posted September 22, 2017 11:40 PM            

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No one in this thread explained anything about how they see Aries rising in her. I'd be curious to hear about it.

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Synastry!

Everyone has their own method for deriving an Ascendant sign, I use the synastry method.

1. The conjunction aspect is the only aspect where two planets are physically together.

2. The Sun & the Moon are cosmic lovers, every month they come together to renew their bond at the New Moon. Whenever people unite they mimic the New Moon alignment in their synastry - Sun conjunct Moon

3. The Ascendant, as a solar symbol, plays the role of a surrogate Sun in this example.

4. A cosmic union is the conjunction between Sun & Moon. A romantic union is a conjunction between Sun & Moon. Specifically, nAsc/nSun conjunction pMoon.

posted September 22, 2017 11:55 PM            

Now that I've established it's the New Moon that brings people together, if you know someone's Sun sign, by process of elimination figuring out their Ascendant is relatively easy.

The purpose of this message is to support my claim that Kate Middleton is an Aries Ascendant. In this example I will start with William & Kate. Then I will use Harry & Meghan, Charles and Diana, Charles & Camilla, the Queen & Phillip, then wrap it up with William and Kate.

William & Kate.

William and Kate both have nMoon Cancer, so by progression their pMoon will always be in the same sign, with Kate's being a few degrees ahead. When the decision was taken to get married both had pMoon in Cancer. While pMoon conjunct pMoon is a fabulous aspect it isn't dynamic enough (it's yin/yin) to spark off a romance or life long attachment, you will need more (yin/yang). What they had at this point in time was pMoon (her) conjunct nSun (him) - the New Moon aspect.

Harry & Meghan

Harry and Meghan began dating in July of 2016. Harry is Virgo-Taurus, Capricorn Asc. Megan is Leo-Libra, Asc unknown. When they started dating Harry's pMoon was in Cancer, Megan's sun is Leo & Asc unknown so that attachment is unknown. Megan's pMoon at the time was Capricorn, here it was conjuct Harry's nAsc - so, pMoon conj nAsc. New Moon aspect.

Charles & Diana

Charles & Diana began dating in late 1980, early 1981. Charles is Scorpio-Taurus, Leo Asc. Diana was Cancer-Aquarius, Sagittarius Asc. At the start of their courtship Diana had pMoon in Libra. Charles for his part had pMoon in Cancer, here it was conjunct Diana's nSun - so, pMoon conjunct nSun. New Moon aspect.

Charles & Camilla

Charles & Camilla had known each other for a long long time, eventually getting married in 2005. Charles is Scorpio-Taurus, Leo Asc. Camilla is Cancer-Cancer, Leo Asc. At their wedding Charles pMoon was in Taurus, so no attachment there. Camilla's pMoon at the time was in Leo, here it was conjunct Charles's nAsc - so, pMoon conjunct nAsc. New Moon aspect.

the Queen & Phillip

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After another meeting at the Royal Naval College in Dartmouth in July 1939, Elizabeth – though only 13 years old – said she fell in love with Philip and they began to exchange letters. She was 21 when their engagement was officially announced on 9 July 1947.

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The Queen is Taurus-Leo, Capricorn Asc. Phillip is Gemini-Leo, Asc unknown. At the time they first started exchanging letters the Queen's pMoon was in Aquarius, Phillip's pMoon was in Aries just a few degrees from conjuncting the Queen's nSun in 0° Taurus.

At their wedding we see the Queen's pMoon was in Gemini, here it was conjunct Phillip's nSun, so pMoon conjunct nSun. New Moon aspect.

William & Kate

Now that we know William and Kate had pMoon conj nSun at the time of their wedding, and this aspect features prominently at the start of both marriages and romances, let's see what the alignment were when this relationship began.

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In 2001, Middleton met Prince William while they were both students in residence at St Salvator's Hall at the University of St Andrews. The couple began dating in 2003, although their relationship remained unconfirmed.

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So, they first met in 2001, with both pMoons in Taurus. Two years later they began dating as pMoons moved into Aries. As said before, pMoon conj pMoon is a fabulous aspect, but isn't strong enough to bring about a relationship. It has also been established that pMoon conjunct nAsc/nSun is the dynamic aspect that unites a couple.

At the start of their relationship both had pMoon in Aries. William is a Cancer w/ Sagittarius Asc, Kate's pMoon in Aries wasn't in conjunction to either his nSun or his nAsc - no attachment there. OTOH, Kate is a Capricorn w/ Asc unknown. William's pMoon in Aries, by deduction, must've been conjunct her nAsc. Making her an Aries Rising.

This is my argument why I believe Kate Middleton is an Aries ascendant.

posted September 25, 2017 08:49 PM            

I have now been able to confirm the Leo rising chart. A quick look at the progressed aspectarian of the 7 PM chart shows it -- an internal chart rectifying metric of her progressed Uranus (ruler of 7th) in semi-square natal Sun (ruler of 1st), just past culmination.

