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Topic: Mercury : Academic success and Intelligence.
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SilverFeather Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Mercury sometimes...Jupiter some other times Registered: Aug 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 10:22 AM
I don't mean to brag or sound arrogant but academically, I've always had it easier than most people. I was good at most subjects in school and usually ranked among the top three students in my high school and currently my University. I've never had trouble with education and I never relied on anyone concerning my studies. I tutored my friends and roommates for entire semesters so helping others with their studies is something I'm very used to but asking for help is something I rarely do.Looking back at my birth chart, I'd attribute my academic success to my well-aspected Mercury. Ascendant in Virgo Midheaven in Gemini Mercury in Sagittarius Mercury in 3rd House ( its natural house) Mercury rules first and tenth Houses. Mercury conjunct Sun,Venus,Pluto and North Node Mercury semi-sextile Moon Mercury square Saturn ( the perfectionist position) Regarding hardwork and determination, I attribute that to my Saturn. Saturn trine Moon Saturn trine Mars Saturn trine Midheaven I know intelligence can mean a lot of things - One can be intelligent artistically, musically, emotionally, socially, even astrologically but what I'm talking about here is intelligence in the academic field of studies and education. So what do you think guys ? Do you think Mercury is the planet usually responsible for mental flexibility and the ability to assimilate information and learn from them ? or do you think it had more to do with other planets such as Uranus ?? IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 4782 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 22, 2013 10:57 AM
Well, it's no surprise you've done well, given your chart. It seems you are asking a lot of different questions here. As I see it, the ability to go far in academics doesn't tell us much about a person's mental flexibility: sometimes a LACK of imagination is the cornerstone of academic success, as when one excels in rote learning, memorization, and academic "obedience" (even at the expense of using one's time to cultivate their creativity for more personal gains.) I did well in school, partly because of my Pisces moon wanting to please my teachers, partly because my Mercury is exalted in Aquarius, partly because, as a Cap sun, it just seemed the "right thing" to do. And there were other factors like parental pressure. The subject matter usually bored me to tears. In retrospect, I think that it would have been wiser for me to rebel and get poor grades, devoting more time to doodling and planning for the future; however, my Mercury is opposed by Saturn and it didn't occur to me at the time to seize that option and take more control over my life. My husband has a Mercury-Mars-Pluto conjunction on the 3H cusp and is extremely intelligent. He, like Einstein (!), did poorly through high school. Once he got to college and was given choices about what to study, he excelled, and graduated second in his class. Succinctly put, in my opinion, academic performance isn't a very accurate indication of one's intelligence. There are all kinds of intelligence, for one thing, and school itself isn't always geared towards promoting mental advancement. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 5329 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 22, 2013 11:47 AM
I just want to add that degrees or grades have little correlation to real world intelligence. I've met more than my share of Ph.D. professors who are absolute full fledged morons. I've got three graduate degrees, and they're all Ivy League, so it's not a statement of insecurity. IP: Logged |
CatMote Knowflake Posts: 200 From: New Britain, CT, United States Registered: Apr 2013
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posted June 22, 2013 11:56 AM
with your chart it doesnt surprise me at all lol. i think your sag merc definitely contributed, but was actually refined by your strong saturn influences. i think your ascendant being in virgo helps people see you as an intelligible and studious person. ------------------ Sun Aries Moon Pisces Mars Pisces Venus Pisces Mercury Aries Jupiter in Virgo Saturn in Aquarius Pluto in Scorpio Neptune and Uranus in Capricorn Ascendant Libra IP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 2598 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 02:34 PM
Good job op you should be proud of your accomplishments, I'm not being sarcastic either. I understand you! I disagree with some people, I do think it takes intelligence to be academically successful with a degree of motivation. I will say brilliant people sometimes come across as weird or "dense" because they are unable to express themselves. Especially those with a highly scientific mind... I use to tutor my classmates in science and math, a lot of them were just unable to do well even if they tried. Many of them did not even have learning disorders either... Those subjects can be challenging. Although I do think it comes down which side of your brain is more active. You can't expect artists to be highly scientific, unless their a Da Vinci.Astrology wise.. Jupiter is has more to do with the world of academia. Obviously a bright and agile mind which is motivated can easily be successful in academics. Jupiter will show how far you will go with your education! I've also done incredibly well school and I attribute that to my gem stellium. Mercury in Gemini and the chart ruler in conjunction with the Asc. Jupiter in virgo squares Mercury and the rest of my gem stelliym. Venus conjunct mercury is also gives a scientific and artist mind. I went to a elite prep school based on my academic performance in middle school. It was a pretty much a scholarship because my family is far from wealthy and I assume they wanted to increase the average rank so they got a lot smart kids. Many of those inbred old money kids are lacking any desire for mental stimulation lol I did score high in some Iq testing, honestly I don't remember. I got 3.9 gpa (if i round it) I did get a full scholarship which was not only based on my academic performance but also my artistic talent. I didn't spend my entire life in my room studying but I did make sure I completed all my assignments and was prepared for my exams like most kids should be doing. I love how some of the kids in the AP classes would lie about studying.... You spent all night cramming haha!!
