posted July 17, 2013 10:35 PM            

In my life I've had the VERY unfortunate experience of being close to several mutable guys who had problems with drugs, alcohol or both. The main culprits are Pisces, Virgo and Sagittarius.. but the odd Gemini snuck in there -_-

When I say 'close' I don't necessarily mean 'romantically involved'.. because some of them are friends and family members. Either way, they are people I care about or have cared about at one point in time.

What strikes me as odd ... is that they often seem to have multiple personalities. It is genuinely creepy. People who are not close to them or simply don't give a damn (which is basically the majority of people out there) don't even *notice* this. Their STRANGE personality changes seem to go unnoticed.. they fly under the radar.

Because I am close to them I feel like I'm subjected to all the drama because I have to see this schitzophrenic-like behaviour first hand.
And I don't even have anyone to talk to about it - because if I mentioned this to any of their other (disinterested) so-called "friends"... they would give me a blank stare, like "Huh?? What do you mean? There is nothing wrong with X!"
*facepalm*

Some people are funny drunks, sad drunks, angry drunks etc.. Some people can even go through that whole spectrum of emotion and be funny/sad/angry drunks on the same night.
But what's odd about mutable sign men (I've mainly seen this with men, rather than women.. but maybe I just haven't paid enough attention) - what's odd.. is that they SWITCH personalities. It's not like being the same person sad.. or the same person angry... It's like they turn into an ENTIRELY different person... their long lost evil twin or something.

And maybe this would make sense for Gemini ^^ since Gemini is said to have a split personality... but what about the others? What about Sagittarius or Virgo??
Sagittarians are supposed to be honest. They're supposed to know who they are... but I've seen *strange* faces of Sagittarius come out while addicted to something - and they go away again.. if they lose the addiction.
It's a very creepy thing all around.

Also, this is not just something that happens in general to ANY person who is addicted... because I've also known Leo men who are addicted to a lot of *crap* - and they DO NOT switch personalities.
They might have clear side effects from the things they take or from the alcohol.. but they do NOT act like they're Jerkyll and Hyde :\

I have only noticed this Jerkyll and Hyde insanity with mutable sign men... O_O
And I am usually in the position where I am one of the very few people who do notice it, because I'm close and because it's right under my nose. The most unnerving thing is being surrounded by a crowd of friends and acquaintances who think everything is 'just fine'... when it's clearly not...
Like HELLO my -bf/step brother/friend - is acting like a DIFFERENT PERSON.... but apparently it's all "fine"....

*shrug*

Has anyone else noticed this odd behaviour in mutable men (or possibly women)? I am wondering whether others have experienced this.. and secondly I guess I'm wondering why I am so strongly affected by this, when so many others are not...?

For me it feels like.. waking up next to someone who is possessed.. I find it that creepy - and it's a very traumatic experience for me.. and this experience has been repeated with several mutable guys (not just one).
I have Mars conjunct Neptune in my 7th.

Is my reaction exaggerated? Is this really just a case of.. "Well he's addicted.. so whatever.. other people are addicted as well.. it's no big deal... it's not like he is crazy..."

posted July 17, 2013 11:35 PM              

I would say mutable signs are akin to that of shape shifters or chameleons.

Also when I get drunk I become neurotic and scattered brain.. I don't even realize what I'm saying or doing... My mind has lost control of its natural "filter" and I tend to go haywire. Although it's not really a big deal when around other drunk people, everyone is losing their composure in some manner or another.

posted July 17, 2013 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Reading this really makes me curious WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING!?!?! It sounds almost paranormal and disturbing. I have seen people drunk/on drugs but I have never noticed what you are referring to in any of them. I kinda wish I did so I knew what you are seeing.

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I have noticed this too but only with extreme cases of addiction.

posted July 18, 2013 12:08 AM            

My Moon is in Gemini and my Venus and Mars are in Virgo, although my Sun is in a fixed sign. Maybe I don't count. Neptune in Sagittarius - ?

posted July 18, 2013 12:21 AM            

For me I do not associate with people on drugs, if I met someone and discover they use heavy drugs, even just as "social" I disconnect any and all contact with that person.
I refuse to be in that type if circle....
I stand firm on that.. No exceptions.

I'm wondering if its your Neptune//mars in h7.
You could be subconsciously attracted to it, maybe somehow wanting to help them.

For me I keep my rule no heavy drugs or heavy alcohol people are in my life.
I'm ok with light drinking, and Mary Jane.
But that's as far as my limits go..
If you hang around someone, Amy drug/alcohol problems will come up quickly.

Try it, make a rule for your self, disconnect from people that are heavy drinkers/drug users.

posted July 18, 2013 01:08 AM            

At least not the Jekyll & Hyde aspect of things. We can adapt and change behavior according to settings and the persons(most people do this, anyway) but nowhere near what you describe.

