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Topic: Everlasting love - Charles and Camilla
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Orange
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posted July 26, 2013 12:03 PM
  
If she was a hot bimbo, one would (somewhat) understand why he dropped pretty Diana so quickly.
but, no..Camilla's far from a looker. Pleasant and not bad to the eyes, yes. But nothing on the surface to warrant such everlasting passion between these two.30 years of longing and finally the dream of being together came through.
They look very good and comfortable together. I like them a lot as a couple. What gives ? What in their combined charts may suggest the difficulties and the delay?
What aspects show the perfect harmony? The devotion?
Note the 12th house activities
Note the unaspected Moon, Saturn and Uranus ( his 7th house ruler).
No activities in the 7th or the 8th and barely any in the 5th.
No significant Nodal connections except for a tight square of his Nodes to her ASC/DSC.
No Pluto.
No any Saturn aspects from his side and just one Saturn aspect from her side and it's a square to his Mercury. A wide conjunction to each ASC. SYNASTRY
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Faith
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posted July 26, 2013 12:13 PM
Never underestimate the power of sun trine sun.  And they have moon sextile moon by sign. Her moon trine his sun. Rat and Pig are supposedly "soul mates" according to Suzanne White. edit~ Agree with posters below about ASC conjunction which I wasn't paying attention to, and Charles' Venus-Neptune on Camilla's IC..still reading replies  IP: Logged |
Hera
Knowflake Posts: 8636
From: Olympus
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posted July 26, 2013 12:20 PM
The more I look at charts, the less sense they make..
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Orange
Knowflake Posts: 7835
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posted July 26, 2013 12:21 PM
I think that his Venus/Neptune conjunction ( his signature) in a tight square to her Moon/Venus conjunction ( her signature) created all that fairy tale romanceChiron/Nodes DW - they understand each other's pain oh wait, her JUpiter on his Sun..I overlooked that, Faith. Of course he likes it! IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted July 26, 2013 12:25 PM
That 12th house stellium, whoa.
It gives a soulmate feeling sometimes, and coupled with the whole Venus / Neptune on the IC and square Moon / Venus, that's probably the culprit.Saturn & Pluto near the ASC, ASC conjunct ASC and their chart rulers trine. IP: Logged |
LiesLilithsaidtouranus
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From: La,la land
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posted July 26, 2013 12:25 PM
They comfort each other, from what I see. Her Stellium in his 12th house? Hmm, that's all he thinks about. She is the one for him and she loves him all the same.I am really glad they are together. He seems very much a home body, and she takes comfort in that. IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted July 26, 2013 12:26 PM
Wow, look at all those planets in his 12th house - so accurate. Could it be the secret/hot sexual part of things? lol. I'm not sure about the "delay" though. The angles in the synastry chart are perfectly lined up, so that to me is very important. Sun-Jupiter in 4th
His Venus-Neptune in her 4th for some reason the 4th house to me is not only about security and the home, it's also about the physical body. I think he finds her as his ideal when it comes to that and feeling comfortable and at home with her. Venus conjunct Neptune feels amazing by the way, but he has this as a natal, but entering her 4th house possibly means he really loves the feeling of security he gets from her. His Mars in her 5th conjunct Juno..need I say more? Romantic/passionate sex. Edited to add: Both their NN conjunct their Chirons and yes, what Orange said about Venus-Neptune squaring her Moon-Venus. Venus-Neptune is amazing by the way. I loved having that in a chart with the men I actually fell in love with. In composite we had that aspect and that is the only time I truly fell "in love" (the dreamy butterflies kind) with someone. I love that aspect.. IP: Logged |
EmpressMendez
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posted July 26, 2013 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Orange:
I think that his Venus/Neptune conjunction ( his signature) in a tight square to her Moon/Venus conjunction ( her signature) created all that fairy tale romanceChiron/Nodes DW - they understand each other's pain oh wait, her JUpiter on his Sun..I overlooked that, Faith. Of course he likes it!
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posted July 26, 2013 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Hera:
The more I look at charts, the less sense they make..
That's certainly the case when there are all these overriding theories about synastry and soulmates and how you have to look at certain markers that hold for every case of a long-term successful relationship, because it just isn't that simple. IP: Logged |
Hera
Knowflake Posts: 8636
From: Olympus
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posted July 26, 2013 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by page one:
That's certainly the case when there are all these overriding theories about synastry and soulmates and how you have to look at certain markers that hold for every case of a long-term successful relationship, because it just isn't that simple.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted July 26, 2013 12:31 PM
Orange,Camilla and Charles knew each other before Diana. Camilla was attractive when younger. Maybe this was his true love, his family just pressured him to marry Diana? Camilla wasn't good enough for public acknowledgement or to bear any offspring.
Charles would have liked to marry Camilla from the get-go but wasn't allowed. This is part of the the twelfth house dynamic in synastry.
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EmpressMendez
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posted July 26, 2013 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Orange,Camilla and Charles knew each other before Diana. Camilla was attractive when younger. Maybe this was his true love, his family just pressured him to marry Diana? Camilla wasn't good enough for public acknowledgement or to bear any offspring.
Charles would have liked to marry Camilla from the get-go but wasn't allowed. This is part of the the twelfth house dynamic in synastry.
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Orange
Knowflake Posts: 7835
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 26, 2013 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by page one:
That's certainly the case when there are all these overriding theories about synastry and soulmates and how you have to look at certain markers that hold for every case of a long-term successful relationship, because it just isn't that simple.