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SilverFeather Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Mercury sometimes...Jupiter some other times Registered: Aug 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 06:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith:
Succinctly put, in my opinion, academic performance isn't a very accurate indication of one's intelligence. There are all kinds of intelligence, for one thing, and school itself isn't always geared towards promoting mental advancement.
I agree with you too, I've known intelligent people who never did well in school. I think it depends on the educational system, if it's a system that cherishes creativity and offer a certain amount of freedom and individuality then these people would surely shine but the current educational systems are generally the opposite so in a way they restrict one's potential to develop their mental abilities in the way that works best for them. On the other hand, academic success takes a lot of hardwork and determination and some people simply do not like working hard so they stick to doing just " enough" to get by and some other lack the inner drive to do better completely.
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SilverFeather Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Mercury sometimes...Jupiter some other times Registered: Aug 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 06:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: I just want to add that degrees or grades have little correlation to real world intelligence. I've met more than my share of Ph.D. professors who are absolute full fledged morons. I've got three graduate degrees, and they're all Ivy League, so it's not a statement of insecurity.
I can absolutely relate to that. That's why I said that intelligence can take different forms such as social, artistic and emotional intelligences. I met a lot of street-smart people and they definitely possess a great deal of social intelligence.
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EmpressMendez Knowflake Posts: 3730 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 06:12 PM
This is very true for me as well. Especially with Mercury square Saturn. My Mercury is in Virgo conjunct Sun, AND my Saturn is in the 9th house almost close to 10th. I believe Saturn in 9th house is very "harsh" and a perfectionist when it comes to higher education (very true). I have always excelled in school. It was always easier for me to grasp things than my classmates, and used to get in trouble for correcting the teachers when I was younger (I thought it was normal/innocent, lol). I get it from my dad though. He's extremely intelligent..he has been called a 'genius'. But yeah, I do have my associates, but I'm more into being my own boss and obsessed with Tarot/cards in general, so I would like a more spiritual life now that I'm older. That's my aim, to have my own successful business, and that's what I'm working hard for now . I think education is the most important thing in life though. I always have my kids read, or write, etc..almost all their toys are based on 'education'..I do allow them to have their own fun though. I try not to be too pushy.. As a kid, I was always sooo excited with school. I remember once I was around 4-5 and I couldn't sleep that whole night thinking about the first day of school and would peak in the middle of the night at my new books, lol! IP: Logged |
SilverFeather Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Mercury sometimes...Jupiter some other times Registered: Aug 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 06:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by CatMote: with your chart it doesnt surprise me at all lol. i think your sag merc definitely contributed, but was actually refined by your strong saturn influences. i think your ascendant being in virgo helps people see you as an intelligible and studious person.
That's true I always come off as the smart, studious, shy and quiet girl to most people, specially those who meet me for the first time. They have no clue about my Sagittarius Stellium that's lurking inside lol !
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EmpressMendez Knowflake Posts: 3730 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 06:14 PM
quote: I disagree with some people, I do think it takes intelligence to be academically successful with a degree of motivation. I will say brilliant people sometimes come across as weird or "dense" because they are unable to express themselves. Especially those with a highly scientific mind.
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SilverFeather Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Mercury sometimes...Jupiter some other times Registered: Aug 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 06:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
As a kid, I was always sooo excited with school. I remember once I was around 4-5 and I couldn't sleep that whole night thinking about the first day of school and would peak in the middle of the night at my new books, lol!
