posted July 16, 2013 04:46 PM              

Many of them are immature and are in the awkward stage between child and adult.

posted July 16, 2013 04:55 PM            

(my son has Sag Pluto cnj Jupiter cnj Adonis - and cnj his momma's Neptune, in his 5th house, in the Scorpio duad of Leo decan, Rx - ummm... he's only 6yo.)

I look forward to Sagittarius in Pluto generation's contribution to the world in 15 years time, when the majority have experienced/are experiencing both the opposed and return of Saturn. That's when the things that matter to each generation usually begin shaping out.

Actually...
Domicile Pluto is -still- shaping out~ >.>; lol

As for pegging everyone with the same body in the same sign into the same basket... yeah, that's astro-101... it doesn't work that way.

WeeRam has a lot more going on than his Rx Saggie Pluto. He has 5h cnj domicile Jupiter. He has it trine his Sun-MC sxt Moon-IC, trine Saturn in the 1st, sxt Mars in the 8th... He's not just a Pluto in Sag, he's a solar-Jupiter powered Pluto in Sag natal. Not everyone in his entire generation is the same, (do you have all these aspects going on... probably not, right? How much can you have in common with a 6 year old? I mean other than one body in the same sign.) Step out of the box a bit, it's more comfortable when you grant yourself some head space.

As for weeRam, if he looks like a beautiful creature... well, that's not Pluto's fault, (although it is about bQ to his ASC)... that's got a lot more to do with the myriad of other things going on in his chart.

~>Just like any other being making a personal choice to behave and appear how they feel comfortable. Centaurs and Jupitereans are some of the least critically judgmental energies of the zodiac, with that they are also very determined to maintain their freedom of self-expression. They respect freedom and hope that others will respect theirs in return. (Also, Centaurs are seldom born sages.... they only mature into them with time. - The wild ones tended to live short but often fascinating lives too though. But, I'm pretty sure most Sag natals want to live long enough to enjoy making all those discoveries and disasters instead of burning out too soon... whether it's Pluto or otherwise.)

You might find it somehow emasculating that some gentlemen today prefer to ham it up a bit, be doted on for their faces or physiques, and pamper themselves in the appearance department - that is anything but a generational desire alone. That is a universal effect of the transits on all living in a certain era. We live in a time where appearance means almost everything, and that first impression has become regrettably harder to live up to for just about everyone. That's a social issue and actually began around the time Neptune caught up to Uranus in Aquarius. There was a reawakening in the realm of what society finds attractive, what society finds acceptably beautiful and strong or fashionable with gender roles especially highlighted over this time and continuing on, and taking on the challenges to break stereotypes became front page news. The residual Neptune in Capricorn ideals on what makes a person strong and beautiful had finally reached the point where they had been given a voice, and that was with the grace and courage of Uranus and Neptune in the sign of Aquarius. Capricorn hinged itself on adhering to traditions and even conformity, Neptune transit in the sign of the seagoat restructured what symbolize those things in this day in age...

instead of dainty and demure, being the standard of what is considered feminine - well... one name comes to mind immediately - Sharon Stone (or how about Jada P.S., how about Jodie Foster; these women were absolutely radiant examples of the transits going on during these times and how they effect what "we" find lovely) ... gentlemen too - instead of hulking and tough fellars like Arnie and Stallone, women were flocking to the corner of youthful beau hunks like DiCaprio, Reeves, and Pitt - in no part without due acknowledgement to lovable actors of previous years like Cruise, Dep, and even Broderick. It was good to conform for awhile, and then people sought something different, they didn't all want to be Heather Locklear, and the next generations coming sought that beauty of Sarah Michelle Gellar, and Brandy and Gwen... the further along you go... especially if you look at the who was relevant from transit to transit - the more you see which influence is responsible for what in any subject. It doesn't mean there weren't or aren't still fans of Swayze or
Hanks even (or my love of loves - Jack Nicholson - because I am old school like that nyah)... lol

But, what is acceptable, and the wide range of what is considered "lovely" or "handsome" - grows more diverse, and this is Pluto's turn into Sagittarius... he's (how should I put it) -- bringing up the rear... lol If you can catch my drift.

Not liking the way things turned out... says more about your chart, than the generations effected by those changes as a whole.

People today (of every sign and placement) want to wear the skin that suits them, what they feel comfortable in... however, society is still grappling with these extreme differences in ideals. And, the standards that are being set by the times, by pop culture/media, all push those ***especially in their youth***, to live up to what is the finest or highest attainable level of beauty and strength without somehow giving away their individuality... (which is a hard balance to maintain for anyone at any age, dammit.)

~As you get older, it matters less that you are keeping up with those standards and sometimes more that you fall into what is seen as more uniform, or traditional... luckily or not, by that time - individuality matters much less either way. You either go for comfort for yourself or appeasing others, with a minimal grey area between the two.

