posted July 06, 2013 12:31 PM            

Discuss. Are these things universally undesirable? What are some possible astrology indicators?

posted July 06, 2013 12:34 PM            

Libra ascendant
Mercury inconjunct (quincunx) Saturn
Venus square Saturn
Sun trine Saturn
Neptune opposite moon
Moon in Taurus.
12th house stellium
Pisces on cusp of 6th.

Saturn can mean gloominess. 12th house/afflicted Neptune can mean being too passive.

posted July 06, 2013 12:47 PM            

Sometimes Neptune when it's afflicted (false ideas, confusion, hypersensitivity).

An afflicted Moon for the lack of self-nurturing and an afflicted Mercury for erroneous ideas about self / others / life.

Scorpios can be very negative, especially in their early years.

All the Scorpios I've known get depressed / cynical from time to time.

posted July 06, 2013 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Did you guys know that Chiron was considered as a hypothetical moon of Saturn?

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Oh?
I know it travels between Saturn and Uranus - symbolizing the line between the physical, tangible, "social" and the transpersonal, collective, transcendental.

SSS,

posted July 06, 2013 01:54 PM            

Lunae,

Aw, sweetie pie.
My chart ruler isn't afflicted (it's retrograde though) and I can say the same thing about myself.
Well, you know that already, don't you!

libraschoice,

posted July 06, 2013 02:02 PM              

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Originally posted by Blackbird:
Feeling depressed, lacking in self-confidence, self-critical thinking --> passive behavior.

Discuss. Are these things universally undesirable? What are some possible astrology indicators?

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Saturn in hard aspect to Mercury. Mercury is the thought processes.

Passivity is more of a mutable based thing. The cardinal and fixed signs, not so much. In terms of the planets, I'd say someone whose Uranus, Pluto or Saturn are afflicted, or not doing much. Uranian people are going to be headstrong and rebellious by nature - think of an animal that can't be tamed or isn't easily domesticated. Pluto is going to be the opposite of passive because of a lust for power and control over self and others. Saturn, for similar reasons, they like being the authority and calling the shots.

Neptune in association with negative thinking or having an unrealistic sense of self, I have to disagree on - if anything, Neptune afflicting Mercury and/or the luminaries is gonna make you have a really fluid sense of yourself, not really having a strong sense of who you are, a strong psychological "core" or foundation; "I don't know who I am", type of thing. Having an unrealistic or unjustifiably grandiose perception of yourself is more of an afflicted Jupiter thing; specifically, Jupiter in hard aspect to the Sun (your ego), Moon (your emotions), or Mercury (your thought processes). Emphasis on the hard aspects,the opposition or square.

I do have to agree that Scorpio people can be extremely negative - so can Capricorns; my brother is the ultimate Debbie Downer and he's a Cappy. I'd add an afflicted Pluto to the mix also because of the association with Scorpio.

posted July 06, 2013 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
[B]Thank you, Starlight!
Your Moon opposes my Mars, I think.
Can you believe that? lol.

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posted July 06, 2013 02:07 PM            

I know Saturn has been mentioned a lot but I'd like to add its placement in the 5th. Man, it does wonders to your self-esteem. I don't have it natally but it's currently transiting my 5h and I can CERTAINLY feel its effect even if it's quite far away from ny natal planets. I can't wait for the friggin' conjunction!

posted July 06, 2013 02:24 PM            

Though I still think Neptune can have a negative effect on self-esteem.

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Things won't get boring

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Right!

Lunae,

I've had Saturn conjuncting my chart ruler for the past few months and it's not that bad.
Could have been much worse!
Outer planet transits are the biggies, imo.

posted July 06, 2013 02:39 PM            

And yeah, outer planet transits. Tell me about it. They're in my cardinal houses (uranus and pluto in the 10th and 7th respectively). for Pete's sakes, they are t-squaring my venus

posted July 06, 2013 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Thank you, Starlight!
Your Moon opposes my Mars, I think.
Can you believe that? lol.

[b]Lunae,

Aw, sweetie pie.
My chart ruler isn't afflicted (it's retrograde though) and I can say the same thing about myself.
Well, you know that already, don't you!

libraschoice,

I feel you. [/B]

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posted July 06, 2013 02:55 PM            

Haven't you found your Prince Charming, yet?
With those crazy transits?
Oh but I bet it wouldn't last long with the Cardinal square..
So better wait til it's over!

ETA: Nevermind, just read your email! Tss.

libraschoice,

posted July 06, 2013 09:54 PM            

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posted July 07, 2013 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Saturn dear friend,is one huge astrological indicator.

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
An afflicted Moon for the lack of self-nurturing and an afflicted Mercury for erroneous ideas about self / others / life.

Scorpios can be very negative, especially in their early years.

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Originally posted by Lunae:
I'll add in an afflicted chart ruler in the mix because I have it and I'm pretty low on the self-esteem meter.

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Originally posted by Textbook:
Saturn in hard aspect to Mercury. Mercury is the thought processes.

