posted July 18, 2013 09:07 PM            

My Pisces best friend wants to get married, but she always ends up with her boyfriends resenting her for being smarter than them. She gets dumped with lines like, "You are just too good for me." And this has been going on, the same story repeating itself, since we were teenagers.

I like to think this won't be a lifelong ordeal for her.

I know Pisces people can get happily married (Hi mockingbird! ) but I wonder if other Pisces have this same problem, of feeling like an outcast because others can't relate to a sign more advanced than them?

posted July 18, 2013 09:13 PM            

Maybe?

But in my best friend's case, she is super realistic about the fact that there will be problems, and very tolerant of the problems while still addressing them.

posted July 18, 2013 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

but I wonder if other Pisces have this same problem, of feeling like an outcast because others can't relate to a sign more advanced than them?

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lol
that's already a recipe for disaster
any sign or person with a superiority complex will always see others as being beneath them...
it has nothing to do with "advanced"...sorry, but i dont buy the idea of pisces, by being the last sign is more advanced/superior than other signs.

if anything, maybe your friend is indirectly condescending or underestimates her exes?
plenty of intelligent (not necessarily wise) people do that unconsciously to their partners (and not to friends), regardless of sign. so, you might not know.

i will agree with asclibrasagsun...
pisces have the same issue as virgos.
"to dream....to dream...the impossible dream"

posted July 18, 2013 09:21 PM            

Yeah, that sounds like my best friend.

*Important Edit: except she was not promiscuous and didn't get involved with guys at a young age. Just, from the beginning, all of her relationships collapsed...often suddenly and painfully.

posted July 18, 2013 09:22 PM            

Married once, dont have the need for it again.

I thought it was my high Aqua side, but this make me self-reflect.

Faith, I have gotten that all my life "your just too good for me....."

We are not better than anybody else, but, perhaps folks sense something etheral about us that scares them?

ascil, we seek something that doesnt exist period Women in general, but Pisces women especially I think confuse love for men, in a heterosexual relationship.

Pisces are the true dreamers and not so much loners, but since we, symbolically, embody all 12 signs, I think people can see a bit of themsleves in us and looking oneself in the mirror can be frightening...if your not ready

And Faith to answer your question, I dont know of any Pisces woman that is/was happily married, me included and me especially. My Aries daughter is engaged to a Pisces woman and they seem very happy, but in that type of relationship, there is not much history to rely on.

I would challenge any man to enter the dreams of the Pisces.

posted July 18, 2013 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
lol
that's already a recipe for disaster
any sign or person with a superiority complex will always see others as being beneath them...
it has nothing to do with "advanced"...sorry, but i dont buy the idea of pisces, by being the last sign is more advanced/superior than other signs.

if anything, maybe your friend is indirectly condescending or underestimates her exes?
plenty of intelligent (not necessarily wise) people do that unconsciously to their partners (and not to friends), regardless of sign. so, you might not know.

i will agree with asclibrasagsun...
pisces have the same issue as virgos.
"to dream....to dream...the impossible dream"

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well said...to dream the impossible dream.....

posted July 18, 2013 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:

any sign or person with a superiority complex

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She doesn't have a superiority complex, I am talking about her in grand terms because she has proven to me a million times over that she is brilliant, fair, generous (to a fault), & beautiful

And when many different guys say "You're too good for me," I know exactly why they said that.

posted July 18, 2013 09:27 PM            

you nailed that one!

Listening to dear ol Frank now....

geezzzz, I just had to...

"dream the impossible dream......"

posted July 18, 2013 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:
hikoro...

you nailed that one!

Listening to dear ol Frank now....

geezzzz, I just had to...

"dream the impossible dream......"

and finally to reach the unreachable star.....

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to reach....the unreachable star!!!!!!!!!!!
yes, that's the other line i had in mind.

posted July 18, 2013 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:
Faith, I have gotten that all my life "your just too good for me....."

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Originally posted by hippichick:
We are not better than anybody else, but, perhaps folks sense something etheral about us that scares them?

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YES, yes that is exactly what I'm getting at.

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Originally posted by hippichick:
Pisces are the true dreamers and not so much loners, but since we, symbolically, embody all 12 signs, I think people can see a bit of themsleves in us and looking oneself in the mirror can be frightening...if your not ready

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Right! My best friend, believe it or not, remains friends with most (all?) of her ex boyfriends. They tell her that they didn't realize until it was too late, until they married someone else, that they were mainly dealing with their own problems and projecting onto her when they were together.

