posted July 30, 2013 12:01 AM            

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...if someone’s Uranus falls in my third house...[they] [will] convince my brother to get a sex change.

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posted July 30, 2013 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I question some of it but NOT the twelfth house stuff. I know how quickly that can go bad. Must tread super carefully!

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posted July 30, 2013 12:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
This is exactly why I asked this question.My Sun,Moon,Mercury,and Venus all fell into my exs' 12th(while it didn't aspect his 12th house ruler Mercury),his Neptune was in close opposition to those planets.And he felt nothing.That's why I'm questioning synastry now.

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posted July 30, 2013 12:33 AM            

Neptune rules his MC,and it squares his Venus.

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Maybe you felt more NEPTUNE than you realize?

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Disillusioned? Yep.

Edit:I just see now he didn't care.Everything he said was a lie.

posted July 30, 2013 12:55 AM            

So yeah,synastry works.Neptune just p*ssed me off.

posted July 30, 2013 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
Did they aspect anything?

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That`s the question, isn`t it?

posted July 30, 2013 05:09 AM            

I am not saying I can do that. But that is what is really needed.
And yes, first of all you have to really really really grasp the meaning of the natal chart, and only then synastry can even make sense. And not in an oversimplifying way.

But even if you have all that right, all astrology will tell is how energies mesh. But what you are doing with that, is up to you.
You can be blindly in love with someone and still decide to walk away.

posted July 30, 2013 08:01 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I agree with you, Gemmy, synastry sometimes leaves me smh.

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posted July 30, 2013 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
One of the core issues in astrology is that only a few astrologers can really read a chart in a synthesized way.
It`s not enough to list isolated aspects; that is like adding just random words to each other and expecting it to become a brilliant speech in the end.

I am not saying I can do that. But that is what is really needed.
And yes, first of all you have to really really really grasp the meaning of the natal chart, and only then synastry can even make sense. And not in an oversimplifying way.

But even if you have all that right, all astrology will tell is how energies mesh. But what you are doing with that, is up to you.
You can be blindly in love with someone and still decide to walk away.

Of course that is just my opinion.

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But "listing aspects" is what you have. It's the concrete in all this, step one (or step two, in your view) of "how energies mesh". Talking generally about energies doesn't really get you anywhere, and it doesn't answer what I'm asking. Seeing that this thread has become a discussion on whether or not synastry even works, and I think it does, then you need to locate what the problem is, such as where it supposedly should be working (like house/angle placements), and doesn't, such as, "his sun was in my 7th and I didn't feel a thing!" Usually it turns out that there was some affliction elsewhere in the synastry or the natal that explains it. You see this all the time.

And isn't "free will" kind of a strange thing to mention when you're talking about astrology? It usually gets mentioned when the aspects are particularly bad, or when you end up breaking up in spite of fabulous synastry. But you don't get to choose who you like. If we were all atheists who believed we were masters of our destinies we wouldn't be here. We wouldn't be checking out synastries with the people we met or just crushed on, and we wouldn't spend time drawing up composites with them. We're all trying to peak at the answers. In which case all that matters is whether the peeking technique you're using works or not.

posted July 30, 2013 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
You still don't know if that person ever cared.That's what was bothering me.But astrology can't tell us everything and life goes on.

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posted July 30, 2013 12:03 PM            

"ut "listing aspects" is what you have"
Where did I do this in this thread?

". It's the concrete in all this, step one (or step two, in your view)"
Of course you need to have an overview of the measurements, but it is only the first or second step. You need to bring it all together into context still.

"Talking generally about energies doesn't really get you anywhere, and it doesn't answer what I'm asking."
What are you asking?

"I think it does"
Yes, I think so, too.

"And isn't "free will" kind of a strange thing to mention when you're talking about astrology?"
No, not really.

Well you donīt have free well in what you are triggering in each other. Let`s say someone else`s Sun, Moon, ASC, MC, Venus and Mars are all strongly aspecting my Moon.
I donīt have a choice in that, my Moon WILL be triggered/ activated. He will bring everything the Moon stands for (emotions, feelings of safety, belonging, emotional needs etc.) to the surface. And not only the Moon as an abstract symbol, but everything that is part of the configuration.

In my chart, it would not simply be the Moon, but "Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house, as ruler of 8th house, exactly quinkunx Saturn rx in Cancer in 8th house, ruling the 2nd house and possibly the Moondispositor Uranus on 1 Scorpio exactly on my 11th house cusp, too".

Whatever all that means, this would be triggered.
I would feel it.

Would I like it?
Maybe. Maybe not.

But where free will comes into play is not in the activation of these planets (which is really what I mean by meshing of energies; I am not talking about energies in a very spiritualized abstract sense, but I actually do not know any better word for it.), free will comes into play (at least to a part) in how you REACT and ACT.
How are you dealing with having this stuff brought to the surface?

Having said that though, one of my favourite sayings is: "Free will is fine. I am all for it... However, what determines what we want?"

If I get to the bottom of it, philosophically my stance really is there is no real free will, as people are conditioned by a lot of things. But that might get too philosophical. In a certain range though we actually do have free will or can make decisions.

As for aspects, they are not limited to one and only meaning (would be so much easier, if they were).
They have a range of expression, and it will make a difference how they are expressed.

For the record though, coming back to the orignial poster, I donīt believe he, her ex, didn`t care. Cause if he didn`t, why would he have gotten with her in the first place? There must have been something "worthwile" for him, at least for a time.

posted July 30, 2013 01:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
I think I know what you mean Ceri.Are you saying people are too busy looking at individual aspects, they miss the big picture?

