posted July 11, 2013 09:26 AM            

YES.

I have found the angles in Draco synastry as prominent, maybe more even, as in tropical synastry.

Depends on how you interprete the Draco, but there is a real purposedness to those connections, a feeling like it "means something" beyond the surface.
As a fact you are connecting with something way below the surfacelevel, deep, spiritual and compelling. Maybe it is karmic and stemming from a past life. Maybe it is karmic in the sense of pulling you forwards, though I rather think of it as pulling you inside, gaining understanding and awareness about sides of you,d eeply embedded in your soul, but these will help you on your lifepath.

A guy`s tropical ASC is exactly conjunct my Draco ASC and Draco Mars, Neptune and whatever.
Whenever he is in physical proximity, there is a strong spiritual, even electric feeling for me, and actually I feel like I can be so much more myself around him. A sense of Self,t hat goes far beyond the ordinary.

his Draco MC, Draco Sun and Draco Moon is conjunct my Draco IC, and opposite my Draco Pluto. While my Draco Pluto is also on his Draco IC and his tropical Venus. I am not even going to try going into this. lol

posted July 11, 2013 09:30 AM            

Ceri, what orbs do you use for Draconic charts?

And what aspects?

posted July 11, 2013 09:44 AM            

But honestly I take aspects seriously with a 2 degree orbs. 3 degrees might still be felt, but considerably more weakly.
And no I don´t consider a 7 degree orb not even between Draconic Venus and tropical Mars.

conjunctions and oppositions.
They are the hooks and trigger points.
If a Draconic planet falls onto your tropical planet, they are hooked into each other.
You can imagine it like two matrices transposed onto each other. The Draconic one is the below matrix, the tropical one the upper one.
Where these meet (Draconic planet conjunct/ falling onto tropical planet), a portal, a gateway opens, and the energy flows from the physical level (tropical) into the soul level (Draconic), or vice versa.
Oppositions in Draco are like conjunctions, just with the emphasis on the South Node, they have more of a past - feel to them.

however, should these meeting points, be aspected in the natal chart, I would take it into account.

For example: let`s say someone´s Venus is square Pluto. And another`s Draco Moon falls onto the Venus, then I would also consider the square to Pluto, because you can´t really separate Venus from Pluto in the natal, as they are in aspect.

However, if the Draco Moon was just square tropical Pluto, without triggering either a Draco or tropical planet directly (conjunction or opposition), I wouldn´t really pay attention to it.

posted July 11, 2013 09:56 AM            

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Depends on my mood.

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Sounds like something I would say!

Oh I see, thank you for elaborating.

Makes sense.. I like your analogy with the portal thing.

posted July 11, 2013 11:00 AM            

Though Draco to Tropical seems to "open up a portal" where, I quote Ceri: "energy flows from the physical level (tropical) into the soul level (Draconic), or vice versa."

So it may be a bit more interesting in terms of how it affects our physical reality.

Draco to Draco seems to operate on another level - more elevated, spiritual.

posted July 11, 2013 01:49 PM            

For me it's just some mumbo jumbo, lol.

posted July 11, 2013 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

For me it's just some mumbo jumbo, lol.

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I guess that means I need to stop talking to you from now on.

posted July 11, 2013 02:11 PM            

It exists for a reason.

posted July 11, 2013 03:31 PM            

anyway, I Want to point out nevertheless, that I have occasionally seen it being used (or as I think misused) to make up for what was considered a not so good tropical synastry.
Almost like saying, well, our tropical synastry is not so wild, but the DRaco is, so it HAS to be a splendid relationship.

It doesn`t work that way.
IF it is a soulmate relationship into the depth, it will show in tropical as well (and the Draco will add furter information maybe, descriptive, but it will not make up for a lack of vital connections in tropical).

Of course that is just my opinion obviously.

posted July 11, 2013 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I guess that means I need to stop talking to you from now on.

Problem with the Draconic is that it is NOT the same as the tropical, hence can`t be interpreted exactly the same as your natal placements.
Though I am still deciphering its meaning, for me it definitely hits totally home. Not so much the signplacements, but the tight conjunctions do.

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No sh*t, Sherlock.

Of course it isn't the same thing. But let's be real here, it's really supposed to be just the natal chart of your "soul" or your "higher self" or your "past life" (dependent on who you ask), and I'll be honest...I always approach them with that in mind and no, it doesn't really ring true for me either. Especially in synastry, where if it's as significant as people say, you'd think the most significant relationships of my life would be reflected in the Draconic synastry. They aren't, but for whatever reason I have strong Draconic synastry with a guy who swears he feels some strong connection with me and I find him attractive (honestly? most would; he's extremely, extremely good-looking), but I don't feel like there's some intense bond and I need him like I need air.

posted July 11, 2013 03:55 PM            

Feelings first, astrology can come later.

If you say the DRaco is nothing to shout home about, what were you checking?

I am not wanting to defending the Draco chart here, cause, well, if it is not for, it just isn`t. I am not in too much of a preachy mood tonight I guess.

