posted July 16, 2013 02:01 PM            

I've always wondered about this and I noticed an almost total absence of infos regarding the IC and its conjunctions to personal planets.

Here was I've found :

"...Planets conjunct the Nadir symbolize rootedness, conservatism, stability, staying power, firmness.

Natives with these planets have an ability to remain unmoved and unruffled, to withstand the pressures of daily living by tuning into deeper currents or meanings in life.

While all the angles symbolize a “holding apart” from other people, the Nadir especially symbolizes going it alone.

Planets conjunct this angle don’t wait for others, rely on others, or depend on others.

There is a spiritual manifestation with this angularity rather than a material one: from the spiritual point of view, the Nadir is actually the most powerful angle, since it is not as tied to the standards of success in society as are the other three angles – it shows a self-validating form of strength."

Nadir = Firmness

IC conjunct Sun = Staunch
IC conjunct Moon = Whole-hearted
IC conjunct Mercury = Canny
IC conjunct Venus = Gracious
IC conjunct Mars = Assiduous
IC conjunct Jupiter = Brisk
IC conjunct Saturn = Modest
IC conjunct Uranus Fearless
IC conjunct Neptune = Hopeful
IC conjunct Pluto = Headstrong
Ruler of the IC conjunct IC = Self-cloistering

Guys, what do you think ? Do you have anything to add about this ??

posted July 16, 2013 02:12 PM            

Sun/IC – Staunch – Low-key and polite, you are also resolute, unyielding, and possess an unflagging perseverance and determination (obstinacy). Other people rely upon your integrity, scrupulousness, and deep sense of personal honor.

Moon/IC – Whole-hearted – You are sensitive and tenacious, and responsive primarily to your own inner voice (solipsistic). You are self-reliant and prefer being alone and on your own in life.

Mercury/IC – Canny – You are cool-headed and high-principled, with keen powers of analysis (cynical). You are shrewd and emotionally guarded, with a capacity for sober judgment in any emergency.

Venus/IC – Gracious – You are obliging, mannerly, and correct (stuffy). You are meticulous and orderly, and are repelled by any harshness or indelicacy. You strive to create an agreeable and congenial environment for yourself and the people around you.

Mars/IC – Assiduous – You hold your feelings inside, keep a stiff upper lip, and cannot be diverted or deflected (heedless). You have good powers of concentration and the ability to bring all your energy to bear upon your project or object of the moment.

Jupiter/IC – Brisk – You are good-natured, tolerant, and resilient (above-it-all). You don’t take things personally, but have a smooth and lofty manner which minimizes friction and bother, and which keeps you free of compromising entanglements.

Saturn/IC – Modest – You are plain, unvarnished, and unpretentious (undiplomatic). You are neither timid nor shy, but rather are unobtrusive. You hide nothing, defend nothing, and keep your distance by being wide-open and nonjudgmental.

Uranus/IC – Fearless – You are dynamic, resourceful, and free-thinking (wrong-headed). You have a capacity for plunging ahead and making sudden, drastic changes in your environment and life-style whenever your life situation becomes too restrictive.

Neptune/IC – Hopeful – You tend to be upright, principled, and high-minded (quixotic). You have a positive approach to life which looks to the good sides of people and events without being naďve or easily gulled.

Pluto/IC – Stubborn – You are self-assured and opinionated (deaf). You are capable of taking a position and making a stand without being arrogant or offensive. Overtly agreeable and tractable, you are skilled in the art of winning acquiescence without yielding an inch.

posted July 16, 2013 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
Saturn/IC – Modest – You are plain, unvarnished, and unpretentious (undiplomatic). You are neither timid nor shy, but rather are unobtrusive. You hide nothing, defend nothing, and keep your distance by being wide-open and nonjudgmental.

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I have Saturn conjunct IC and I can relate to the sentence I bolded.

posted July 16, 2013 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:

Mercury/IC – Canny – You are cool-headed and high-principled, with keen powers of analysis (cynical). You are shrewd and emotionally guarded, with a capacity for sober judgment in any emergency.

