posted July 12, 2013 05:28 AM            

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Ceridwen: However, your defensive reaction really baffles me.

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They have an oh-so-great (read: unevolved) Leo Mercury and every other Mercury is below theirs, so of course someone like that is baffling to a well functioning person. But I'd like to point out they seemed to only be doing draco-to-draco synastry, not draco-to-natal. Maybe they should check it out?

posted July 12, 2013 07:09 AM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
CERI -

would one person feel the draco more?
For example if Person A's ascendant conjunct Person B's Draco Ascendant and makes other noteworthy conjunctions..

but Person B's tropical to Person A's draco doesn't make as many aspects

would the draco person or the tropical person feel it more? or would it be even?

ALSO: have you heard/read anything about draco vertex to tropical vertex in synastry? or draco venus to tropical vertex?

very intrigued right now

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Pamela Crane, the author of "Draconic astrology", states that the tropical planet person will feel their planet being triggered, the Draco-person is the one feeling more of a "meant to be" "bigger than us" kind of feeling.

posted July 12, 2013 07:12 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:

I think I'm going to run some of my relationships through draco-to-natal synastry actually! It sounds promising!

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I am not so sure about Draco-Draco-synastry. I mean I check it, too. But while I have found that if a Draco-Draco aspect has a hook into a tropical planet, it shows clearly (at least in the charts I researched), I am not so sure if a Draco-DRaco-aspect is enough. It might be just hovering in midair somehow, very hard to grasp and expressed in practical terms. While if you have a tropical planet there, that is where the energy gets poured into.

My example from my own chart is that Draco Moon being exactly conjunct my tropical DESC.
Encounters and relationships become a gateway for me to experience another layer (I don`t want to say "deeper" cause I don`t want to put a label or judgement on it) of my emotions.

In synastry my best friend`s tropical Moon is exactly conjunct my Draco Sun (and my tropical Moon is conjunct her Draco Sun - interestingly her husband`s tropical Moon is conjunct her Draco Sun as well).

She was the one who saw the qualities of my Draco Sun in Aries in me and reflected that back tome, long before I was even aware of it. She always mentioned how she admired my independence, confidence and energy, when I didn´t think I was even having all that.
However she put me also in situations where I had to use these qualities I didn´t think I have (for example calling me one day telling me I was needed to write a theatre play for church, where the chorus could neither dance nor act, the actours wouldn´t dance nor sing and the dancers wouldn`t sing nor act. But all three groups had to be integrated. And "btw Ceri, we need the play until end of this months, cause we have to show it to the priest and organize the rehearsals" - the thing that baffles me the most about it, is that it actually did work out. lol).

posted July 12, 2013 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Pamela Crane, the author of "Draconic astrology", states that the tropical planet person will feel their planet being triggered, the Draco-person is the one feeling more of a "meant to be" "bigger than us" kind of feeling.

Generally I think Vertex connections would be just as valid as in tropical synastry, but with the Vertex I`d like to see a planet attached to it, as the Vertex angle seems to magnify or electrify what it touches, bu if it is only both Vertexes, I am not sure what is being "amped up".
With Venus, it certainly has to do with attraction, love, creativity, relating and everything Venus stands for.

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posted July 12, 2013 04:19 PM            

In tropical there is no venus mars interaspects, nor mars - moon. When we look at draconic it's the following:

His draconic mars conjunct her tropical venus and south node.
His tropical mars opposite her draconic moon.
Both aspects are 0 degree orb.

posted July 12, 2013 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Ugh, you know everything.
If its okay with you id like to share some aspects of my Draco/tropical synastry I have with my boyfriend to you. I was kinda floored when I was looking at it yesterday and I was using Ceri orbs, promise. I ll post after work if that's ok with you. Our relationship feels very fated, we have indicators in regular synastry but this feels more special because we also have the Draco and I've had fated indicators with plenty of exes I grew from before

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Thanks, but no, I definitely don´t know everything.