I like the things these transits have helped to change, but, I don't think the process that began when Uranus was domicile will finally be settled until Pluto enters Aquarius. Maybe then, the next great issues will finally get some much needed attention, ne? (And, I believe those upcoming issues are going to fall largely onto the lap of the Pluto in Sag generation, so be ready, eh... *if you are wondering why... cardinal energy late Sco-Plu/early Sag-Plu - nuff said.) There are so many more important things going on in this world today that could use the attention and efforts of others than who is grooming and how. ; ;

I honestly don't understand what your gripe is with effeminate males or not so effeminate females... how does that really cause you any suffering? If anything they are the ones who have to suffer from the poor judgment being cast toward them from... others. *ahem*

posted July 16, 2013 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
the guys look females and the girls look like men

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Take Brittany Spears and Brad Pitt for example. Brittany has been a sex icon for most of her life, but she has a thick, clunky, horsie-ness about her which comes off a little manly. In Brad's case, he is a big ol stud, but he's pretty (see Thelma and Luise, Interview With a Vampire, or Fight Club).

It's actually normal for horses to be this way too. Some of the biggest, burliest, and manliest looking stallions can be the biggest prima donnas. On the other hand it is common to see mares who are domineering, aggressive, and who like to throw their weight around.

Regarding your OP
Sag Pluto is..."too immature, selfish; and lacking wisdom".

This is also characteristic of young Sag. Like Capricorn, Sag gets better with age. Sag has to learn its knowledge, it's not just born with it. Before about age 30, half the stuff that comes out of Sagi's mouth is Wisdom Russian Roulette. They need experience to be of any use to the world.

posted July 16, 2013 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
They need experience to be of any use to the world.

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posted July 16, 2013 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
As everyone else does. It's a lifelong journey too, not just "I'm 30, now I'm mature." Pffft, we all need some childish, selfish nature to balance our adult, selfless nature.

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posted July 16, 2013 05:27 PM            

Well. . .at least let's be nice and let it run free for awhile. Everyone's got to collect their scrapes and bruises somehow!

I didn't notice that you related it to 30, I was just grabbing a random number. I agree with what you said, I was standing next to you, promise! haha

posted July 16, 2013 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
and this is coming from a pluto in sag girl herself
too immature, selfish; and lacking wisdom
this is why i like pluto in scorpio and libra better... even virgo

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Immediate comment: the oldest members are still teenagers, so OF COURSE many come off this way. So did every other generation when THEY were teenagers.

Oh, look, apparently a Pluto in Virgo gen is remembering herself as a teenager while beside her Pluto in Sag daughter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qua9WOohlKc

Will read the 3 pages later.

posted July 16, 2013 07:45 PM            

LMAO! Awesome link!

posted July 16, 2013 09:52 PM            

And the goths that became popular after metal heads (with plenty of Pluto in Libra and Scorpio) were also well known for gender bending for both genders.

ETA (hours later): I just had to add this!

posted July 16, 2013 09:56 PM              

Seriously she wears a bun everyday..
Sometimes when I see her I'm like LET YOUR HAIR DOWN GIRL and just pull it apart...

posted July 17, 2013 01:43 AM            

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PixieJane: And the goths that became popular after metal heads (with plenty of Pluto in Libra and Scorpio) were also well known for gender bending for both genders.

ETA (hours later): I just had to add this!

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posted July 17, 2013 04:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Marie Antoinette had Pluto in Sag and the men of her generation were incredible effeminate with their looks flowing wigs and frilly outfits.

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See, see, I know I WASNT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED IT.

SORRY FOR HTE CAPS BUT THI KEYBOARD IS OCNFUSING LOL

also feminine i do not mean dainty i meant in the astrological sense. they are some kind of hybrid of flamboyant psuedo femininity, hard to explain.

i like guys with feminine astrologically traits but still can be a man, i get rejected by guys my age usually because they want a girl who is more aggressive and dominate... weird huh**

posted July 17, 2013 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
i get rejected by guys my age usually because they want a girl who is more aggressive

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You seem pretty aggressive to me...

posted July 17, 2013 12:26 PM              

There is a facebook group called:

When I was your age I lost a tooth, not my virginity.

posted July 17, 2013 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by earthypisces:
You seem pretty aggressive to me...

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naw only on the internet hun. there would express how passionate i feel about my opinions.. but then again what could i expect from a piscean

posted July 17, 2013 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Marie Antoinette had Pluto in Sag and the men of her generation were incredible effeminate with their looks flowing wigs and frilly outfits.

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posted July 17, 2013 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by HannieBananie:
I dont get it why the hate on Pluto in Sag generation?

I mean its not like you all know them to generalize that?

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*doesn't = typo lol i corrected like five seconds after i posted but you beat me to the punch!

posted July 17, 2013 04:04 PM              

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Seriously; fugg out my thread you pc liberal whiny girl. you were taking what i said out of context and you want to be butthurt because i upsetted your fantasy gender dont exist land. bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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Yess KarkaQueen!