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posted July 16, 2013 02:58 PM            

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Sun/IC – Staunch – Low-key and polite, you are also resolute, unyielding, and possess an unflagging perseverance and determination (obstinacy). Other people rely upon your integrity, scrupulousness, and deep sense of personal honor.

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posted July 16, 2013 03:46 PM            

From Sue Tompkins book "Aspects in Astrology."

Sun conjunct IC

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Those with Sun conjunct IC usually would not wish for public recognition or the star treatment, although it is important to emphasise that individuals with this placement are no less likely to be successful. But the home life is likely to be even more important, as is the need to tap one’s roots, either literally or emotionally. Individuals with this configuration sometimes retire from the world, even occasionally to live as a recluse. At any rate they invariably want some privacy. They might be hidden from society in a variety of different ways, and in extreme cases by being sent to jail or hospital. The father was also often a hidden kind of figure.

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Mars conjunct IC

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Mars conjunct the IC suggests that the individual operates from a foundation of anger. Usually there is a history of conflict in the home and individuals with the placement may do anything to hide their own anger from public view and sometimes from themselves. With Mars on or contacting either end of this axis, there is often tremendous anger felt towards one or both parents, an anger that can fuel the individual into accomplishing tasks that require tremendous tests of strength or energy. This placement will often be indicative of the person who works from home or who is always ‘on the go’ when actually at home. The home is a place of activity for Mars conjunct IC. Whilst such activity may be of a more Mercurial nature if Mars is in the 3rd house, this placement is also ideal for more physical tasks, for these provide a way for the individual to contact and work off their anger. Often people with this placement feel cut off from their physical energy unless they actively take steps to stoke themselves up. If Mars is making hard aspects to heavier planets, this placement can be indicative of accidents or fires. Such manifestations usually only occur if the individual is not actively ‘using’ their energy. Mars conjunct IC can also indicate an urge to dig out one’s roots. For those with this placement, courage may be about unflinchingly exploring the emotional and sexual roots of the family and their own psyche.

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So do these ring true for anyone with one or both of these placements?

I think it's also interesting that it talks about digging up or discovering your roots, Silver Feather. Because the IC is our past and you said in the other thread that you love history. Astrology can be so cool sometimes huh?

Here's some more information from that book on the IC in general:

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The IC is the lowest point in the chart; we have to dig to get to it and like the tree can probably never get at all the roots. The IC represents our own personal history and that is never-ending, for it would take us back to dinosaurs and beyond, if we could go that far. Thus the IC probably links us with the collective unconscious. The IC describes where we are coming from, as opposed to the MC which describes where we are aspiring to go. It is the past in the sense of describing family atmosphere from where we have come and thus both parents and the whole family is implied. It often describes the emotional quality of our childhood. It represents our heritage, our family history, our roots, our racial origin, our home, our source. It is our platform, our base, our foundation. It is the place that we retreat to; the place that we go to for privacy; the part of us that is hidden from public view. Because the IC forms an axis with the MC, any planet aspecting the IC will also aspect the MC and vice versa, thus a planet on the MC may also describe the family roots and all the other IC issues. Traditionally, the IC is associated with the end of the matter (in horary astrology) and the end of life. I am never quite sure whether this means where you are buried or cremated in a literal sense, but this area of the chart, including the 4th house, does often say something about the end of one’s physical life. This also fits well with the tree analogy. The fruits of the tree fall to the ground and the seeds take root. In the 10th house we do our bit in the outer world, in the 4th we retire, we go back to our roots and hopefully enjoy the fruits of our labours. The IC represents the family in the personal sense whereas the MC is all of society, which in turn is composed of millions of families.

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posted July 16, 2013 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
I don't have any planets conjunct my IC but I do have a book that addresses planets conjunct the angles. I would appreciate it if you could tell me if the descriptions are accurate. Pretty please?

From Sue Tompkins book "Aspects in Astrology."

[b]Sun conjunct IC

So do these ring true for anyone with one or both of these placements?