However, it`s important that there are markers in the regular synastry as well. The Draconics adds a different spin, another layer, but it doesn`t make up for the lack of aspects. So I am glad you mentioned you already have these markers in regular synastry.

posted July 12, 2013 04:50 PM            

My draco and his tropical
His tropical ASC is Scorpio 29.30
My Draco ASC is Scorpio 27.58

His tropical Sun is Taurus 25.22
My draco Pluto is Scorpio 25.17
His tropical Moon is Taurus 26.36
My draco moon is Taurus 27.39

His tropical Mercury is Gemini 17.08
My draco Jupiter is Gemini 17.38

His tropical Vertex is Cancer 14.23
My draco Venus is Cancer 13.41
My draco Vertex is Cancer 10.19
i know that vertex/vertex is wide for you, but i couldn't help myself

His draco and my tropical
My tropical Jupiter is Gemini 2.10
His draco Sun is Gemini 4.21
His draco Moon is Gemini 5.25

My tropical Venus is Gemini 28.13
His draco Mercury is Gemini 26.07

Draco to draco we have Vertex conjunct Venus
His draco Venus is Cancer 8.38
My draco Vertex being Cancer 10.19 as mentioned

posted July 12, 2013 04:53 PM            

first of all, the Draconic doesn`t make up for the lack of Venus-Mars aspects in the "regular synastry, if that was what you have in mind.

However, of course it has meaning though.

I am not sure how much these isolated aspects really mean, of course everything has to be seen in context. But then again, one has to start somewhere, right?

"His draconic mars conjunct her tropical venus and south node."
sounds karmic to me. I mean we have the South node Here AND the DRaco chart, which is a nodal chart, how could it not be karmic? And both karmic markers are connected to Venus and Mars, so I`d say either a past life affair or this kind of attraction is bound to happen in this life to lead them somewhere.

She might feel a deep familiarity with his masculine Self, and might appreciate and love these Yang qualities, she perceives in him. I have no clue though what sign or house his Draco Mars is in or her Venus for that matter.
He might feel an attraction to her for her ability to see the man he potentially is or can be, some sort of not so obvious qualities in him.

posted July 12, 2013 05:28 PM            

In my private practice, I am quite comfortable with the symbolism of the Nodal Axis as a barometer of the reflection of a heightened maternal influence in one’s life. But there are many who use the Nodes differently.

In astrological tradition, the Moon’s Nodes are associated with soul growth. The North Node (for beginners, the symbol looks like a set of stereo headphones - ") has been thought to represent, by Sign and House, the nature and area of life experience in which the greatest level of soul growth can and should take place in one’s life. The South Node (Á), by Sign and House, is said to represent the nature of and the area of life experience that is comfortable, a place that one retreats to under duress because of the soul’s familiarity with those dimensions in experience (ostensibly from past lives).

The Moon’s nodes are called the Dragon’s head and tail (north and south respectively) in western astrology and Rahu and Ketu in Vedic astrology. The word dragon is etymologically derived from the Greek word drakon, which means “large serpent." Rahu and Ketu are recognized as serpent powers in Hindu astrology so there is a direct association between the dragons of the west and the serpents of the east.

Where the Moon’s orbit crosses the apparent path of the Sun (the ecliptic), two crossing points are formed: The Moon moves northward across the ecliptic and the Moon moves southward across the ecliptic. The northern crossing is named the North Node. The southern crossing is named the South Node. Ancient astrologers saw these points of contact on the ecliptic as being representative of the points where the divine could enter into our lives. This quickly became associated with an act of Grace, an act of Karma and many mythologies surround the Nodes because of this.

The most popular myth connected with the Nodes is the Greek poem, “The Quest of the Golden Fleece." In this poem, Greek hero, Jason, searches for a prized fleece that is guarded by a dangerous serpent-dragon that never sleeps. Accompanied by the enchantress Medea, she lulls the dragon to sleep in order to give Jason a chance to capture the fleece. Jason ends up getting swallowed anyway and is later regurgitated by the beast. He is revived by Medea who charms the beast enough for Jason to finally capture the fleece and continue along his journey. The operative theme words in this myth are “swallowed" and “regurgitated," which is really another way of saying death and rebirth. Any number of myths regarding the Nodal Axis that are recounted along these lines all have to do with the idea of birth and rebirth, of past and present lives, thus karma, reincarnation, and soul growth. Stated simply, the Nodal Axis is linked with personal karma.

The Nodal Axis in Synastry
Keeping with the idea that the Nodes have a karmic symbolism, it becomes easy to understand how the use of the Nodal Axis in synastry is very important in gauging relationship potential.

