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PeterPan
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posted June 24, 2013 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now i keep hearing that oppositions are the second strongest aspect after the conjunction, however i also keep hearing that squares are simlar to oppositions but with more tension...


I have no idea what to make of this, whic one has the largest impact? which one is the most powerfull/strongest?

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Doux Rêve
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posted June 24, 2013 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This has been discussed before.

I don't think one of them is stronger than the other.
They both create tension.

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posted June 24, 2013 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The opposition, traditionally, is considered stronger. These aspects are considered tense but are associated with increased energy as well.

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posted June 24, 2013 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree ^

I feel oppositions more strongly than squares.

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posted June 24, 2013 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok how about these aspects;

Mars opposite Pluto

vs
Mars Square Pluto


I heard the square causes a person to be voilent and the opposition causes someone to be manipulative what do you guys think about it?

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posted June 24, 2013 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The Square: This aspect creates tension between the planets and points involved. Tension is necessary in order to stimulate action, but too much tension translates to stress. The planets involved in a square are acting at cross purposes. With squares, we may overdo and run into countless obstacles before we "get it right". However, squares force us out of complacency and get the ball rolling. Squares are often more difficult when we are young, as these aspects force us to grow and learn our lessons.


The Opposition: "It takes two" is the expression, and the opposition is created by dividing the circle by 2. Therein lies the key to the meaning of this aspect: relationship. People with oppositions seek out others, as if to mirror their own internal struggles. They learn about themselves through interactions with others. Very often, oppositions cause us to swing from one side to the other and we feel torn. Oppositions represent a state of divided loyalties. Inner discontent, uncertainty, and insecurity can be a result. While a square is urgent and courageous, an opposition is unsure and wavering. When we use our oppositions correctly, we are more willing to consider the other side and we can be adept negotiators.


Difference between oppositions and squares: Squares create the kind of tension that demands action. Oppositions also create tension, but natives generally seek out others in relationships in order to work out that tension! Note that planets in opposition generally occur with compatible sign elements, while squares generally occur between signs that are considered incompatible by element.



http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectsinastrology.html

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posted June 24, 2013 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But oppositions not just aspects but are also two planets interacting in the same zodiac axis.

There always strong chemistry brewing when people share planets in the same axis.

It's just as powerful as conjunctions or planets in the same sign.
As they say, opposites attracts. It's sort of emotional need to find someone to balance the traits we lack and actually need. The signs opposite from us has those qualities.

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posted June 24, 2013 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see oppositions in the same way natally and in synastry.

Natally, they're more problematic.

In synastry, they tend to create a lot of interest but with some frustration.

Squares are always more volatile, imo.

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posted June 24, 2013 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never felt frustration, yes major differences which I suppose can be frustrating. At the same times we admire qualities in the sign opposite from us.

When I have too many trines and conjunction with someone the passion dies and we become too friendly.

It becomes boring and predictable.

I do thinks squares can be frustrating.
Certains aspects like mars opposite pluto can be challenging just as a conjunction between those planets.

Some of my most intense and rewarding relationships have shared moon opposite moon synastry.

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posted June 24, 2013 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PeterPan:
Ok how about these aspects;

Mars opposite Pluto

vs
Mars Square Pluto


I heard the square causes a person to be voilent and the opposition causes someone to be manipulative what do you guys think about it?



My personal spin from having an opposition, not this particular one, but one between the moon and Neptune, is it is a situation creator while the square aspect could cause a person to actually be whatever it is.

Like, with Mars and Pluto.

Person with the square might be violent, or manipulative. He might take out his aggression on others by bullying them. He comes on too strongly. He is perceived as too intense with a chip on his shoulder. People might rise to the occasion by getting into fights with such a person, either arguments or physical. Such a person is in danger of being injured or perhaps killed because of his own combative nature.

Person with the opposition might come into contact with people who are violent, or manipulative on a regular basis and could, but not always, become this way just by having it rub off or something like that. Person with the square might not come into contact with others like that, just brings the situation with them because of their character.