I think it's also interesting that it talks about digging up or discovering your roots, Silver Feather. Because the IC is our past and you said in the other thread that you love history. Astrology can be so cool sometimes huh?

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Both interpretations have a considerable extent of accuracy to them.
My home life is not by any means "normal", I suffered a lot during my early teens.

posted July 16, 2013 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
Venus/IC – Gracious – You are obliging, mannerly, and correct (stuffy). You are meticulous and orderly, and are repelled by any harshness or indelicacy. You strive to create an agreeable and congenial environment for yourself and the people around you.

Ruler IC conjunct IC – Self-cloistering – You are friendly and sociable, but fundamentally are a loner, and you find sustained contact with other people grating or enervating (self-pampering). You are happiest and do your best work alone, on your own.

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I identify very much with this. I have Taurus IC with Taurus Venus conjunct it from the 3rd. Tau Chiron also conjuncts it from the 4th.

posted July 16, 2013 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
Both interpretations have a considerable extent of accuracy to them.
My home life is not by any means "normal", I suffered a lot during my early teens.

Yes I do love history a lot but mostly global history, I've never been interested in my own but then my IC is in Sagittarius...

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Yes, I was thinking about that. Also, in the extra information that I put up, the IC was linked to the collective unconscious. Maybe this predisposes you to the entire history of our world, instead of just your own family history.

Thank you so much for replying back. A lot of the time I read something and I think "I wonder how much truth there is to this."

I'm sorry about your home life being disrupted. I've experienced much of this myself. Though, we all have battles we must journey through, if only to discover more of our own internal power.

posted July 16, 2013 05:31 PM            

@Hera, could you tell me if this fits at all, please?

Venus conjunct IC

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Venus on either end of the MC– IC axis may be descriptive of the experience of their own parent( s) as being very loving or popular. For others it may be more descriptive of a parent’s vocational activities or their wishes for the career of the child. Frequently a parent is experienced as being a very sexual kind of person and I have frequently seen Venus conjunct the IC as being descriptive of a parent who pursued secret extramarital affairs.

Venus on the IC often suggests that the individual comes from a background which had money; there is a feeling of a ‘good’ home with this placement and the idea of ‘good home’ can be interpreted on a number of levels. Ideally it should perhaps mean a warm and loving environment and the absence of hard aspects to Venus conjunct IC may well indicate this. Certainly there are usually at least some aspects of the individual’s ancestry or background that they value very highly. People with this placement want to create a beautiful home themselves, a place with harmonious colours and pleasing music perhaps and certainly one as free as possible from emotional discord.

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posted July 16, 2013 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
Yes, I was thinking about that. Also, in the extra information that I put up, the IC was linked to the collective unconscious. Maybe this predisposes you to the entire history of our world, instead of just your own family history.

Thank you so much for replying back. A lot of the time I read something and I think "I wonder how much truth there is to this."

I'm sorry about your home life being disrupted. I've experienced much of this myself. Though, we all have battles we must journey through, if only to discover more of our own internal power.

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So true, it's the hardships we encounter that help us to grow stronger .
I truly loved the first author's description about the Sun/Mars/IC conjunction, he portrays it as an endless fountain of inner strength and willpower. I can absolutely relate to that.

posted July 16, 2013 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
So true, it's the hardships we encounter that help us to grow stronger .
I truly loved the first author's description about the Sun/Mars/IC conjunction, he portrays it as an endless fountain of inner strength and willpower. I can absolutely relate to that.

I'm also curious about the usual description of the IC as the finish line,the last harvest.
The birth chart ends with the IC, so does that mean that the sign on the IC and its ruler can give some hints/glimpses into the native's later life ? about what's left after all is said and done ?
I wonder how does that work out with IC in Sagittarius and its ruler ,Jupiter, in second house.
What do you think Prism ??

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I think it definitely has some bearing. With Sagittarius there, the most simple description could be that you spend the end of your life abroad. With the ruler Jupiter in the 2nd house, maybe you buy a house abroad and that's where you start your own roots.

Here's a description from my book (sorry, I'm a book worm sometimes):

Howard Sasportas - The Twelve Houses.

