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Topic: Composite Vs Synastry--Why? Why Not?
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 10, 2013 07:20 PM
I was reminded by Ceri that the Composite is not 'actual" placements but midpoints. It seems that the synastry will be good and the Comp not good or vice versa. How do you reconcile this? What do you say to a couple coming to you asking about their relationship. I had a friend who showed me her synastry and it was outstanding. Her Comp was terrible. I told her that the Comp would make ME take a step back. She didn't but I would like to see what you all think about this subject. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 3082 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 10, 2013 07:42 PM
Hmm I have an awesome composite with my best friend. We were living together for awhile and it was just amazing.In our composite chart we both shared jupiter conjunct leo asc exact and moon conjunct dsc exact. Also sun conjuncts mercury and venus in aries. The only reason we're not living together is because of life and work etc. We plan on getting an apartment together next year. I think the two are important. Our synastry is okay too. Personally find composite charts more revealing when things get serious. IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue Knowflake Posts: 3078 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted July 10, 2013 07:44 PM
I personally don't think composite aspects that mock "bad" natal chart aspects are as bad. (For example: two people having Venus opp Saturn would have it in the composite - which might seem terrible but really they're just on the same page and have been working through that energy their whole lives.)My natal chart is troublesome so any of those aspects in my composite don't bother me. Ones I do not have natally seem to make more of an impact. Also - I think chart ruler in composite is underrated from my experience. I don't hear about it so much. I know a lot of birth times and see a distinct difference between composites with well/poor aspected chart rulers. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 10, 2013 09:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: Hmm I have an awesome composite with my best friend. We were living together for awhile and it was just amazing.In our composite chart we both shared jupiter conjunct leo asc exact and moon conjunct dsc exact. Also sun conjuncts mercury and venus in aries. The only reason we're not living together is because of life and work etc. We plan on getting an apartment together next year. I think the two are important. Our synastry is okay too. Personally find composite charts more revealing when things get serious.
Interesting, K. Thanks for your input! ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 10, 2013 09:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by peachbeigeblue: I personally don't think composite aspects that mock "bad" natal chart aspects are as bad. (For example: two people having Venus opp Saturn would have it in the composite - which might seem terrible but really they're just on the same page and have been working through that energy their whole lives.)My natal chart is troublesome so any of those aspects in my composite don't bother me. Ones I do not have natally seem to make more of an impact. Also - I think chart ruler in composite is underrated from my experience. I don't hear about it so much. I know a lot of birth times and see a distinct difference between composites with well/poor aspected chart rulers.
Interesting. Thanks for the insight about chart ruler Peach! ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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12thhouser Knowflake Posts: 1370 From: Registered: Feb 2012
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posted July 11, 2013 02:10 AM
What you'll desire out of a relationship (whether a friendship or more romantic) is a synastry chart with softer aspects (to more or less get along, have a greater flow of energy between you two) and a composite with harder aspects to bind the relationship together. From what I've read elsewhere online, the terms "good" and "bad" get scoffed at by many, if not most astrologers.IP: Logged |
its_aqua Knowflake Posts: 493 From: Mars Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 11, 2013 02:28 AM
So far, I havent been able to check any composites with exes cause I feel embarassed to ask for the other persons TOB. I remember there was a topic once here debating that the composite isnt worthy at all. Since the composite represents the relationship I think it's significant, but I dont know if it's better than synastry. What did eventually happened with your friends relationship Ami Anne? Did it work out?I would also like to ask your opinion on the Davison chart ?! Here is the old topic about the composite: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/217136.html IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 7080 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 11, 2013 02:55 AM
People need to stop compartmentalize these different parts of astrology. They are interdependent.Natal - synastry - composite Both the synastry as well as the composite are a reflection of our natal configurations. They have to be seen in context. And the context is ALWAYS the natal chart. IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez Knowflake Posts: 4034 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted July 11, 2013 02:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: People need to stop compartmentalize these different parts of astrology. They are interdependent.Natal - synastry - composite Both the synastry as well as the composite are a reflection of our natal configurations. They have to be seen in context. And the context is ALWAYS the natal chart.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 11, 2013 07:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: People need to stop compartmentalize these different parts of astrology. They are interdependent.Natal - synastry - composite Both the synastry as well as the composite are a reflection of our natal configurations. They have to be seen in context. And the context is ALWAYS the natal chart.
Ok--the context stems from the natal. However, I have a practical situation for you. A couple has a wonderful bonded synastry and a Comp which looks like cats and dogs fighting and tell you they want to get married. What do you do? I get this kind of thing. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 11, 2013 07:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by 12thhouser: What you'll desire out of a relationship (whether a friendship or more romantic) is a synastry chart with softer aspects (to more or less get along, have a greater flow of energy between you two) and a composite with harder aspects to bind the relationship together. From what I've read elsewhere online, the terms "good" and "bad" get scoffed at by many, if not most astrologers.
Wonderful post. I use the words good and bad because I like to be direct.
