posted December 30, 2012 09:02 AM            

I'll tell you why.

Isn't the whole point anyway of people looking into astrology in a relational context, to see what feelings people elicit or trigger in one another, and whether or not they get along, and whether or not they can have something lasting?

I think if you focus solely on synastry (including the vertex) and natal midpoints, you get the complete picture.

I'll give some (general)examples to show how I came to this conclusion. I have a damn good composite with an ex. I'm really not overstating that - but we just don't care about one another. Which seems weird until you look at the synastry and realize that almost none of our planets fall anywhere near each other, and that for the most part, none of my planets land on his natal midpoints (or vice versa).

Then there's other people that I have horrible composites with, but in synastry our planets fall all over each other in conjunctions, and a lot of our planets fall on one another's natal midpoints as well, along with aspects to one another's vertex, and there were intense feelings with those people and we react strongly to one another.

I think composites are worthless, and that as long as the synastry is good (and by 'good', I mean as long as the bulk of the subjects planets form some kind of major aspect to one another), that's all that's needed. Because even if the composite is bad, at least they trigger something in one another, and a lot of times, that's enough to make them determined to want to be together, period - even if the relationship is full of difficulties in one way or another, they'll go for it anyway because of how they make one another feel (the synastry). And if they feelings (synastry) are strong enough, they'll stick around for the long haul with one another in spite of all the hardships.

Which makes composites basically meaningless, anyway.

I want to put a disclaimer here, that I'm not a professional astrologer by any means whatsoever. Not even close. And I know there's people out there on other sites who know so much astrology that they could probably school me all day long. So I don't want to give the impression that I think I have it all figured out and that I have the audacity to try and rewrite a subject that's thousands of years old.

I know my place in all of this, so it isn't about sweeping in and thinking I know all the answers and can just change astrology for the hell of it. In fact, I'm one of those people who usually gets angry when people try to peddle around homemade theories or give out incorrect astrological info or try to change the rules of the science/art.I have a lot of respect for astrology and I'm a purist because I believe that nine times out of ten, that's how you get an accurate reading, and astrology 'as is', for the most part, has shown itself (to me, anyway) to be overwhelmingly accurate with its current set of rules and procedures.

But I noticed things where relational astrology is concerned, that just didn't add up to me, so I wanted to raise my hand and say something. Is it possible that I'm just wrong and that what I'm saying here could be explained by something that I just haven't learned yet? Abso-freakin'-lutely. But right now, as I type this, I just think composites are useless.

posted December 30, 2012 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by mockingbird:
*grabs popcorn*

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posted December 30, 2012 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
I second this.

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posted January 01, 2013 08:37 PM            

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posted January 01, 2013 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I used to think this, too, until I started doing them

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I think you have a point here. I got started on astrology at a very young age, and honestly I used to disregard a lot of stuff... Until I started doing them for myself over an extended period of time. I used to be like this about the Vertex, and now I'm darn well obsessed with it! Not kidding.

posted January 01, 2013 09:19 PM            

Are you speaking of hard aspects between planets, thinking that equals a "horrible composite"?

Please, articulate.

posted January 01, 2013 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
lol, okay, to say "horrible composites," "great synastry," etc. really isn't saying much of anything.

Are you speaking of hard aspects between planets, thinking that equals a "horrible composite"?

Please, articulate.

Thanks.

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I'm talking about composites riddled with squares. Lots of em.

posted January 01, 2013 10:59 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I'd like to say that squares do not make for "horrible" composite/synastry charts. Squares are not bad! They provide energy and invigoration. But otherwise, yeah, continue.

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posted January 01, 2013 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I used to think this, too, until I started doing them

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posted January 02, 2013 12:50 AM            

I think people refer to charts as the final say so and base decisions entirely on astrology all too often. There are many stereotypes in astrology as well. Astrology is fun and mostly accurate (IMO)... but I do not make relationship decisions (or any decision) based upon what the charts say.

posted January 02, 2013 01:13 AM            

I'm not on solid enough theoretical footing to give a real answer to this. All I can say is that, in my experience, they hold at least for marriages, perhaps other long-term relationships - that is, relationships in which the "relationship" has historically had institutional or legal heft (spouses, direct family, etc).

This is an amorphous thought in even my own head, but, like, if you can point to someone and say that they're your X, Y, or Z (husband, wife [or whatever - I'm not going to make this necessarily heteronormative or bound by convention], father, mother, sibling, etc) - that is, if the relationship is a thing apart from the two people involved, composites may apply.

And, again, as I'm not an expert and can only offer incidental evidence:
As far as I can remember, my ex husband and I had an interesting synastry, but the composite almost had a story. I'm not going to dig it up right now, but there was a bunch of Uranus action, a heavy 4th, and Saturn.
In hindsight, that kind of screams, "KIDS/A FAMILY, ABRUPT SHIFT/END, BUT YOU'RE STUCK WITH EACH OTHER FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 18 YEARS".
And that's what happened* [see edit at end of post].

With my current husband and I, the synastry's, well, OK. There are some very nice things going on between my Mars and his Mars/Venus. There's a little Pluto.
There's no significant Saturn action.
Our Composite's awfully pretty, though, and seems to tell more of the story of our relationship-as-a-thing. It has this beautiful Grand Trine in the water houses of our 12hMoon/4hSun+Merc/7hSaturn, all in earth signs. And that scary old (very busy) Saturn has nothing but trines and sextiles touching it.
This relationship was very *BOOM* and now this EXISTS, and is a really a fantastic marriage (and I know from bad marriages /Rodney Dangerfield voice).

posted January 02, 2013 01:21 AM            

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Then there's other people that I have horrible composites with, but in synastry our planets fall all over each other in conjunctions, and a lot of our planets fall on one another's natal midpoints as well, along with aspects to one another's vertex, and there were intense feelings with those people and we react strongly to one another.

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That is to say, this seems to me to hold true apart from composites.

Like, you could have an ex to which you react strongly to/with and to which you *still* react strongly; but, for some reason, the relationship just didn't hold. Something misfires once the two people are in a "thing" together for any length.
I mean, you hear about that all the time.

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I have a damn good composite with an ex. I'm really not overstating that - but we just don't care about one another.

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posted January 02, 2013 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:

I think people refer to charts as the final say so and base decisions entirely on astrology all too often. There are many stereotypes in astrology as well. Astrology is fun and mostly accurate (IMO)... but I do not make relationship decisions (or any decision) based upon what the charts say.

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i agree with this. it's like, you meet an awesome person, great connection, great vibes etc, but yet because the composite is "bad", i'm gonna cut ties with that person because some chart says it ain't gonna work out anyways? nah..regardless of what the chart says, i'm still going to do me, and not let some chart rule my decisions in my relationships.nor who i get in a relationship with... no matter how accurate many of the things i've read are,i still think it's pretty extreme to let astrology dictate how you're going to live your life.. i don't even bother with looking at composite charts for fun anymore (at least not before, nor during, the relationship) in case knowing the charts results, subconsciously influences my decisions on my relatioship(s) lol.

posted January 02, 2013 06:14 AM            

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I'd like to say that squares do not make for "horrible" composite/synastry charts.

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