There are relationships that come and go without much of a lasting effect in one’s life and then there are relationships that make a lasting impact forever. In some cases, these kinds of relationships are bigger than the two people. It is as if some power beyond the two people is calling the shots of the relationship to a significance that goes beyond the norm. Two people are seemingly swept away with what happens between them and important life lessons are learned. We can be glib and suggest that these kinds of relationships exist because the souls of two people have a kind of recognition that goes beyond what can be understood with the eyes on the physical level. Whatever the reason might be, there is simply no question that there is major relationship potential suggested when the planets or an Angle of one horoscope makes contact with the Nodal Axis in another horoscope.

Because the Lunar Nodal Axis is the symbol of the Moon’s (female) intersection with the Sun’s (male) apparent path around the Earth (ecliptic) and because of the association with birth and rebirth, thus past lives, we see it as being a very primary symbol to be used in synastry. Using a three degree orb maximum, contacts (conjunction, square, and quindecile) made from one person’s planets or Angle to the other person’s Nodal Axis is an indication of a link between two people that is of such potential profundity that it cannot be fully understood (I also count trines but with no more than a two degree orb). We assume that the relationship has strong karmic implications about it that heavily impacts the lives of the two people in the relationship.

The Draconic (or Nodal) Horoscope
The term, “soul mate" is commonly used as a description of the “perfect partner," one who fits the ideal that is desired. The longing for a soul mate is what frequently leads people to seek a consultation with an astrologer, usually as a result of too great a frequency of failed relationships. The failed relationships create a sense of self-protection that then manifests idealistically as the desire for the perfect partner. The perfect partner (human), of course, doesn’t exist and neither does a soul-mate. But the soul does exist and we know that there is a link between the Nodal Axis and soul dimensions. Therefore, a system of astrology, a zodiac that is nodal-based is going to theoretically reflect soul dimensions.

When we begin discussions of the soul dimension, we must refer back to the Lunar Nodal Axis. We have seen how there is an association between the ideas of karma and past-lives that is connected to the Lunar Nodal Axis. The Nodal Horoscope is based on the Lunar Nodal Axis so the entire horoscope reflects the state of the soul just as a Tropical horoscope reflects the state of your physical interaction with the environment.

Origins of the Draconic Zodiac
The Draconic system of astrology has been in existence for centuries. However, the awareness of it came into being strongly through the astrological work of the late, great psychic, Edgar Cayce.

Anyone who is reading this site will be familiar with Edgar Cayce as one of the most gifted psychics ever. Working in a trance state, he was able to help thousands of people with health concerns, spiritual direction, practical advice, etc. Cayce could memorize the contents of a book by sleeping on it! In response to what actually happened within him during his trance states, Cayce explained that he was able to contact the great hall of records called, “Akasha." He said that the information came through him, that it was given to him by the Godforce, by the universe.

In the wonderful biography of Cayce, titled, “There Is A River," we learn that a man named Arthur Lammers contacted Cayce to see if he could use Cayce’s gifts to get questions answered about various metaphysical subjects, one of which was astrology. Cayce was presented with birth information while in his trance state. However, the things that Cayce said in describing a horoscope did not make sense. He would say, for example, that a certain planet is prominent when the planet was not Angular or prominent in any way. As time passed, we learned that what Cayce was given in his trance state when doing astrology was the Nodal system, not the Tropical system. And we have to assume that this is the system that came through him because it describes the state of the soul’s evolvement at this point in time (or in this incarnation).

Constructing the Draconic Horoscope
Almost all professional software programs in astrology have an option to calculate a horoscope in the Nodal zodiac. Your software will refer to it as “Draconic." What the computer realizes and does in its calculation of a Nodal horoscope is as follows:

The Lunar Nodal Axis is at 0 Aries-Libra in every horoscope constructed in the Nodal zodiac because that is the point on the Moon’s orbit where it passes from south to north of the ecliptic.
All positions in the Tropical horoscope are measured in terms of their distances from the Mean North Node in the horoscope. This distance, in degrees, is then added or subtracted (depending upon the position in the zodiac) to the North Node in the Draconic horoscope.

Special Considerations of the Draconic Horoscope
The planets never change Houses. They only change Signs.
2. The farther away your Tropical North Node is from 0 ARIES, the more changes there will be in the Nodal representation of it.