I get flak but my personal approach to Astrology is to make it understandable and practical, all of which *I* want when I am learning. IQ is my role model. He says it out and he says it straight. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 7080 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 11, 2013 09:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Ok--the context stems from the natal. However, I have a practical situation for you. A couple has a wonderful bonded synastry and a Comp which looks like cats and dogs fighting and tell you they want to get married. What do you do? I get this kind of thing.
what is wonderfully bonded about the synastry? What is so bad about the composite? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 11, 2013 09:32 AM
Ok--the synastry had moon conj Moon. I can't remember everything but Moons are my main thing to look at. That is the core of a relationship imoThe Comp was almost all oppositions. I can't remember every detail but it looked like cats and dogs kind of pulls. I don't think the Moon did well in the Comp. Could it have been unaspected. I can't remember but I did not like it. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 7080 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 11, 2013 09:36 AM
One aspect doesn`t make a synastry nor a composite. not even Moon/Moon, though I agree that this for sure is an emotional bonding aspect. But what are you bonded to?also, remember, oppositions in the composite are the same as conjunctions (mathematically). As they depict the far midpoint instead of the near one, which we favour. Nothing bad about oppositions in a composite; it depends more on the interconnected planets than the aspect.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 11, 2013 09:49 AM
it depends more on the interconnected planets than the aspect.Can you explain this more? Thank you for all your effort and trouble! ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 7080 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 11, 2013 11:33 AM
Aspects are showing how much energy flows in a connection, and how smooth or rough, maybe.But the planets are the sender and receiver of these energies. If the planets are compatible or even better complimentary themselves, not even a square aspect need to be scary. However if you have squares with let`s say, Saturn and or URanus to Moon, now that would be a total different scenario (though it still depends if you have such an aspect natally or not). But generally speaking the super emotionally attached Moon will feel hurt by the perceived coldness or detachment. And if it is a square aspect this conflict becomes very clearly seen. In some way it would still even be there in a trine, but in a trine aspect the intensity is lowered down and they will find easier ways to agree, even though Moon and Uranus are still very different energies. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 11, 2013 11:49 AM
Interesting Ceri I never thought about it this way .With Moon/Uranus, i would see it as positive in a trine in synastry and maybe hard in a trine in Comp. Is that what you are saying?------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 7080 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 11, 2013 12:41 PM
No, Moon - Uranus trine is not a hard aspect in composite. Why would it be? Though the emotional connection (Moon) would probably be a bit uranian, and depending on your natal chart and needs, for some people the airiness of this, the slight space and detachment, can feel like a "misfit" (if their natal Moon is in Cancer conjunct Pluto for example) - the potentially nice breezy emotional connection (composite Moon trine Uranus) will leave their intense and passionate natal emotional needs starving for closeness.Despite the nice composite aspect, they might feel it is just not "enough". (this would be even more pronounced if the aspect was a conjunction, opposition or square) IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 11, 2013 12:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: No, Moon - Uranus trine is not a hard aspect in composite. Why would it be? Though the emotional connection (Moon) would probably be a bit uranian, and depending on your natal chart and needs, for some people the airiness of this, the slight space and detachment, can feel like a "misfit" (if their natal Moon is in Cancer conjunct Pluto for example) - the potentially nice breezy emotional connection (composite Moon trine Uranus) will leave their intense and passionate natal emotional needs starving for closeness.Despite the nice composite aspect, they might feel it is just not "enough". (this would be even more pronounced if the aspect was a conjunction, opposition or square)
I see. I have not looked at the charts this way. Did you name the book in the other thread. I think I saw it. I will get it. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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eyes_like_pisces Knowflake Posts: 147 From: mpls, mn, usa Registered: Feb 2013
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posted July 11, 2013 05:46 PM
Composites still confuse me. I guess I hold value on synastry more because I can make sense of it.I mean composites are what a reflection of the relationship? So isn't it how others interact with the couple? Or is it really how the individuals make a compramise to blend together? I guess the only way to to find out astrologically is from a midpoint calculation, but it just seems like an educated guess or assumption. Who's to say that a moon in aries and moon in libra will interact like cancer? And not that libra moon flex's its emotions to act more like aries and thus the couple have more of an aries moon? (hopefully that made sense. And then if you compare composites to natal you'll get very different results than you will in synastry. If you have a opposition moon aspect in synastry it creates a square in the composite and if you have a trine aspect in synastry you get a sextile in a composite. And squares in synastry create sextiles, while sextiles create semi-sextiles. It just seems that synastry and composites balance each other out. Unless I'm reading this all wrong? I never heard the opposites in composites are really conjunctions? I have sun opposite Venus in my composite, and sun opposite Venus DW in my synastry. Sun trine sun and Venus trine Venus. So I'm I little confused by this. Sorry if I seems to have more questions than answers, ha. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 43632 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 11, 2013 06:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by eyes_like_pisces: Composites still confuse me. I guess I hold value on synastry more because I can make sense of it.I mean composites are what a reflection of the relationship? So isn't it how others interact with the couple? Or is it really how the individuals make a compramise to blend together? I guess the only way to to find out astrologically is from a midpoint calculation, but it just seems like an educated guess or assumption. Who's to say that a moon in aries and moon in libra will interact like cancer? And not that libra moon flex's its emotions to act more like aries and thus the couple have more of an aries moon? (hopefully that made sense. And then if you compare composites to natal you'll get very different results than you will in synastry. If you have a opposition moon aspect in synastry it creates a square in the composite and if you have a trine aspect in synastry you get a sextile in a composite. And squares in synastry create sextiles, while sextiles create semi-sextiles. It just seems that synastry and composites balance each other out. Unless I'm reading this all wrong? I never heard the opposites in composites are really conjunctions? I have sun opposite Venus in my composite, and sun opposite Venus DW in my synastry. Sun trine sun and Venus trine Venus. So I'm I little confused by this. Sorry if I seems to have more questions than answers, ha.
That does make logical sense. Great post! ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 1196 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2013 01:37 AM
I have gone back and forth on this subject. I was even willing to say that a great composite will beat a lousy synastry. But I had to change my mind. Now I am convinced both charts are important to determine long term success in a relationship. If the synastry is great, but the composite not good, then only half of the equation for a success is there. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 1196 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2013 01:39 AM
And yes, I agree with Ceriden that you must compare the composite chart to each person's natal to see how the relationship will be experienced by each person. IP: Logged |