I do a bit of tear-down and rebuild personality-wise whenever I go through some traumatic event, like a break up.

posted July 18, 2013 01:17 AM            

Kerosene - I am mostly mutable/cardinal... I have a lack of fixed. I am a pretty good actress and I do this kind of chameleon thing socially sometimes.. since I have a Pisces Mercury. But the changes I am talking about with these guys are more substantial... like the core of their personality changes.

MsPrism - That's really very interesting. I wonder if this can actually happen - if a spirit can actually invade a person and if it happens often... I never used to believe this can happen.. but frankly - I'm not sure what to believe about these people. The three people who have had the most dramatic impact on me with their Jerkyll/Hyde behaviour - were... my first love/ex - Pisces, my step brother - Virgo.. and my Sagittarius ex. As paranormal and odd as it sounds... I actually wouldn't be all that skeptical of the idea that they were 'taken over' by something.

enchantress -

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true severe drug/alcohol addiction causes the Jekyll/Hyde personality in EVERYONE.

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See I didn't know that ^...
I feel like maybe I don't know enough about this even though I've often seen it in other people. Whenever I have read something about drug addiction - they mention many different possible problems and side-effects.... but they don't specifically mention this sort of split personality behaviour.
Is there any book or article you know of that might explain this?

Blackbird - You're a Scorpio so I'm not sure if you would count. The guys I mentioned have mutable Sun Signs as well as other mutable energy in their charts. Scorpio is generally very self-controlled!

Lioness - Well I wasn't attracted to my step brother LOL...
I was very much attracted to my first love.. but for the first two years we were together he was not addicted to anything. Those are not the only examples though.. because this has happened quite a few times.

posted July 18, 2013 01:19 AM            

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I've never done drugs and the whole idea of getting drunk/wasted got old halfway through college for me.

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posted July 18, 2013 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
orocairion -

Most of them are young-ish! And so am I... We're all in our 20s. But not all of them.

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posted July 18, 2013 01:46 AM            

Starlight -

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Wow Odette, these people you know sound like they are into some heavy drugs. It must have something to do with how what they are taking affects their physiology.

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posted July 18, 2013 02:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
[B]^^ oh lol - How old were you half way through college? The way you said that - it sounded as though college was a long way away for you haha

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21-22. I'm 27 now.

posted July 18, 2013 02:31 AM            

Mars/Neptune is well known for that kind of stuff and the 7th is the Dsc house that is often being looked for elsewhere, non? At least I have to admit I always hoped to find the "good" Sag version in another person.

Not sure why they'd change so drastically however.

posted July 18, 2013 04:27 AM            

Their "new" personality is there 24/7...
It's like for years in their life they were one person - and they are now an entirely different person (following their addiction problem). It's like having multiple personality disorder.
I have read about this - and I can't find anything anywhere online that literally says that ALL the drug addicts of the world have multiple personality disorder.

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if someone is under drugs is going to act like an extrovert or like a nymph.

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posted July 18, 2013 04:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
its_aqua,

Their "new" personality is there 24/7...
It's like for years in their life they were one person - and they are now an entirely different person (following their addiction problem). It's like having multiple personality disorder.
I have read about this - and I can't find anything anywhere online that literally says that ALL the drug addicts of the world have multiple personality disorder.

If I got extremely drunk right now.. I could act like either of those.. maybe anyone could..
But this doesn't mean that when I wake up the next morning I would be permanently a DIFFERENT person O_O

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posted July 18, 2013 07:33 AM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
I personally think it can be paranormal related because it's easier for an energy/entity/ghost/spirit whatever makes sense to you, to chum up to someone that is searching for escape through substance abuse.

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I found this article, it doesn't talk about hard drugs (only alcohol, MJ and caffeine) but it explains the effects of substance use / abuse on our energetic field: http://people.tribe.net/phoenix_fire_nectar/blog/740db590-6b75-4b50-89f5-ec4445ef9b71

posted July 18, 2013 09:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
My personality tends to transform around different types of people. I sort of mimic their speech pattern and body language. I don't purposely do this but I have caught myself multiple times. This is probably why mutable signs are so popular because they have an easier time relating to others, at least in a superficial way.

I would say mutable signs are akin to that of shape shifters or chameleons.

Also when I get drunk I become neurotic and scattered brain.. I don't even realize what I'm saying or doing... My mind has lost control of its natural "filter" and I tend to go haywire. Although it's not really a big deal when around other drunk people, everyone is losing their composure in some manner or another.

Do you have a lot of fixed energy? Perhaps it creeps you out because fixed signs are so caught up in "keeping it real"

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