Jupiter in the 2nd

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Those with Jupiter in the 2nd may seek to expand their resources and possessions as a means of gaining greater joy and fullness of life. Taken to an extreme, it could mean the god Mammon is worshipped as the be-all and end-all of existence, or a religious or numinous value is bestowed on monetary and material success. Some might see money and possessions as a symbol of their worth and value. Certain objects may be treasured because they inspire, communicate or symbolize something significant for them. The value system in general (2nd) may be linked to their philosophical and religious beliefs (Jupiter). Some with this placement perceive God’s touch in all the manifestations of nature, glimpsing the underlying patterns and laws expressing through the form world. The acquisitive instinct is heightened for those with Jupiter in this house and with such a strong motivation, they usually succeed in the material realm. However, what is earned may be spent as quickly as they make it. While they are usually generous, difficult aspects to Jupiter suggest a wastefulness with money and possessions, or a tendency to invest recklessly and unwisely. But should they fall flat on their faces, they generally have the ability to ‘drum up’ money again – just when they are most ‘down and out’, an opportunity comes along which saves them. The 2nd house represents what constitutes security for us. With Jupiter there, personal safety could be sought through abundance on the material plane; while, for others with this placement, security might mean possessing higher knowledge or sound religious beliefs. Paradoxically, some may feel most secure if they know that at any moment they are free to get up and go. Innate resources include a natural enthusiasm, an ability to inspire other people, and the capacity to impart practical meaning to life. The desire nature is strong and usually they will believe that there are ‘higher’ justifications for their having what they so urgently want. Therefore, they don’t feel too guilty satisfying their endless appetites. Money could be earned through Jupiterian pursuits such as teaching, travel, the law, import-export trade, spreading religion, etc.

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Jupiter in the 4th (and Sagittarius on the IC)

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At first, the hidden and insular 4th house seems an ill-suited domain for a sky-god like Jupiter. However, true to his nature, he manages to make a very comfortable life for himself in this sphere – provided that his home life does not fence him in too much. I have seen many charts with Jupiter in the 4th in which the people were born into aristocratic families or had a few well-known ancestors. Through the father’s line, there is often the influence of a foreign culture in the blood. But even if they can’t claim descent from Louis XVI, the last Czar of Russia, or the king of the gypsies, they inherit a religious, philosophical or travelling nature through the background or early home conditions. Like the genie in the bottle, residing deep within those with Jupiter in the 4th is a powerful and expansive spirit wanting to be freed. They can invest a great deal of energy in establishing the home of their dreams, but they had better ensure there is enough room in it to satisfy their need to move around. Often they benefit from living out of the crowded conditions of the city, and in the more natural and open setting of the country where views and vistas are unobstructed. (I always picture them living on a ranch.) Some may travel from country to country looking for their spiritual home. Rather than aiming for public or professional recognition, they might devote themselves to work on the soul and inner growth. A woman I know with Jupiter in Sagittarius in the 4th is a good example of this placement. Born into an aristocratic home and a lady by birth, she now lives on a spiritual commune in Canada. At first caught between the values of her family and those preached by her guru, she moved back and forth from tea at royal garden parties to washing pots at the ashram. But later, she realized that the best of these separate worlds had something to offer each other. She has brought a renewed sense of spiritual vision to her family while helping her fellow disciples to appreciate those more solid, earthly values of the English tradition. Jupiter in the 4th may colour the paternal relationship. In some cases the actual father is confused with the image of god: he is seen as noble, majestic and larger than life. Reflecting some of the other qualities of Zeus, the father might be experienced as a promising figure full of potential and inspiration, but with an incorrigible roving eye and bags full of wild oats. Sometimes the father will suppress the Jupiterian side of his nature for the sake of providing the kind of structure and security expected of him; in this case, the child with this placement may grow up with an irresistible urge to enact what the father has not played out. If Jupiter in the 4th is well aspected, there is an underlying optimism and faith in life which will come to the fore as the person grows older. Generally, it favours a promising old age filled with many interests and pursuits. Contemporaries may lag behind while Jupiter in the 4th is still lively and progressive. With Sagittarius at the IC there is usually the attempt to build the life on a clear moral or philosophical framework. Sometimes they travel in childhood or grow up in a religious family. If life comes to a standstill, they can renew themselves by strong acts of faith or envisioning some new goal towards which to aim.

