiter/Uranus suggests a worse outcome. What if he is Gemini rising, then Mercury becomes chart ruler? That makes Mercury the focal point of his entire chart. Regardless of the outcome, his actions have ruffled the powerful government guys and opposition energy is like that. It's more about what is happening around the individual due to something he did, so it is both he and them, what he did first, and how they respond, their reaction.

posted June 12, 2013 06:56 PM            

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[b]Then there's Neptune conjunct the south node opposite Sun/Mars conjunct north and I think the sun is critical at 29 Gemini. That's not good imo. I have seen this kind of thing in the charts of people who have a lot of misfortune in their lives. I have seen critical degrees and oppositions involving Uranus.

Have you seen the misfortune with the oppositions more than the squares? I hear you about the 29th degree as it is a weakened degree for the planet it touches and is a weakness. I think that is what you are saying.

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posted June 12, 2013 06:59 PM            

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Thanks Starlight
It has been lovely talking with you xx

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posted June 12, 2013 10:32 PM            

I mean, if we go around the wheel. He does not seem like Aries or Taurus. He does not seem like Libra. He does not seem like Pisces. So, we have several left. Has anyone seen a video of him? I have not but when guessing ASCs, it helps to see a person on video cuz you can see mannerisms.

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posted June 12, 2013 10:44 PM            

Leo could be rising with sun opposite Neptune and Snowden's disillusionment statements. He could have a Leo ascendant making the effects of sun conjunct Mars/north node opposite Neptune conjunct south node more obvious. That's another possibility.

The only problem with Leo, now that I think about it, Scorpio would not be near the MC. Could his career choices hint at a Scorpio MC? Or maybe Saturn and Pluto conjunct it? That would put MC in Libra or, maybe right at the beginning of Scorpio?

posted June 13, 2013 03:05 AM            

"...you can't wait around for someone else to act. I had been looking for leaders, but I realised that leadership is about being the first to act."

posted June 13, 2013 07:19 AM            

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I want to say his ascendant is Scorpio because he had a job as a security guard at NSA at first, he also was in the army a short while. Either that or Gemini, maybe? Sagittarius is possible.

Leo could be rising with sun opposite Neptune and Snowden's disillusionment statements. He could have a Leo ascendant making the effects of sun conjunct Mars/north node opposite Neptune conjunct south node more obvious. That's another possibility.

The only problem with Leo, now that I think about it, Scorpio would not be near the MC. Could his career choices hint at a Scorpio MC? Or maybe Saturn and Pluto conjunct it? That would put MC in Libra or, maybe right at the beginning of Scorpio?

The problem with me having Mercury in Libra is it likes to see each sign in the ascendant instead of limiting it to just one

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YES, Good call, Scorpio.

Why did I miss this? Do you or anyone want to generate his chart with a Scorpio ASC and we can look.

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