The reason this is an internal chart rectifying (validating) metric is that the course of her breakup/reconciliation, engagement, marriage to Prince William and joining the royal family involved the timing of this progressed aspect from around 0°05' from exact (applying) to 02' separating.

I'll be publishing a blog article soon with illustrations that will take a permanent place among my rectification examples. I'm not into royalty or celebrity chasing at all, but this chart is actually really interesting.

posted September 25, 2017 09:04 PM            

I was actually hoping that you knew something about Kate Middleton that I did not.

What you've outlined in your first four points is poetic, but not a reliable basis for determining a person's correct Asc. The Asc is not a solar symbol, but a martial one. I won't counter what you've written point-by-point, because I can see you put a lot of thought and time into your response to my question.

I was able to quickly verify the Leo risigng chart by progressing the chart to her marriage date.

Natalie Delahaye is a competent professional who would have made sure she got the correct hour of birth from the friend of the couple when they purchased the relationship chart reading as a gift to Kate and William.

posted September 25, 2017 11:29 PM            

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Nine, sorry but synastry is a unreliable way to select individual's rising sign.

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We'll have to disagree then. There is such a thing in astrology called Natural Pairs. A natural pair is formed along the yin-yang dynamic. Sun & Moon are such a pair. My research has revealed that the Ascendant act as the Sun to give an Asc-Moon pairing as well. No other planet or point acts this way with the moon.

My research has also shown that in any grouping these three points make up the glue which holds the union together.

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That should be based primarily on what you observe of that person, and what you can learn from their biography. Also when there is a birth time given from those close enough to know, the indicated rising sign should the first one considered.

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Sometimes the eye can deceive. And sometimes people lie. Natural law never lies, if you understand how it works. Much how to tell if something is magnetic you place a magnet next to it. Much the same way only a nSun or nAsc can attract a pMoon for romance.

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I was actually hoping that you knew something about Kate Middleton that I did not.

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You learned how progressed synastry works. Another device to add to your arsenal.

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What you've outlined in your first four points is poetic, but not a reliable basis for determining a person's correct Asc.

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Curious. You are on the record rejecting a method of progression because, as you say, it has no basis in natural phenomenon. Yet here you are rejection a synatric approach based off natural phenomenon, the New Moon, for something completely abstract & synthetic.

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The Asc is not a solar symbol, but a martial one.

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Again, disagree. 1st house is Martian. Ascendant is the individual who was born at a certain hour. Rising sign is how that individual will express his personal energy and interact with his environment. In my examples which you reject, the Ascendant along with the Sun attracts the moon and gives life to a relationship. No other planet when paired with the moon can accomplish that. Further, astrologers often advise to read for both Ascendant and Sun sign when looking at horoscopes. No one ever recommend reading for our Mars sign.

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I won't counter what you've written point-by-point, because I can see you put a lot of thought and time into your response to my question.

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posted September 26, 2017 08:47 AM            

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Nine, sorry but synastry is a unreliable way to select individual's rising sign.

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posted October 23, 2017 07:25 PM            

Progressions for her engagement to William, 20 October 2010:

Marriage:

The full article contains two portions. The first part is an into + a detail of hidden declinations aspects in her chart. The second part is more advanced, giving the details of the rectification based on planetary metrics.
http://wp.me/p1UxSX-ko9

posted October 24, 2017 08:25 AM            

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posted October 24, 2017 10:56 AM            

It takes two people to make a marriage. Looking at one person is just confirmation bias.

pSun quincunx nMoon is a marriage alignment?

Is this also true from William's side? Charles and Diana? The Queen and Phillip?

posted October 24, 2017 03:57 PM            

Unless you read the article I wrote and understand the significance of planetary metrics and internal chart rectifying metrics, you have no idea what I have asserted or on what basis.

Nine, you have asserted that progressed Moon/Sun/Asc aspects are necessary to create 'unity' between two people, and that it must be a major aspect like a conjunction; a pretty and poetic thought, but entirely unfounded in actual reality. You could only pretend to maintain this notion by stretching orbs of progressed aspects out to ridiculous lengths that would not allow application in rectification efforts; or further stretching things by asserting that the radix must be forcibly changed.

It is not difficult at all to find examples that don't fit your synastry notion. Here is my chart with progressions for the date of my first meeting of Heather (wife) in person:

You'd have to assert that this wide 7° arc between Moon and Sun is a functional one in progression, which it is not; or that I should change my chart by more than half a day back (to around 3 am). Wrong. I am unquestionably a Virgo riser to the max.

Here is my chart with progressions for our engagement. No Sun-Moon aspect anywhere:

Here is my chart with progressions for my wedding day:

Moon being near 2° past sextile to Asc if used in rectification attempt would indicate wrong Asc degree, and is misaligned with the event by nearly two months of chronological time.