Agreed
This is one of the reasons I decided to post the charts. None or very little of the notorious soulmate-ish aspects could be seen here, as I mentioned in my first post. in fact it only proves the Magi astrology theory - more linkages ( soft aspects ) and less clashes ( hard aspects) especially not Saturn or Pluto hard aspect as they all are considered detrimental to a relationship. IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 7835
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 26, 2013 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Orange,Camilla and Charles knew each other before Diana. Camilla was attractive when younger. Maybe this was his true love, his family just pressured him to marry Diana? Camilla wasn't good enough for public acknowledgement or to bear any offspring.
Charles would have liked to marry Camilla from the get-go but wasn't allowed. This is part of the the twelfth house dynamic in synastry.
yes, I am aware of that. I am just spellbound at the thought that these two never gave up on each other, not just one of them - they both held on, for 3 decades. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted July 26, 2013 12:51 PM
Married to people they didn't really love, too. Lucky for the other people, eh? Maybe Diana wanted to love Charles, just felt like he could never completely love her.Charles never seemed to pressure his two to get married and William pretty much married who he wanted. IP: Logged |
luisbunuel
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posted July 26, 2013 12:52 PM
Hey, Orange!I read an article in Horoscope magazine about the synastry between the two of them. I'll try and dig out the magazine this weekend. IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 7835
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 26, 2013 12:53 PM
I wonder why the 12th house is SO important to him. Is it because he always is in the public eyes and feels most comfortable hidden away in his 12th, along with Camilla.
Or is it because the 12th house is a Neptunian house and he has a natal Venus/Neptune conjunction, earning for anything with a Neptunian touch.IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 7835
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 26, 2013 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by luisbunuel:
Hey, Orange!I read an article in Horoscope magazine about the synastry between the two of them. I'll try and dig out the magazine this weekend.
Hurry up, hunny. I am dying to read that IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 9169
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 26, 2013 12:55 PM
Twelfth house gets better with the passage of time, it's the house of retirement. These two ending up together goes right along with the twelfth house emphasis. I have several of my mom's planets in my twelfth, which is why I distrust twelfth house synastry in particular. We get along much better now than we did. It's the "passage of time" theme. Sooo, if you know someone with their planets in your twelfth, you might find not much happens at first, later you become close, something like this. And getting into the metaphysical realm...twelfth house can also mean non corporeal beings who try communication. I wouldn't be surprised if Camilla channels people from the past. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted July 26, 2013 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Orange:
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No significant Nodal connections except for a tight square of his Nodes to her ASC/DSC.
This one`s an absolute biggie though. Add to that what you already mentioned - fairy tale romance, yes. As for 5th, 7th, 8th - it is not part of their inner script, so they don´t actually need this. They both have 7th and 8th house ruler in 11th house; 5th house ruler in 1st house. They both have a Venus-Neptune-aspect natally; repeated through their synastry, tied to the deepest point of the chart and their souls, the IC - but it already has been entioned. I am glad you posted this, as it shows how a stellium in 12th house does not necessarily spell doom forever. Granted they had to wait a long time. I do believe there are some general soulmate marker, but they always have to come together with the individual markers in each chart. IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 7835
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 26, 2013 01:11 PM
I also did the synastry with the major asteroids but no asteroid/ planet or angles conjunctions so i excluded them from the posted charts. I only left Juno, because there was a Mars/Juno conjunction.Also, there is a Yod in their Composite and as i posted in another thread on Yods, it's been found that a Yod in the composite makes the two people wanting to be together at any cost. The apoex of the Yid is on the Composite MC. Interesting! IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted July 26, 2013 01:16 PM
Camilla is evil. She deviously broke up a family and caused disaster. Chuckie is a putz. He constantly berated Diana (Princess of Whales). Diana was a beautiful woman and a terrific mother. Even if you don't love a woman, you don't patronize the mother of your sons. Shows wealth and heritage doesn't buy a man decorum or class. Both Cammy and Chuckie deserve each other. IP: Logged |
Leocassandra
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From: Poland
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted July 26, 2013 01:22 PM
Her Pluto on his Sun/Moon mp His Venus on her Sun/Moon mp, Her Sun on his Moon/Venus(ideal woman) mp. Sun trine Sun- understanding, ASC conjunct ASc( similar outlook in life) IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 21731
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 26, 2013 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Camilla is evil. She deviously broke up a family and caused disaster. Chuckie is a putz. He constantly berated Diana (Princess of Whales). Diana was a beautiful woman and a terrific mother. Even if you don't love a woman, you don't patronize the mother of your sons. Shows wealth and heritage doesn't buy a man decorum or class. Both Cammy and Chuckie deserve each other.
Sad thing is, Diana went into the marriage with her eyes open. She had overheard Charles telling Camilla on the phone that nothing would change between them after he married Diana. Diana wanted to cancel the wedding but yielded to pressure from her family to go through with it. She was young and naive. Maybe she thought she could get Charles to love her...well, bad guess. Still, she is not totally without fault, she could have cancelled the wedding. I think most women, even in her admittedly difficult position, would cancel if they overheard their fiancee pledging eternal love to another woman...no matter how bad the fall-out would be. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted July 26, 2013 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Orange:
I wonder why the 12th house is SO important to him. Is it because he always is in the public eyes and feels most comfortable hidden away in his 12th, along with Camilla.
Or is it because the 12th house is a Neptunian house and he has a natal Venus/Neptune conjunction, earning for anything with a Neptunian touch.
maybe the 12th house was more important initially? when they were being covert about the affair from both of their spouses? and now it has less of an effect, excepting perhaps that she's always part of his consciousness. they obviously have a great love for one another and he wanted Camilla all along but couldn't marry her. it does speak to the absence of traditional factors drawing people together, but shows how important overlays are, even to the 12th as some have mentioned. plus, his stellium in the 4th falls into her 4th, isn't that more important than the 5th/7th anyway, because it signifies home and family? they'd see each other in that way IP: Logged |
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