[...] I do have to agree that Scorpio people can be extremely negative [...]

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Saturn is my chart ruler -- Ascendant in Capricorn.

I have Sun, Mercury, Saturn and Pluto all conjunct in the 9th house, on the Libra-Scorpio cusp. Sun and Saturn in the first degrees of Scorpio, Mercury and Pluto in the last degrees of Libra.

I also have Moon square Venus, Moon square Mars, Moon opposite Jupiter and Moon opposite Neptune.

It looks like I have all of the difficult placements and aspects that people are pointing out, except for the 12th house stuff. My 12th is empty. I guess I'm grateful for that... I feel like if there were any additional challenging aspects in my chart, any more confusion or frustration in my life, I would have already killed myself.

There should be a link to my chart in my signature.

I have almost no memory of my childhood. The only memories I really have are second-hand; I remember looking at photographs from family albums. I don't actually remember being in the photos. Anyway, I don't remember being especially negative when I was younger. Before 8th grade or so (age 13-14) everything was... fine, I guess. I don't remember feeling bad. But since around age 14, around the time I started high school, I've become more and more depressed, and I've become very negative and self-critical.

These questions may be better suited for the Beginner forum, but I feel like I need a little clarification here:

What exactly does "afflicted" mean? Hard aspects? If so, hard aspects to what? Anything at all?

Which aspects are considered "hard"? I would guess the square, because the energies are in conflict, at cross purposes. What else? The conjunction? The opposition? Semi-sextile? Inconjunct? Why are they considered "hard"? What exactly is happening with the energies?

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Originally posted by Textbook:
Passivity is more of a mutable based thing. The cardinal and fixed signs, not so much.
In terms of the planets, I'd say someone whose Uranus, Pluto or Saturn are afflicted, or not doing much.

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For which planets / points? Is it just Saturn, Uranus or Pluto? What about the Sun, Moon and the other planets?

Maybe I should have been a little more specific. By "passive" I mean: reserved or withdrawn in social settings, not engaging with anyone. Psychology says that depression and lack of self confidence lead to passive behavior; not engaging socially, not initiating contact or conversation due to fear of negative reactions from others.

Although... this could be applied to life in general. There are people that are actively pursuing life: building relationships, engaged in their work and enjoying their careers, pursuing activities outside of work, improving themselves; and there are people like me that are not engaged in life, just rolling with the punches, allowing things to happen, not really trying to make anything happen on their own.

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Originally posted by Textbook:
Pluto is going to be the opposite of passive because of a lust for power and control over self and others. Saturn, for similar reasons, they like being the authority and calling the shots.

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When will these be true? What is the criteria?

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Originally posted by Textbook:
Neptune afflicting Mercury and/or the luminaries is gonna make you have a really fluid sense of yourself, not really having a strong sense of who you are, a strong psychological "core" or foundation; "I don't know who I am", type of thing.

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This is exactly what I am struggling with. I have Moon opposite Neptune, although I never thought about that aspect very much. I thought sense of self was more related with the Sun than the Moon. My understanding of Uranus and Neptune and their effects is pretty weak.

I keep reading / hearing the phrase "know who you are and know what you want". What does it mean to know who you are? What do I have to do, and what do I have to know or find out, before I am qualified to say "I know who I am"?

How do I figure out what I want?

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Originally posted by Textbook:
Trying to get it starting from the outside and from the world around you, will be a temporary fix that really doesn't work and in the end you'll be entirely dependent on getting whatever self-esteem you do have from other people, and that's ultimately dangerous.

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I understand this, but what is the solution? How does one stop being self-critical and build their self-confidence, given the context of these negative astrology placements and aspects?

posted July 07, 2013 04:00 PM            

An affliction is basically when a planet makes a "hard" aspect - square, opposition and sometimes even conjunction (with the outer planets for example).
The quincunx is a minor aspect, so it doesn't generally count as being an affliction but I definitely think it doesn't help, at all.
So, by that definition, we can see that almost everyone has several afflicted planets - it's normal.

About being passive:

Lack.of.fire.
You don't have any personal planets in Fire and have a big emphasis on Saturn/Scorpio, those are definitely not known for being "out there" or active, in any way.

With your Moon being so afflicted, especially in the 5th, it may be hard for you to feel love and give love to others.
It may feel like life is not much fun, and relationships with others tend to be problematic (especially since your Moon is the DSC ruler).

Women can have a negative impact on your emotional life, so you should work on issues related to love, nurturing, women and feminity in general.

Also, look at that North Node, it conjuncts your Moon in the 5th.. so that's where you should be heading - creativity, romance, love, fun, artistic pursuits, children..

posted July 07, 2013 04:06 PM            

Neptune is about to square your Uranus - that will shake up things even more - with a dissolution of established ideas, blurring of ideas and beliefs, may indicate a bit of a personal crisis.

Transiting Pluto is now in your 12th house - the house of the unconscious, hidden stuff in your psyche, repressed energies, and self-undoing.

So, it's no surprise you're going through a rough time, so to speak.