Lol ! I used to do the same too ! IP: Logged |
Geeky Knowflake Posts: 326 From: Portland, OR Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 06:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Well, it's no surprise you've done well, given your chart. It seems you are asking a lot of different questions here. As I see it, the ability to go far in academics doesn't tell us much about a person's mental flexibility: sometimes a LACK of imagination is the cornerstone of academic success, as when one excels in rote learning, memorization, and academic "obedience" (even at the expense of using one's time to cultivate their creativity for more personal gains.) I did well in school, partly because of my Pisces moon wanting to please my teachers, partly because my Mercury is exalted in Aquarius, partly because, as a Cap sun, it just seemed the "right thing" to do. And there were other factors like parental pressure. The subject matter usually bored me to tears. In retrospect, I think that it would have been wiser for me to rebel and get poor grades, devoting more time to doodling and planning for the future; however, my Mercury is opposed by Saturn and it didn't occur to me at the time to seize that option and take more control over my life. My husband has a Mercury-Mars-Pluto conjunction on the 3H cusp and is extremely intelligent. He, like Einstein (!), did poorly through high school. Once he got to college and was given choices about what to study, he excelled, and graduated second in his class. Succinctly put, in my opinion, academic performance isn't a very accurate indication of one's intelligence. There are all kinds of intelligence, for one thing, and school itself isn't always geared towards promoting mental advancement.
I agree totally. You may like to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3jYVe1RGaU ------------------ "Most people would rather be sheep and have company than stand out on their own with antlers on." — Tori Amos IP: Logged |
SilverFeather Knowflake Posts: 185 From: Mercury sometimes...Jupiter some other times Registered: Aug 2012
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posted June 22, 2013 06:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: Good job op you should be proud of your accomplishments, I'm not being sarcastic either. I understand you!
Thank you ! quote: I disagree with some people, I do think it takes intelligence to be academically successful with a degree of motivation. I will say brilliant people sometimes come across as weird or "dense" because they are unable to express themselves. Especially those with a highly scientific mind... [/B]
I second your opinion, people think being academically successful is as easy as pie-baking ! No, it's hard and it takes a lot of work and drive to do your best and give your maximum.IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 5329 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 23, 2013 12:01 AM
Well, it's obvious I have contempt for the higher education system and have a dim view of academics.I myself achieved superlative academic performance only through what I consider to be hard work, and not through intelligence. My SATs were an almost perfect score. My GREs were in the 95th percentile. I was a Phi Beta Kappa, a Beta Gamma Sigma and a Fulbright scholar. My father was an Oxford PhD. My mother was a Cambridge MA. My wife has a U.Va. MA. I have a string, and I was once a PhD candidate myself. I gave that up because I had no intentions of being a starving broke lunatic for the rest of my life. Therefore, education has always been of high importance in my life, but I have ill regard for equating education with intelligence. My son brings home a 3.9 GPA and multiple APs and a 98% SAT, and yet I chide him for not taking an interest in life's realities. I don't even think physicians and surgeons are intelligent. They are route memorizers, and that's about it. My version of intelligence is a guy with #20 to his name turning it into a billion dollars and then giving 90% of it away to further the lives of others. That to me is intelligent. Like I've already said, I don't hold professors who've never worked a single day outside of the shelter of the ivory tower in high regard. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 6782 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 23, 2013 12:09 AM
Interesting, I actually think academic performance is a good indicator of intelligence. However I think I.Q tests are pretty worthless. IP: Logged |
Lunae Knowflake Posts: 911 From: Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 23, 2013 12:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: Interesting, I actually think academic performance is a good indicator of intelligence. However I think I.Q tests are pretty worthless.
Not all the time. There are some brilliant people who only have a so-so academic performance because they don't give their all. It's a waste of natural talent if this intelligence isn't polished and developed through discipline and hard work.
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Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 2598 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 23, 2013 12:40 AM
exactly intelligence does not mean anything in real life if you don't work hard..IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 2532 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted June 23, 2013 03:16 AM
Leo Mercury. Mercury rules my 6th and 9th houses. Mars in Virgo ruled by mercury. mercury inconjunct mars exact mercury conjunct venus exact mercury conjunct saturn mercury conjunct sun mercury trine neptune exact mercury square uranus mercury square chiron mercury sextile pluto mercury square NN mercury quintile Libra MC exactAcademic success doesn't mean much if you don't have what it takes to navigate through life's problems.My opinion. Graduate degrees are just piece of paper.That we work our a$$es off to obtain.Takes determination,perseverance,and long hours of study.Very true.Been there,done it.But real success comes when you can make happiness become a state of mind.Bummer, because someone who hasn't earn a degree can probably achieve it better than someone who has a string of degrees.It would still be mercury talking.Because I think a strong mercury helps having a strong morale. IP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 2598 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 23, 2013 03:28 AM