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posted July 16, 2013 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Nice descriptions, but I dont see how they describe the IC or conjunctions to.

Cold reading trick.

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posted July 16, 2013 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
I hope that gives you some clues Silver. By the way, you're really a sweetheart!

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posted July 16, 2013 10:45 PM            

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MsPrism: Those with Sun conjunct IC usually would not wish for public recognition or the star treatment, although it is important to emphasise that individuals with this placement are no less likely to be successful. But the home life is likely to be even more important, as is the need to tap one’s roots, either literally or emotionally. Individuals with this configuration sometimes retire from the world, even occasionally to live as a recluse. At any rate they invariably want some privacy. They might be hidden from society in a variety of different ways, and in extreme cases by being sent to jail or hospital. The father was also often a hidden kind of figure.

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I wouldn't mind public recognition - or to be immortalised through some sort of fame! But indeed I am rather hidden and not often do I tell people important things about me, only bits and pieces to different people (though I assume this is somewhat normal behaviour?)

More important than my connection to "roots" is my connection to the past. I often get very nostalgic and wistful in a longing way, as in I was to relive things, go back and try it again, etc. I do! Feel a pull towards my culture though - I wish to immerse myself in it and learn about it. It's a bit more second tier though. And my last grip about connecting to roots is I want my family line to become strong - I've barely known any of my grandparents, and know next to nothing about great grandparents. I've mused about getting portraits done and passing it down along my family, especially since I wanna become rich and fabulous and I want my future generations to know who started them into wealth! Maybe not really but I do want to have a sort of family portrait and start that tradition.

Lastly, I've considered being a recluse once or twice, and my father did leave when I became a teenager, but I feel neither of these are very defining in my personality.

posted July 16, 2013 10:59 PM            

Thank you so much for the long post!

I really do like to figure out if the big time astrologers are speaking from experience with these aspects or if they are just putting two and two together. It helps so much to read someone's actual experience!

Are there any other placements connected to your angles? I am thinking of starting a thread to see if people agree with this book's descriptions. Haha it might become my "thing" if I'm not careful.

I think you should definitely do the family portrait thing. I've seen pictures of my Native American ancestors, though it's so diluted now, I'm very pale. Although my sister looked a lot like Pocahontas so I just didn't get the bronze goddess look!

posted July 16, 2013 11:30 PM            

I'm lucky enough that of my great grandparents, only one was white. The rest were all Aboriginal.

On books, I think book descriptions have uses though of course. They're good introductions! If someone is passionate about astrology though, I think they'll start finding that book descriptions are too...flat. Like, let's take Venus, the "romance planet". I think romance is far deeper than just Venus and that Venus is far deeper than just romance. Same with Mars, those two aren't the only relationship planets, though those two often function together. But back to Venus, Venus equates to values and ideals. That's Venus in her rawest form. Romance is just an applied expression of values and ideals (ahem, applied as in applied to potential mates). You can find deeper, more intrinsic meaning by meditating on the meaning behind the god for which she was named combined with the planet itself - which is the same with all the other planets. For example, Venus was the goddess of beauty, and what is beauty other than (you guessed it) values and ideals? Venus the planet is very bright during the morning sun and the setting sun, and as such, one of her expressions in a chart is the light you wish to give off when starting something and the light you wish to be remembered in after finishing something.

posted July 16, 2013 11:37 PM              

But then again she also has Moon square Neptune..

posted July 16, 2013 11:41 PM            

Aboriginal... are you Australian?

How random if we were neighbors or something. I'm not from Aussie but I'm currently residing here.

I do think that some books lead you down the wrong path when it comes to interpretation but some of them definitely have merit. Like if Xiiro (using this person as an example of someone you've learned from) was to publish a book, the information would probably resonate with you.