My wife's chart with progressions for the same events in sequence -- first meeting:

However, here we have her prog Moon culminating in contra-parallel aspect with her natal Venus as seen in the data sheet:

This aspect has even greater significance, because Venus is the ruler of her DC.

Heather's chart with progressions for our engagement:

Heather's chart with progressions for our marriage:
[img]https://kannonmcafee.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/heather-prog-marriage.gif[/img]
However, this time prog Venus plays a perfect role in rectification, being in exact parallel to her natal DC.

Yes, astrology can show its scientific precision, and rectification work requires it.

posted November 03, 2017 08:16 PM            

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Nine, you have asserted that progressed Moon/Sun/Asc aspects are necessary to create 'unity' between two people, and that it must be a major aspect like a conjunction; a pretty and poetic thought, but entirely unfounded in actual reality. You could only pretend to maintain this notion by stretching orbs of progressed aspects out to ridiculous lengths that would not allow application in rectification efforts; or further stretching things by asserting that the radix must be forcibly changed.

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Irony of ironies.

posted November 03, 2017 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Where did my response go?

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I have no idea. I'm wondering where my last response from several days ago went.

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Originally posted by Nine:
Are we done deleting messages here?

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I haven't deleted anything. Maybe Randall?

Don't know what's happening, but I first noticed it started to get wonky in this thread when I tried to post all those chart images in one response, then cancelled and posted them each in individual posts. Then days later I came back to find only the first longer post there with all the images in it, and none of the individual posts with single images were there.

I assumed Randall or another moderator edited that. Otherwise, I have no idea.

posted November 03, 2017 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Irony or ironies.

The SynastryMethod™ was at play when your relationship started, Kannon. Your pMoon in Gemini conjunct your wife's nSun.

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You've just made my point. My progressed Sun was at 20° Gemini when I first met Heather. Her natal Sun is at 15° Gemini. While that may show some resonance (which results from that present in our natal charts), it is not a rectification factor, which must refer back to the radix (origin) point of the natal chart from which it originated.

5° of separation represents 5 months of progression time and about 5 signs over the radix Asc. So it would point to a radix Asc for me in Aries using your reasoning.

For a rectification method to be reliable and actually useful it must demonstrate far greater precision with commitments to an orb range that is not left elastic for such highly subjective application.

Again, there are many ways that progressed aspects can demonstrate or point to an accurate radix Asc, just as was done above with the mid-Leo rising chart for Kate/Duchess Catherine. You yourself referred to the importance of the Asc and have even used the prog Moon to point to it, but refuse to accept its demonstration in that case.

You also have still not given any description at all for Aries rising traits in Kate Middleton. While many of us observed 'fire' in her, there are 3 fire signs, and 3 fire planets. Fire can come from numerous sources. I had an impression -- only a distant impression of her -- as a Leo type, and the birth time she gave her friend for the British astrologer confirmed that. The fact is none of us know her. Therefore none of our astrological judgments are suitable replacements for what comes from her or family and is easily demonstrated thereafter in the astrology.

Even if you don't accept prog Moon at 15° Leo on marriage day as indicating her Asc degree, prog Uranus (ruler of natal DC) in near exact semi-square to natal Sun (ruler of Asc) indicates the natal is at least pretty close to accurate (mid-Leo).

Progressions are a product of the native's radix chart. They hold the internal keys to verifying the accuracy of that person's radix. The natal charts of other persons close to them can further verify the rectification result (or show it is lacking), but do not determine them.

Nine, I don't expect you to be persuaded, because you've already trademarked your approach for commercial credibility. Best to do the hard study and verifications first and learn that exceptions to hardline rules disprove them.

posted November 03, 2017 09:44 PM            

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Nine, I don't expect you to be persuaded, because you've already trademarked your approach for commercial credibility. Best to do the hard study and verifications first and learn that exceptions to hardline rules disprove them.

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LMAO.

posted November 03, 2017 09:53 PM            

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You've just made my point.

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No.

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My progressed Sun was at 20° Gemini when I first met Heather. Her natal Sun is at 15° Gemini. [/quote

It was your pMoon conjunct Heather's nSun.

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While that may show some resonance (which results from that present in our natal charts), it is not a rectification factor...

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Now you know how attraction works (Sun/Asc conjunct Moon), consider yourself enlightened.

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You also have still not given any description at all for Aries rising traits in Kate Middleton.

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posted November 04, 2017 03:40 PM            

Maybe I’m doing it wrong but when I use your method it doesn’t work. I know the Ascendant of my wife and myself (it makes sense to confirm using our data), when I use the date of when we first met (and marriage date) neither pMoon make conjunctions to our nSun.

We first met: 22 Sep 2007
Married: 22 march 2013
Me: 17 Feb 1984
Her: 02 Apr 1979