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Originally posted by hippichick:
This thing with this Virgo man and...still remain attached despite his choices to create and maintain 1200 miles between us....my greatest achievement as a Pisces woman would be to get him and my Virgo mom to enter the dream world of the Pisces...and just experience it....

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posted July 18, 2013 09:57 PM            

pisces women are considered as being one...or the most feminine, carrying this feminine vulnerability...
the way that the men go back to your friend and how they want to protect her may have to do more with that...
generally speaking, men are highly attracted and desire to protect and care for that feminine ideal.

another thing, maybe, she is one of those women who ends up being the 'transitory chick'
as in, it happens that some women, and men, have this unfortunate or fortunate role to shape or influence their partners, so their partners are ready for the next one.
i recall reading a thread on this here, and an article on this too: about the woman who men never married, yet, the man had gone through a realisation and transformation after being with her..
the 'transitory' woman (or man) is at fault here too because she indirectly becomes 'the teacher' (upper position) and he, the student (bottom position, talking about default hierarchy here) and not so much an equal, thus that is the way the man may end up seeing her...

posted July 18, 2013 10:05 PM            

And yes, it's pretty obvious in her life, that this applies:

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...it happens that some women, and men, have this unfortunate or fortunate role to shape or influence their partners, so their partners are ready for the next one.

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Still if there's any truth to the saying "What goes around comes around" then she is due for someone being as tolerant of her faults as she is of theirs.

posted July 18, 2013 10:14 PM            

We had grand plans together and I thought I found my soul mate but when push comes to shove he could just not handle the reality. He left me high and dry.. just like that.. Nothing was even over... he just ran away.. We were together for 4 years too.

Ironically his romantic ass conjured up most of these plans and ideas and I was a complete twat for believing them. I was just trying to make his dreams a reality..

Pisces are cute but I can't even deal with that stuff.

I need someone who knows exactly what they want in life!
The only pisces I know who isn't a complete mindf*ck has a Scorpio moon and taurus mars and asc.

posted July 18, 2013 10:58 PM            

As for myself, when I was single, I would never go near a Pisces guy with a ten foot pole. I couldn't read them and didn't want to be left guessing about everything.

Strangely enough, when I married my husband (Leo) it turned out that he was friends with three..no four...Pisces men whose suns are all conjunct my moon. And these are the Pisces men I've known best.

This works out great because I rarely see them (actually one has died) but when I do, it's all casual, very friendly, with no chance of a weird romantic thing developing.

posted July 19, 2013 12:21 AM            

With my pMoon in Pisces here comes the fish, straight out of central casting to match everything. This one has Neptune in the 1st, conjunct Asc.

I have Venus & Mars in Taurus, but no stamina for Venus in Aries. Exhausting!! I'm tossing this one back.

posted July 19, 2013 05:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Still if there's any truth to the saying "What goes around comes around" then she is due for someone being as tolerant of her faults as she is of theirs.

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posted July 19, 2013 06:36 AM            

Woo boy, where to start..

When I was younger I had a real problem with "falling in love." I did it almost every other week as the object of my affections either bored me or did something to completely disenchant me. There were those who completely caught me off guard by capturing my undivided attention and in doing so turned on my Venus' drive to get what I want There's a problem with this that I've still noticed it to this day: No man likes to be conquered, and while that's not my conscious intent I almost can't help it. I think it's a little off-putting for men of a softer make. For those who fire back and make it interesting haha those are the fun ones

Even then though if they don't match me intellectually/morally, things go south and not always quickly. I do the same as your friend and forgive and try to help with problems that arise instead of just walking away, because I do love with all of my heart when I am truly in love It's usually in these relationships where it ends with "I'm not good enough for you" or "You deserve somebody who can treat you better." I've never tried to project myself as "better" or "higher" than my partners. I enjoy them being my competitive equals. I like this even in my friendships too. I feel like it encourages both of us to be the best we can be at any given moment

I actually had one boyfriend, when I was 16, up and leave town, call me from the road and tell me that being with me made him realize that he needed to find himself because he wasn't a good enough person to be with me. We're still friends now and I know he's still interested, but I'm just not. I still feel the difference that was between us that made him need to find himself in the first place. Funny thing is that I'm pretty sure I could have helped him if he had stayed.

