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Doux Rêve
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posted June 26, 2013 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
somethingexcellent & 12thhouser.


PeterPan,

If your Pluto opposes your Mars and Mercury but sits in your 7th house, you're probably projecting Pluto onto other people and attract Plutonian people / situations in your life.
Your close relationships may be full of power struggles and arguments, sometimes covert.
Because you have Mars & Mercury in the 1st, you tend to come across as quite confident and assertive, and people can pick up on that and start fights with you (in a Plutonian, manipulative way; or sometimes more overtly).
But you can probably be aggressive yourself, so there's a back and forth between who has the upper hand: you or the other person.

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posted June 26, 2013 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That makes sense, not to long ago i got into a fight with allot of guys who were trying to kick my ass because they felt that i was being a smartass and dissrespecting them(mercury and mars) and they all had allot of scorpio and pluto squares and placements.

I also find myself highly attracted to girls with allot of pluto and scorpio placements.

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posted June 26, 2013 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That sounds like the work of an opposition and the people involved in the action against you had squares. Yep, familiar stuff!

Soooo, you have to ask yourself how you can improve these situations, if possible? What can you do to empower yourself? A lot of times the opp will try to take your power away so you feel kinda weak around others.

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posted June 26, 2013 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lisalisa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about
Pluto and venus opposes sun mars venus

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posted June 26, 2013 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I finally understand what oppositions are all about! they put you trough situations that forces you to grow right? That situation i had recently is a prime example of that, i learned how to effectively deal with such conflicts involving someone trying to beat me or others up... well it does benefit me, not necessarily them :P

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posted June 26, 2013 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lisalisa:
What about
Pluto and venus opposes sun mars venus

Oppositions involving multiple conjunct planets are stronger, of course, stating the obvious. Could find yourself in conflict with people, partners, maybe? This one could take a lot of thought and preparation in order to mitigate the hazardous effects. Do not get swept up in the emotional dramas of others, especially if you think it's love? It could be very negative emotions, anger, jealousy, lust, you are confusing with good feelings like love and you could find yourself in risky situations with those you think love you.

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posted June 27, 2013 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

In my experience the square aspect points to a solution that can aid both energies: Both have to be used.

The opposition points to an extreme use of one energy at the expense of another and is more unpredictable.And often is regrettable.

Natally, I have Moon in Cancer squaring Mars in Libra:

Cancer and Libra are not such a bad square and so, merging these energies together is challenging, but possible.

Mars in Libra wants fairness and equality and for me to treat people equally.This is what is stressed laterally.

Moon in Cancer is more personal and "chooses" whom it lets into its "family bubble".

I actualy recognized this tension the other day when I was sending an E-mail at the office to visit a colleague in hospital.

My Moon in Cancer was quick to list all the people at the office that I was "comfortable" in conversing with on when we can make the visit etc and I was about to hit the "send" button when my Mars in Libra intervened.

The Mars energy said;

"Come on, don't be like that. Send the E-mail to everyone. You don't know who else may be interested in going to see the colleague concerned? Don't shut people out just because it doesn't "feel" right. You are being selective and playing favourites: That's not fair!"

And when it becomes a question of "fairness"(Libras favourite word), I know its Mars speaking.I ended up sending the E-mail to everyone.

I was extremely uncomfortable with that as I didn't know everyone at the office all that well and this action opened me up to more social contacts that were "strangers" to me. But I felt I had to do it.

That's how the square manifested in my case. It ended up being something I "had" to do;merging both energies.

Now with the opposition, the energy is more like this.

I have the Moon in emotional, absorbing, responsive Cancer opposing Mercury in rational, calculating, cool-headed Capricorn.

My colleagues were going on and on about a gay guy at work and having very negative things to say about him.

Now, I know this guy personally and thought of him as part of my "inner circle"(Cancer) and so, my defenses came out (Mars in Libra) as they were not being "fair": I lashed out at EVERYBODY there.

I was emotional and all over the place and it was clear that I had my emotions involved in the slamming of my colleagues. I was shouting and everyone's attention was on me.

So involved in this my emotions were, that I just walked off in a huff and made a monumental sweeping statement(in true Cancer style) by calling them "two-faced liars who smiled at the guy whom they criticized when they conversed with him, but spat at him behind his back!" and I also added "you guys are not being fair."

I was outraged and it took me some time to calm down but eventually I did.

After calming down, I started to replay the discussion in my head and felt embarrassed for reacting so emotionally(Capricorns reproach).

I started to scold myself for showing too much emotion and thought that perhaps my argument would have had more weight had I responded with more rational and detached perspective?

I felt bad; not because I stood up for my colleague, but how the message was delivered.

The last thing I wanted to project was an image of someone sensitive and volatile in the work environment.(Capricorn logic here)
How was I going to live that tantrum down?

So with the opposition,in my case, I know that the reactions will be extreme.

Sometimes my Mercury in Capricorn will say something very direct, "cold" and "cutting" and it's only when others bring that issue up, will I feel bad(Cancer) and go to the offended party to ask for forgiveness(Mars in Libra) and explain that I didn't mean to hurt their feelings etc.

So imagine your sign positions to get a clue as to how they interact; whether in opposition or square.

You'll be surprised as to how regularly they come into contact with each other in many situations that you have differing reactions to.


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DrewMann
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posted June 28, 2013 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DrewMann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23Degrees, I agree with you totally about the oppositions. My sun mars opposition can also be very unpredictable and scary. I sometimes react and do or say things so quick, it even suprises me!

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posted June 28, 2013 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CatMote     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the problem for ME in oppositions is that they dont really offer any sort of positive energy. at least with the oppositions in my chart.
the squares in my chart are completely different though; they almost help completely shape me into who i am and give me tons of energy and make me more dynamic. just my experience.

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Sun Aries Moon Pisces
Mars Pisces Venus Pisces
Mercury Aries Jupiter in Virgo
Saturn in Aquarius Pluto in Scorpio
Neptune and Uranus in Capricorn
Ascendant Libra

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LovelyKitty
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posted June 28, 2013 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyKitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12Houser , is quincunx internal tension ? But both square and oppisition are externally tension because atleast the natal can feel it consciously.

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posted June 28, 2013 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyKitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12Houser, Is quincunx internal intense? Both square and opposition are external conflict/tension because the natal can feel it instantly.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 28, 2013 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quincunx is one of those aspects people struggle to figure out where it occurs in their life. Is it weak? Strong?

A quincunx between Mercury and Saturn can mean depression imo and one between Jupiter and Saturn can mean a struggle to achieve what Jupiter promises, good fortune and what not. Saturn doesn't support it so there are internal and external barriers to success.

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