What the Draconic Horoscope Symbolizes
Our Tropical system in astrology is Sun-based. It can be said that the horoscopes that emanate from the Tropical system of astrology describe experiences of interactions with the physical environment and not necessarily the soul-dimension. The Nodal Zodiac symbolizes the state of evolvement of one’s soul development. The reason why Cayce was not given the Tropical or Sidereal systems in his trance states is because those systems do not address the evolutionary state of the soul. The Nodal zodiac is an extension of what we have learned about the Lunar Nodal Axis, both spiritually and synastrically. The “larger than life" bonding that is present in Nodal Axis contacts becomes amplified in Draconic system ties. Nodal horoscope positions symbolize the expression of planetary energies at the soul level. These expressions are then shown to the environment through the Tropical positions. It can be said of the Nodal system positions that it is a horoscope that shows you more of the role that you play in the world from a spiritual point of view.

Finally, utilization of the Nodal zodiac adds other options to synastric analysis! This will show, as it were, the highest symbolism of “soul mate" potential that we have in astrology, again, extending the symbolism of what we have learned about the Nodal Axis.

There are instances in synastry where two people have been in a long, fulfilling relationship for tens of years, yet, the expected inter-aspect contacts are not there. I have found that when you construct either horoscope using the Nodal system (Tropical to Nodal), the strong contact is there. And when the synastry includes strong ties from each Nodal horoscope, it is an indication of a “soul-mate" level relationship.

Example
I had a very meaningful, impactful relationship for 3 years that broke up primarily because her self worth issues were so unmanaged that it wasn’t possible to go through a week without being the victim of one of her temperamental explosions. This was an extremely emotional, extremely impactful relationship that changed our lives. Neither of us is the same now as we were before having known each other.

Both Tropical and Draconic comparisons are shown below. Her Ascendant exactly squares my Nodal Axis. My Uranus and Neptune square and conjoin her Nodal Axis.

It gets more dramatic when you compare our Draconic charts: Her Jupiter and Neptune conjoin my Ascendant. Her Mars and my Pluto conjoin, surely the symbol of two souls at war. Her Saturn opposes my Moon, the emotional weight that I felt. Her Uranus squares my Sun.

You can even take it a step further, comparing my Tropical to her Draconic: We now see her Pluto opposing my Sun (doesn’t get more impactful than that; her Uranus is on my Ascendant; my Venus is on her Ascendant; her Mars squares my Sun, which means that her natal Mars-Pluto square, in the Draconic system, squares my Tropical Sun. All of these symbolisms are so, so, so, too true!

Summary
Despite the spiritual dimensions that are associated with the Nodal horoscope, I would suggest that you look for the aspect contacts between these horoscopes without attaching spiritual significance to them. Simply use the system as another option in synastry with the understanding that it represents a deep inner level. The options in synastry are Tropical to Tropical, Tropical to Nodal, Nodal to Tropical, and Nodal to Nodal using a Person A and Person B scenario.

Lastly, use common sense in synastry. Horoscopes will not make a relationship last. There are many, many pieces of a puzzle that must fit for a relationship to work fulfillingly. Astrology should be used only as a guide in the process. After all, I am sure that there is some woman somewhere who has the perfect synastry with Mike Tyson but you can be certain that any relationship with an individual who is as troubled as he is will not work.

The analysis of each individual horoscope in a relationship cannot be overemphasized. Unmanaged issues tear relationships apart as much or more than any other factor. You must always check for the issues first, see if they have been managed, and then compare horoscopes for potential. In the end, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and nothing surpasses experiencing time with the other person. The horoscopes are not in the relationship. People are and it is the two people that have to make things happen. Their horoscopes are only a reflection of potential.

The Nodal Horoscope Parts I and II
© 2003 Basil Fearrington
All Rights Reserved"

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posted July 12, 2013 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"f you have time to look at this. I tried to use Ceri orbs."
LOL
3 degrees are absolutely fine with me. Especially if htere are also other aspects lined up in the same complex with tighter orb.

I will have a closer look tomorrow.

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posted July 13, 2013 06:11 AM            

like always the conjunctions of Draconic planets to tropical angles are the most important, as the angles represent our "antennas into the world", through which (in DRaco system) the "soulexperiences" pour into the physical world and become manifested.

But anyway your positions:

"His tropical ASC is Scorpio 29.30
My Draco ASC is Scorpio 27.58"
He embodies in very observable terms something that resonates strongly with you, as you have it inside yourself, and he may actually act as a catalyst to bring awareness of that deeper level of personal energy inside your soul.