Does your friend want to be married? Truly? Sometimes we can push away from exactly what we're projecting that we want because it's not truly our heart's desire, but rather what people expect us to want.

Good thoughts and wishes going her way

posted July 19, 2013 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Pisces is not the most mature sign but it is def out there for the most part.. people cant help understand them..

neptune sq venus is horrible too. i dont think pisces is more feminine than other signs.. just more vulnerable and confused.. most of t he women are annoying under this sign. cannot stand up for themselves like the men really

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You're right, a natal Venus/Neptune square can be horrid.

Vulnerable and confused? It happens to the best of us at times, but you'd be surprised at what Pisces are sure about. And it's that very ability to be sure of our own selves/feelings that leads to said vulnerability. And please be aware that Pisces is almost always certain of what they're feeling, even if they don't choose to tell you (12H ruler), because it's the most natural of the senses to a fishy

Think about it: If you went around feeling everything, you might be a bit vulnerable, too.

posted July 19, 2013 08:07 AM            

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Right! My best friend, believe it or not, remains friends with most (all?) of her ex boyfriends. They tell her that they didn't realize until it was too late, until they married someone else, that they were mainly dealing with their own problems and projecting onto her when they were together.

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I deduce that the guys first prefered to be led by a 'hammer' or to be somehow strictly limited by their partner in view of a clearly defined and so assumed most desirable future. But when we get older, more vulnerable, undergo the hard lessons of being hit by our once so worshipped whip while not a penny room to become more true to our developed nature .. yes I can see why she becomes a beauty afterwards.

What we once considered as 'weakness' gets a completely other character with the years.

posted July 19, 2013 08:22 AM            

I always just figured they were fairly typical cop outs.

Some (probably not very objective) observations:
* We tend to idealize partners.
* We're very forgiving - often to a fault.
* We can tend to be a bit passive/accepting.
* No matter how much we love you, we still reserve a part of ourselves for our own little worlds. We need to maintain a strong connection to our private places (our "mind palaces" to steal a term, though they may be more akin to "soul palaces") or we become neurotic and needy. [Edited to add: When we spend too much of our time there, we become impossibly passive - what's the real world matter, really? - and completely unreliable.]
The partners of some Pisces resent this intensely private place, so we'll visit less frequently in order to please them.
This is always a bad thing.

As you know, I'm a (very) happily married Pisces Sun, though it has only been four years.
I have also been a miserably married Pisces Sun (my first marriage - 5 mostly awful years from wedding to divorce).

In my somewhat inexpert opinion, the trick is finding someone who appreciates our skills (my husband also says that I'm more intelligent than him, but I think he likes it ), will rise to our ideals (my husband is my hero, and his primarily "masculine" placements like it that way), is as forgiving as us as we are of them (it helps to have a husband who declares, "Love is a verb! Marriage is a process!"), will both take us on their adventures and ride along for ours (even if they're primarily intellectual or spiritual, as my husband's and mine usually are - though our physical travels are awesome when we can make them happen), and will not mock or belittle our need for escape to our realms - we'll tell you about what we saw and thought when we get back, we promise, especially if you give us time to process our experiences (I think my husband's 8th House Moon conj Neptune helps with this - he shares my need).

So, it's possible for us.
Just perhaps a bit more difficult than for some more stoic and resolved types.

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My placements, if that will help this post make more sense:

5th House Pisces Sun
3rd House Aqua Moon
Scorp Asc, 1st House Uranus
Taurean Venus in the 7th conj (gasp) Chiron
Leo Mars conj NN in the 10th

posted July 19, 2013 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
You're right, a natal Venus/Neptune square can be horrid.

Vulnerable and confused? It happens to the best of us at times, but you'd be surprised at what Pisces are sure about. And it's that very ability to be sure of our own selves/feelings that leads to said vulnerability. And please be aware that Pisces is almost always certain of what they're feeling, even if they don't choose to tell you (12H ruler), because it's the most natural of the senses to a fishy

Think about it: If you went around [b]feeling everything, you might be a bit vulnerable, too.

It's all about ideals and Pisces thinks/reacts usually with emotions and then brains. Which is almost always linked as a more feminine trait. More than any other sign, Pisces' motto is and forever will be "I feel, therefore I am." No matter how much I don't want it to be..le sigh[/B]

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