I actually think that people are jumping and hopping between too many astrological techniques without even understanding the make up of the natal. Not saying I do understand it perfectly. I am just trying and learning.
And honestly, all the vital information and answer can easily be found in the natal charts; you just have to know where to look.

posted July 11, 2013 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
*shrugs*

Feelings first, astrology can come later.

If you say the DRaco is nothing to shout home about, what were you checking?

I am not wanting to defending the Draco chart here, cause, well, if it is not for, it just isn`t. I am not in too much of a preachy mood tonight I guess.

I actually think that people are jumping and hopping between too many astrological techniques without even understanding the make up of the natal. Not saying I do understand it perfectly. I am just trying and learning.
And honestly, all the vital information and answer can easily be found in the natal charts; you just have to know where to look.

But speaking of the Draconic chart, as it is calculated with the nodal axis, it really would needed to be interpreted in terms of what the nodal axis means. Whatever that is. Astrologers don`t seem to agree too much on this either.

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What do you mean what did I check? I checked the same stuff you check when you do synastry? and frankly I'm surprised at you slumming by resorting to implying that anyone who doesn't see value in a particular form of astrology you espouse, is doing it out of ignorance about the subject. I kinda expected more from you than that and held you to a higher standard. Maybe I idealized you but I tend to expect better from people than I should anyway so lmao. Certainly you can do better than resorting to the "If you don't agree with me that means you're ignorant and stupid" card.

I'm 31. I've been into astrology since my teens. Yes, I'm fully aware that a Draconic chart is based on the position of the nodes. Honestly in the end you'd do way better if you assumed I know just as much as you do about astrology, because that is correct; in fact, I probably know more.

Draconic still doesn't pan out. Literally all of my most significant, life-changing romantic relationships - have no significant markers in the draconic synastry. None. Does it show up in the tropical charts? You bet, in fact it slaps you in the fact in the tropical synastry, but you'd have no idea we ever meant anything to each other if you went off of the Draconic charts alone. On the other hand, the guy that I think is "sorta hot" but other than that my world isn't really rocked...if you looked at my Draconic synastry with him, you'd probably start hopping around in your chair and get all excited.

Now, whether you you wanna spin that as me just being too "stupid" to understand Draconic because you're emotionally-invested in it, knock yourself out. Really what you think of me means nothing to me one way or another; I'm going to stick with what I've found validity in and by all means I hope you do the same, but hopefully in the future I hope you have the better taste to be able to support your stance with actual examples or facts instead of resorting to implying things about people's level of education on the subject. The only people who resort to that are the ones who can't hinge their argument on anything of substance.

posted July 11, 2013 04:57 PM            

And my question about what you were checking in Draco charts, was a genuine one. I was curious about it, as since I have come here to LL, I have seen that people have very different views on what is vital and significant in synastry, and I didn´t know what your take on it is.

Actually with the "hopping between different techniques" I just meant to say that I find it very important to have a good grasp on the natal (tropical) chart and move from there, using this as the basic tool.
I did NOT want to imply that you don´t do that or do not know your stuff either.

posted July 11, 2013 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
How would you interpret aspects to angles in a Draconic chart?
In synastry - his Draco MC/IC axis is exactly conjunct my natal MC/IC axis.
Plus - my Draco AC is exactly conjunct his natal DC (and obviously my Draco DC is conj his natal AC).
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it means that in your natal charts, you have NNode on your ASC, while he has the NNode on his DSC.

it means that each of you may pull the other back into old patterns and block the progress by abandoning the individual's North Node calling.
Or, with more evolved ppl, each can help the other to move ahead because where ine is aiming at, the other is coming from.

posted July 11, 2013 06:22 PM            

would one person feel the draco more?
For example if Person A's ascendant conjunct Person B's Draco Ascendant and makes other noteworthy conjunctions..

but Person B's tropical to Person A's draco doesn't make as many aspects

would the draco person or the tropical person feel it more? or would it be even?

ALSO: have you heard/read anything about draco vertex to tropical vertex in synastry? or draco venus to tropical vertex?

posted July 12, 2013 05:20 AM            

if there is mutual attraction then good (and negative) aspects get the chance to develop. if the attraction is one sided, the aspects (in either comparison) may be felt by the more attracted person. intense (or unreciprocated) attraction might serve to modify how aspects manifest between the people...

i love looking at celeb synastry. often times if the n-n synastry is slightly ho-hum, some real corkers end up popping up in the natal-dracos. you DO go "ohhh" especially if they seemed kinda like an odd couple and you weren't really sure why they were together, or if when they broke up one was more ****** about it than the other. i find it amusing anyway

it won't matter how many amazing connections (or not) you see anywhere in natal or natal-draco comparisons, if you aren't into someone then those energies will probably just fall flat or cancelled/blocked out.

posted July 12, 2013 05:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Textbook:

On the other hand, the guy that I think is "sorta hot" but other than that my world isn't really rocked...if you looked at my Draconic synastry with him, you'd probably start hopping around in your chair and get all excited.

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