(I have experienced the same, just in my case my conjunction of Draco Mars and Draco Neptune plus some asteroids were also conjunct his tropical ASC, and in his case his Draconic BML fell there, too, opposite hi tropical Saturn - epic. lol)

"His tropical Sun is Taurus 25.22
My draco Pluto is Scorpio 25.17
His tropical Moon is Taurus 26.36
My draco moon is Taurus 27.39"
Sounds extremely intense to me. Also includes 3 luminaries and the big transformator Pluto, sounds like a very intense soulmateship to me (in the sense that you touch very deep and vital part in each other).
For you it might even go deeper, as this is on your Draconic level, which is already lunar based.
Through the way he is (his Sun-Moon-conjunction) he activates very strong intense passionate emotions inside you (your Moon-Pluto-opposition), very kathartic.
It depends a little how you can deal with such strong emotions, and of course like always, how conscious you are about that inner level.
It could become a little problematic if you start seeing him as your only gateway to experience your inner emotional strength and depth. He might bring it to light or awareness, but it is part of yourself, so you can always find a way to access it, once you have experienced it.

"His tropical Mercury is Gemini 17.08
My draco Jupiter is Gemini 17.38"
Talking to him makes you aware of your deep seated beliefs. It is a wonderful one for communication, and discussions (especially being in Gemini). Maybe even a bit flirtative, as this happens in the Libran decan of Gemini.

"His tropical Vertex is Cancer 14.23
My draco Venus is Cancer 13.41
My draco Vertex is Cancer 10.19
i know that vertex/vertex is wide for you, but i couldn't help myself "
Not really sure about this one.

I think you will need a tropical planet triggering this or setting it off, as Vertex signifies the "out of the blue"-experiences, which have to be initiated by something touching it and energizing it. Energizers are planets. Here it is your Draco Venus, and that is on an inner soul level. The only way I could see this play out, is if your deeply seated soul-love and feminity is bringing this fated experiences to him.
However usually we need something tropical to wake up the Draco level, to bring it to light. The tropical zodiac relates to the Sun, which is the one who illuminates and brings to light. The Draconic zodiac relates to the Moon, which is the receptive one, the one who - even though already being there, always- needs to be ligthened up, illuminated to become more visible.

"My tropical Jupiter is Gemini 2.10
His draco Sun is Gemini 4.21
His draco Moon is Gemini 5.25"
Your support and friendship probably brings his inner core to life. Maybe he even feels like he can show you his vulnerable sides because of your generous supportive vibe.

"My tropical Venus is Gemini 28.13
His draco Mercury is Gemini 26.07"
On a deep level he probably feels mentally drawn to your communicative feminity; maybe your creativity as well as relatingstyle makes him feel understood on a deep level. And like i already mentioned, there is a nice flirtative vibe here.

"Draco to draco we have Vertex conjunct Venus
His draco Venus is Cancer 8.38
My draco Vertex being Cancer 10.19 as mentioned"
On a pure soul-level his way of relating, even beauty or magnetism feels very fated to you. As if your life has changed, or at least certain emotional and romantic views.
But this happens on the soullevel and could go completely unnoticed, until a trpical planet or even a transit wakes it up.

(and yes transits wake up Draco planets; nice sweet gentle Saturn in Scorpio (yeah, sarcastic voice!) had decided to spend a LOT of time near my Draco Saturn on 6 Scorpio!)

so yeah, my draco aspects his tropical a lot more, hmph."
Could mean different things.
That he activates more soulstuff for you - and yes it could mean that for you it feels more meaningful or fated than for him.

On the other hand it could also mean that he activates a variety of things for you, while your activations of his soulstuff is more focused, which gives probably more weight to the things that ARE activated in his draco.

Plus you have to take into account WHAT is being activated.
the angles, the luminaries, the (tropical) nodes themselves along with Saturn and Pluto always seem to take the cake.

posted July 13, 2013 06:43 AM            

1)
her Dr Sun 16.14 Libra
her Dr Saturn 14.23 Libra
her Dr Mars 14.54 Aries

his Dr Mars 13.05 Libra

As you can see, this takes place on a mainly Draconic level, and probably needs some strong transits or progressions to wake it up.
Still it is humming below the surface, and probably suporting their natal Sun-Mars-conjunction (her Mars on his Sun). She sais she has never been as crazy and sexually attracted to anyone as to this man, and still is, after 8 years of relationship.