Oppositions seem more fated because of this. People say, "you just bring that out," or, "you attract that," "stuff follows you around." This is the idea behind the opposition. Person could be really fabulously wonderfully nice but always seems to be at the wrong place at the wrong time or meets up with people that will not benefit him, then he scratches his head and wonders why. These people could bring out the worst in him, also. People with oppositions are not above reacting negatively to the situation. They have a choice about how to respond and this is how you work at resolving the opposition. I have Pluto involved in an easy opposition and it's particularly good because it's all about analysis and psychology so I can sit and ponder all the negativity associated with moon opp Neptune and not get sucked into it.


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posted June 24, 2013 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've actually seen a lot of couples and friendships with moon opp moon.

Specially taurus and scorpio axis, I think it's that natal pluto aspect too.

Moon opp pluto and moon conjunct pluto natally, it's binding.

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posted June 24, 2013 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am pretty sure I read somewhere oppositions mean awareness and I totally agree with that. It's only an opportunity to become aware of your surroundings and how you react to them. Not everyone reaches awareness and the results are bad.

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posted June 24, 2013 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with that completely.

Signs opposite from you not only share traits but has what you lack and need to better yourself.

Pisces and virgo is such a good example!
I think they would totally benefit from each other.

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posted June 24, 2013 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo and Pisces are my favorite opposition.

I also wonder what kind of role oppositions play in benefiting others? Since they are mostly about other people in someone's life, reactions have influence so it's like an opportunity to benefit others through one's reactions to situations they find themselves in. Maybe that's another way of interpreting them?

For instance, think of fire fighters. They could have Mars/Pluto or Moon/Mars, Sun/Mars oppositions in their charts which indicates they are in constant danger by putting themselves in burning structures to extinguish fires, saving people and property in the process. Their reaction to danger benefits people. So, when handled the correct way, an opposition could be really helpful. It's a matter of controlling it.

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posted June 24, 2013 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know they're so cute together.

I love seeing taurus and scorpio!
It's like watching the animal planet.

Scorpio stalks the bull and strikes when they're busy eating.

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posted June 24, 2013 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha, yep, they're super cute!

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posted June 25, 2013 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DrewMann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a very tight sun mars opposition and I don't find it much different from the square at all.

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posted June 25, 2013 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Squares are more locked in, so i would call them stronger.

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posted June 26, 2013 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freebrainstorms     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have the opposition between moon and venus in virgo and pisces and let me tell you.....i would LOVE to get rid of it. I'm very happy that I have so much pisces to balance out my virgo but i would be very happy with another moon sign, literally anything else would make for a better and easier natal chart.

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posted June 26, 2013 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Virgo/Pisces opposition might have caused some emotional distress at some point. Seems like the effect is about being extremely sensitive to people's criticism, to the point of getting upset, crying, etc. That's the most difficult thing to overcome with Virgo/Pisces since it's very difficult to be around other people, don't want to cry and look overly emotional all the time even though I do. I've been told I wear my heart on my sleeve/ always show my emotions.

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posted June 26, 2013 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oppositions have a lot of going back and forth, being unable to reconcile the two forces.

Like Ami Anne said, squares are locked in place. They can both create a lot of tension and they both have a lot of potential, but the opposition is more lenient. I'd say the squares are more troublesome in a person but the opposition is more important.

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posted June 26, 2013 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can reconcile by using awareness, especially if the opp has easy aspects to both of the ends from other planets and points. Then, the opportunity arises to benefit self and others through the opposition, maybe?

Doesn't always work though. People have been floored by their opps, even with easy aspects to both sides.

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posted June 26, 2013 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterPan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm i have no idea how it's affecting me tough because pluto is opposing my mars, mercury and ascendant whcich are all in tight conjunction to eachother.

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posted June 26, 2013 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The tension of a square is directed internally. The tension of an opposition is directed externally.

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posted June 26, 2013 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel my squares stronger than my oppositions. That said I have more squares than oppositions in my chart.

Doux and 12th houser, I like what you said, am going to quote you both in my pain thread.

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