True. graduate degrees are a piece of paper but so is money. Money makes the world go round.I don't think money=equals happiness but it does give a comfortable life. Being poor does not make you happy either, even you have a lot of love. My parents were flat broke for a while and we were all miserable. The stress of surviving etc, not fun. A graduate degree is an opportunity to make a better life for yourself. It's a stupid document that states you went through the stupid ass system and are obligated to be given a job over someone that never went to college.T The sad thing is even if that person is far more talented they don't have the advantage of being an alumni from a prestigious university. Besides it makes no difference to me if I'm destined to be poor at least I tried to make someone of myself instead of working in retail all my life. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 2532 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted June 23, 2013 04:16 AM
Yeah I know. Maybe living in India has changed my perceptive of things a bit.I know someone,an Indian, he was born in a family living in the slum area of Mumbai. Twist of fate, you call it? He went through school,college on fluke scholarship programs that literally dropped from the sky onto his lap.He is a smart one. Finally made it through his bar exams,lawyer so he is. Couldn't live in the big city posh apartments, came back to his native place where he practice what he does best.Laywering for an Indian multinational company.He is a great person,most humble person I have ever come across.But I def get what you mean about a degree contributing to someone's self esteem and self worth.Personally I don't find it difficult to earn a degree, but academic success means much more than earning degrees. IP: Logged |
L0veLess Knowflake Posts: 1448 From: Midgard Registered: Feb 2011
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posted June 23, 2013 04:26 AM
I've never done well in school even though i love learning. I didn't even graduate. I just couldn't get over homework! It interrupted my life when i got home. And i thought it was such a waste of time. Homework was my downfall o.o Mines is in Cap next to uranus and neptune and opposite jupiter. Lot's of muddy meddling aspects! Interesting though i have moon sextile saturn, and i'm a bit flighty. I don't have that dedication all the time. I liked that this post helped me notice aspects i never knew were there hahaIP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 2598 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 23, 2013 04:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: Yeah I know. Maybe living in India has changed my perceptive of things a bit.I know someone,an Indian, he was born in a family living in the slum area of Mumbai. Twist of fate, you call it? He went through school,college on fluke scholarship programs that literally dropped from the sky onto his lap.He is a smart one. Finally made it through his bar exams,lawyer so he is. Couldn't live in the big city posh apartments, came back to his native place where he practice what he does best.Laywering for an Indian multinational company.He is a great person,most humble person I have ever come across.But I def get what you mean about a degree contributing to someone's self esteem and self worth.Personally I don't find it difficult to earn a degree, but academic success means much more than earning degrees.
Its not self esteem or self worth, I just want a nice juicy degree so I can make a lot of money from my field so I can buy nice things muahahahahhahaa Plus I don't plan on marrying anyone or settling down in a conventional partnership. I have to do everything by myself. Also I like school, its fun and i love learning things I don't NEED to learn. Have you seen the difference between uneducated vs educated people. Education is important I don't know why people deny that. IP: Logged |
visions Knowflake Posts: 71 From: france Registered: Feb 2010
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posted June 23, 2013 05:17 AM
lol to those who think intelligence is nothing if you don't work hard. Probably you are jealous to not have degrees ?i have seen boss who are extremely jealous and have their sensitive point around degrees... inteligency give you critical judgement and a methodical apporach on everything you do with a large bacgkround of knowledge. I can't believe you didn't realize that...because in the everyday life, in every decision, intelligency makes the difference. I agree with moon trine saturn, it's a big big help in any real mental hard work. give patience, stamina, learnin slowly but surely, mental discipline, rigorous thinking, Learning abilities,etc.. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 2532 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted June 23, 2013 05:20 AM
^^ I'm not denying education is important.It is important. The right to education is what every child should have.I said academic success is not defined by how many degrees someone has.There are people who've wasted their parents' money on graduate degrees to not put them in good use.''Have you seen the difference between uneducated vs educated people.'' Oh yes, I have.There's no hard and fast rule that the latter is better than the former. TBH, it happens that I meet better human beings among the former. The latter is more focused in enriching themselves. Again my perceptive may be different from yours. However,I wouldn't define an educated person by their degree. Some people made it only to high school and they are financially successful in what they've chosen to be in life,vs some people who are still unemployed with a MBA in their pockets.Hard reality of life. IP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 2598 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 23, 2013 05:31 AM
^^ Damn I wouldn't go there. That's sensitive and purposefully stirring the pot. Many people don't have degrees.Peoples motivations in life may not be conventional. I will say education is the most conventional route to take in this material world. Even in ancient times those who were literate were the most powerful individuals in their time. People who decided to take up higher education have different priorities. It must be frustrating to hear they are not as intelligent as educated individuals.You wouldn't say a brilliant artist is stupid because they found no use for a degree. On the flip side I understand your frustration when I hear people saying degrees require no mental aptitude. A lot of those people work at grocery store as their primary source of income. The money is no excuse either. Why couldn't you get a full scholarship? It is possible and you can find away, if you're as bright as you claim you are. IP: Logged |