(about this Saturn - while it definitely sometimes act as blockages, it also is a main glue for them. Saturn rulers her 7th and 8th house and is conjunct her Sun as you can see and opposite her Mars - so a big factor about what she views as "masculine", and her man has Saturn in 1st house, hence fitting her ideal quite well.).

2)
her Dr Moon 8.09 Pisces
her Chiron 8.57 Pisces

his Mercury 6.07 Virgo
his Dr MC 6.38 Pisces

She also stresses how easy it is to communicate with him. Well, they have their misunderstandings occasionally, but they talk it out, no matter how long it takes, and she has undergone a massive healing process since she met him.

3)
her Dr Venus 29.53 Leo

his Dr Moon 00.54 Virgo
his Pluto 01.18 Virgo

Do I REALLY have to spell this one out? )

4)
her Dr Neptune 15.57 Cancer
her ASC 14.04 Cancer

his Dr Sun 15.41 Capricorn
his Dr Uranus 16.50 Capricorn
his Venus 14.55 Cancer

his Dr Sun on her tropical DESC.
her Dr Neptune on his tropical Venus

along with the telepathy and psychic link coming with Uranus-Neptune, all being channelled through their lovely Venus-ASC-conjunction in emotional nurturing caring cancer.

(they do have Venus-Neptune and Venus-Pluto in tropical as well, as his Pluto trines her Venus and her Neptune trines his Venus).

5)
her Dr Pluto 11.49 Taurus
her Dr Chiron 9.17 scorpio
her Antivertex 8.42 Taurus

his Dr ASC 11.36 Taurus
his Mars 8.09 Taurus

(in tropical her Pluto on 11 Virgo trines his Mars as well)

6)
her MC 11.04 Aquarius
her IC 11.04 Leo
her SAturn 14.03 Aquarius
her Mars 14.34 Leo

his dr Mercury 11.03 Aquarius
his Sun 10.45 Leo
his Uranus 11.54 Leo

posted July 13, 2013 10:09 AM            

My tropical Moon - Leo 13'21
His draconic Mercury - Aquarius 13'05

My tropical Uranus - Capricorn 5'56
His tropical Sun - Aries 5'51
His draconic Venus - Capricorn 5'36

So in tropical we have this almost exact square from my Uranus to his Sun which has played out really as it should.. And now it's obvious, that there is this interplay between his draconic Venus sitting on my tropical Uranus. So i guess that is why there is this sense that nothing is easy between us. It's his draconic Venus that is activated -does it mean that he might feel this connection as something out of order?

Actually i took a look at draconic composite as well. WOW! But i'm not surprised at all. lol. I just started laughing when i saw it. Oh, sweet Uranus... Our draconic composite Sun is Capricorn 5'59, exactly conjunct my tropical Uranus!!! and his draconic Venus...
So i can conclude that it is the karmic purpose of our relationship, right?

My tropical Pluto Scorpio 16'35
His Draconic Moon Scorpio 19'34

A bit wide, but it kinda repeats what we have in tropical composite - Moon/Pluto conjunction.

My tropical Chiron Cancer 26'47
His draconic Sun Capricorn 26'53

Healing, pain, everything... All from the past?

My tropical ASC Virgo 13'39
His draconic Vertex Virgo 12'52

A sense of fatedness, i guess.

From his perspective:

His tropical Sun Aries 5'56
My draconic Jupiter Libra 5'46

His tropical Venus Pisces 14'35
My tropical DSC Pisces 13'39
My tropical Karma Pisces 15'04
His tropical Karma Virgo 14'37
My Draconic Saturn Pisces 14'40

This adds to the part of fatedness. As if it is wasn't enough with the tropical placements, if we add the exact square to all of this of my Mars from Gemini and his Uranus from Saggitarius... So it's again his Venus that is activated, only now - his tropical Venus. So he feels this again, this time from earthly perspective.

His tropical Jupiter Capricorn 11'09
His tropical DSC Capricorn 11'25
My tropical Neptune Capricorn 11'54
My draconic Pluto Capricorn 12'14

So my draconic Pluto on my own Neptune & his Jupiter - DSC conjunction... wow. Not to mention that our tropical composite Sun is Capricorn 12.... O_O

His tropical Uranus Saggitarius 13'32
My draconic Sun Saggitarius 15'05
My draconic Venus Saggitarius 10'03

You see, i included Venus - Uranus, because it seems that we have a double whammy of draconic Venus - tropical Uranus conjunction. Although this is rather wide, but the previous one was very exact indeed, so this is significant as well. Because it clearly shows the relationship pattern that we share.Given that we have a Venus - Uranus conjunction in the composite..