About the ex.I think I just fed his ego.

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Yes that is what I mean. At least if they look ONLY at isolated aspects.
As you already pointed out, you have to start with the natals. And it is the natal that will decide how the synastry is going to click.

And of course it could be that you fed his Ego, and that he needed that at that time, which made him want to get into a relationship with you.
I am not completely sure what you mean with "care". but I find that the outer planets, as important they may be, usually have a bit of a different function, but not saying anything about that personal interaction, when two personalities come together and fuse (or diffuse).
I have found that for some kind of "caring about the other person as a person" a strong interconnection between the personal planets, especially luminaries, angles and nodal axis was necessary.

posted July 30, 2013 01:18 PM            

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"ut "listing aspects" is what you have"
Where did I do this in this thread?

". It's the concrete in all this, step one (or step two, in your view)"
Of course you need to have an overview of the measurements, but it is only the first or second step. You need to bring it all together into context still.

"Talking generally about energies doesn't really get you anywhere, and it doesn't answer what I'm asking."
What are you asking?

"I think it does"
Yes, I think so, too.

"And isn't "free will" kind of a strange thing to mention when you're talking about astrology?"
No, not really.

Well you donīt have free well in what you are triggering in each other. Let`s say someone else`s Sun, Moon, ASC, MC, Venus and Mars are all strongly aspecting my Moon.
I donīt have a choice in that, my Moon WILL be triggered/ activated. He will bring everything the Moon stands for (emotions, feelings of safety, belonging, emotional needs etc.) to the surface. And not only the Moon as an abstract symbol, but everything that is part of the configuration.

In my chart, it would not simply be the Moon, but "Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house, as ruler of 8th house, exactly quinkunx Saturn rx in Cancer in 8th house, ruling the 2nd house and possibly the Moondispositor Uranus on 1 Scorpio exactly on my 11th house cusp, too".

Whatever all that means, this would be triggered.
I would feel it.

Would I like it?
Maybe. Maybe not.

But where free will comes into play is not in the activation of these planets (which is really what I mean by meshing of energies; I am not talking about energies in a very spiritualized abstract sense, but I actually do not know any better word for it.), free will comes into play (at least to a part) in how you REACT and ACT.
How are you dealing with having this stuff brought to the surface?

Having said that though, one of my favourite sayings is: "Free will is fine. I am all for it... However, what determines what we want?"

If I get to the bottom of it, philosophically my stance really is there is no real free will, as people are conditioned by a lot of things. But that might get too philosophical. In a certain range though we actually do have free will or can make decisions.

As for aspects, they are not limited to one and only meaning (would be so much easier, if they were).
They have a range of expression, and it will make a difference how they are expressed.

For the record though, coming back to the orignial poster, I donīt believe he, her ex, didn`t care. Cause if he didn`t, why would he have gotten with her in the first place? There must have been something "worthwile" for him, at least for a time.

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I was referring to this:

"It`s not enough to list isolated aspects; that is like adding just random words to each other and expecting it to become a brilliant speech in the end."

"As for aspects, they are not limited to one and only meaning (would be so much easier, if they were).
They have a range of expression, and it will make a difference how they are expressed."

No, it's never that cut-and-dry, which is why people get frustrated. You'll see a theme, but how it plays out you can't predict.

"For the record though, coming back to the original poster, I donīt believe he, her ex, didn't care. Cause if he didn't, why would he have gotten with her in the first place? There must have been something "worthwhile" for him, at least for a time"

That what I was thinking. He was her ex, how could there be no feelings? But in the op's case it seems it manifested in one of the worst ways Neptune can, with deceit and fog. Maybe even he couldn't tell you what his feelings were.

posted July 30, 2013 01:30 PM            

""ut "listing aspects" is what you have"
Where did I do this in this thread?
I was referring to this:

"It`s not enough to list isolated aspects; "
I think I just misunderstood you there. I thought you were saying, I had been listing isolated aspects; but now I think maybe you were really saying, that isolated aspects is which we are looking at initially, when we start analyzing synastry.

"You'll see a theme, but how it plays out you can't predict."
Yes.

"Maybe even he couldn't tell you what his feelings were."
With Neptune that is very possible I think. Doesn`t mean there were no feelings, but he just maybe didn`t have an understanding of them.

In one of my synastries My Neptune is conjunct the poor guy`s Mercury and squares his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction in Virgo (all within about one degree of orb);
Most of the time I donīt really know what has gotten into me; but no matter how much I am fascinated by him and really like him, it is like there is something inside me that makes me being REALLY evasive, and I have been staging my disappearances (and reapparances) acts more than once. I donīt want to do that. It is not like me usually. But it sort of just happens around him, and I am not sure why I am like this. (well of course I am totally overwhelmed by him, but that is a topic for another day ).

What i want to say is I am probably living out my Neptune in the worst possible way, I donīt even want to "float away", but circumstances often have it so, that it might seem, as if I am evading, ignoring him or simply disappearing (not that he might care much ), but what strikes me odd is that I am usually not like that, at least not to this extreme (and I have natally Neptune conjunct ASC and NN and Mars. lol).
But something about him triggers this side of me.

I donīt want to derail the thread here, but just wanted to give an experience from a Neptunian perspective.

posted July 30, 2013 01:53 PM            

And Ceri,you described his behavior perfectly.