His tropical South Node Saggitarius 8'98
My draconic Mercury Saggitarius 8'28
My draconic Venus Saggitarius 10'03

Talking about past life love, huh?

These are the aspects of me and the one person, meeting whom totally changed my life, turned it upside down in all aspects. (I have shared my past life memories of us here, that started after the first meeting). Even if it doesn't work out between us two, i kind of know that he would always be in my life, protecting me and just being there. I just know that i can trust him more than anyone else, and this came since the first meeting.

In tropical synastry we do have Mars - Venus, DSC - Venus, Neptune - DSC, Pluto - Venus, Uranus - Sun, Moon - Uranus, Mercury - Uranus, Venus - Uranus, Mars - Uranus, ASC - Uranus, Moon - Saturn, Neptune - Venus, Sun - Mercury, MC/IC - Nodal axis, etc.

posted July 13, 2013 11:04 AM            

No, I don`t really count squares (though sometimes a natal square will be highlighted, if a planet is part of a natal square aspect, and the planet is conjunct a Draco planet).

posted July 13, 2013 04:00 PM            

I have Uranus there, as i mentioned.

posted July 13, 2013 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Peachbeigeblue,

"His tropical Vertex is Cancer 14.23
My draco Venus is Cancer 13.41
My draco Vertex is Cancer 10.19
i know that vertex/vertex is wide for you, but i couldn't help myself "
Not really sure about this one.

I think you will need a tropical planet triggering this or setting it off, as Vertex signifies the "out of the blue"-experiences, which have to be initiated by something touching it and energizing it. Energizers are planets. Here it is your Draco Venus, and that is on an inner soul level. The only way I could see this play out, is if your deeply seated soul-love and feminity is bringing this fated experiences to him.
However usually we need something tropical to wake up the Draco level, to bring it to light. The tropical zodiac relates to the Sun, which is the one who illuminates and brings to light. The Draconic zodiac relates to the Moon, which is the receptive one, the one who - even though already being there, always- needs to be ligthened up, illuminated to become more visible. .

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i was really amazed you said this about the transits awaking this. i checked the transits for the first night we kissed etc and then immediately started dating and what do ya know?
Venus was at Cancer 13 to Cancer 14 the next day. Right where my Draco Venus left it. Weird.

I also checked the day we met and transiting NN was at Scorpio 26 direct conjunct my mans asc, my draco asc, my draco pluto, opp his trop sun/moon and opp my draco moon. that's a mouthful.

it's interesting because i think he actually was more aware of how special our connection was. i think initially i did -- because the day after i met him i told his friend to text him and ask if he wanted to marry me (he said yes). But since we live a couple hours away (i met him visiting my friends) i didn't see him for a while after. he would contact me here and there but it was hard to get down there. he admitted later, after we started dating, that when he was leaving my friends' that night the way i looked at him "messed him up" and that he thought about me everyday since. i didn't return the sentiments because i think it took a longer time for me to realize how important he was going to be to me until that draco venus conjunct transiting venus conjunction.

posted July 14, 2013 05:27 AM            

That aside...

I remembered it wrong and it's actually the heliocentric charts with my significant exes, where there's no indication in the synastry that we meant anything to each other. In the Draconic there's considerably more "hits".

But not so fast.

I also have a ton of hits with the "hot" guy. Who...I think is cute, but doesn't really mean much to me on a deeper level. At one point he swore he felt some significant pull or bond towards me and I couldn't (and still can't) say it was mutual. I've realized though that in general he tends to confuse random interest in new people with genuine love.

posted July 14, 2013 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
P.S. Capricorn 5 seems to be really sensitive point for him. Not only because it is a square point to his Sun. His draconic Venus being there, makes it really significant for him in relationships.

I have Uranus there, as i mentioned.

His ex-girlfriend he loved very much has Neptune on this point.

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Yes, I have noticed that as well - not only in Draco, but tropical, too- that we have our "hot spots" and draw people to us who activate those.

BTW my tropical Venus is on 6 Capricorn.
(the 5-9 degrees cardinal are definitely a hotspot for me, not just because of Venus, but my IC-MC axis runs along 5 Aries-Libra, and Pluto is on 9 Libra and my Draco Karma is on 6 LIbra and Draco Juno on 6 Cancer).

posted July 14, 2013 06:06 AM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
(i thought i posted earlier but apparently, i had lost the text)
Thank you so much for walking me through these aspects. Mucho appreciated. I read them to my boyfriend too and, although I might as well have been talking in another language when i was saying "draco blahblahblah to tropical this," he still agreed that your descriptions sounded accurate.

i was really amazed you said this about the transits awaking this. i checked the transits for the first night we kissed etc and then immediately started dating and what do ya know?
Venus was at Cancer 13 to Cancer 14 the next day. Right where my Draco Venus left it. Weird.

I also checked the day we met and transiting NN was at Scorpio 26 direct conjunct my mans asc, my draco asc, my draco pluto, opp his trop sun/moon and opp my draco moon. that's a mouthful.

it's interesting because i think he actually was more aware of how special our connection was. i think initially i did -- because the day after i met him i told his friend to text him and ask if he wanted to marry me (he said yes). But since we live a couple hours away (i met him visiting my friends) i didn't see him for a while after. he would contact me here and there but it was hard to get down there. he admitted later, after we started dating, that when he was leaving my friends' that night the way i looked at him "messed him up" and that he thought about me everyday since. i didn't return the sentiments because i think it took a longer time for me to realize how important he was going to be to me until that draco venus conjunct transiting venus conjunction.

You're basically a wizard. I hope I am as knowledgeable about astrology in time.

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I am glad that it did resonate with the both of you.
However I have been thinking about the Draco-Draco aspects without outlet; it might be like in the article stated that these are indicative of soul-to-soul connections, and still very valid.
But I still think Draco planets probably need an outlet through the tropical, to be grasped. Otherwise these Draco-Draco aspects might just be simmering down below; you feel there is something, but you can`t really grasp what it is.
Transits definitely help activating these.
Actually transits usually are needed to activate any kind of synastry.
We have such a lot of synastric interrelations, but most of them lay dormant much of the time, so something has to wake them up.
Bringing some of them to centre stage.

Also, I have been talking to Jane about who feels what or more or deeper in the Draco synastry, and she believed that it is the tropical person, as we experience life in the most direct way through the tropical.
I have come to agree with her on that, just with a twist.
The tropical person might actually be the first feeling the connection, but does so in the way we are experiencing any tropical synastry.
If it is tropical Venus, it might inspire love and attraction for example, depending on the context of the overall pattern of course.
It seems to be more straightforward and simple for the tropical person.

The Draco person, like me in the synastry with my friend, often sits there thinking to themselves: What does the other see in me?
But at the same time feels a rumble, a deep resonance underneath. Something resonates, but maybe th eDraco person is not sure what.
However being around the tropical person, will most of the time bring her in direct touch to that DRaco level again and again.

Of course every person always can choose to not respond to that stimulus, and as the Dracos are operating in a subtle way on a deep inner level, it is easier to cut this experience off, than doing so with tropical (though even then some people manage to do so); I suspect though that a feeling of "rumbling underneath" will remain.

Of course that is just how I have observed and experienced it at work.

EDIT:
As a matter of fact, in terms of "who feels what?" I have come to the tentative conclusion, that it doesn`t matter so much which dimension is activated (tropical, DRaconic etc.), but which planets will be activated.
The receptive planets, especially Moon and Venus, seem to be prone to receive the connection on a very immediate level.
Well, since the Draconic dimension is a lunar based zodiac, the Draco Moon might really be the object that is the most vulnerable in these comparisions, while the tropical Sun often doesn`t do so much of feeling, but rather is just present and illuminates everything else, and then in turn appreciates if another one starts adoring Sun, and Sun will sit there and say: "Oh thank you. I am just being myself. But I really like you for you going gaga over me."
(I am exaggerating a little of course).

posted July 14, 2013 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I have noticed that as well - not only in Draco, but tropical, too- that we have our "hot spots" and draw people to us who activate those.

BTW my tropical Venus is on 6 Capricorn.
(the 5-9 degrees cardinal are definitely a hotspot for me, not just because of Venus, but my IC-MC axis runs along 5 Aries-Libra, and Pluto is on 9 Libra and my Draco Karma is on 6 LIbra and Draco Juno on 6 Cancer).

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