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posted July 29, 2013 03:13 PM            

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Just a quick question.If you don't want to,you don't have to go into detail.But have any of you ever met someone with planets in your 12th house,who did not affect you?Whether the feelings were love,hate,or both.

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posted July 29, 2013 05:33 PM            

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My Venus and Mars fall in his 12th house but conjunct his Asc(maybe that would alternate things a bit?I don't know)
Truth is,all I've only felt love,no hate and amazement because I get to search into their psyche and see who they really are and not what they present.It's more intense for the house person,though.They feel out of their waters.As if someone took their secrets.But that's how I've experience it

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posted July 29, 2013 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
have any of you ever met someone with planets in your 12th house,who did not affect you?

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Yes.

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posted July 29, 2013 05:58 PM            

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Yes, and I have also met people with planets in my 5th an 7th house, who did not affect me.

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posted July 29, 2013 06:35 PM            

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Well, my dad has his Venus in my 12th, but it's hard for me to say if I would feel affected more or less if I didn't have my Aqua Sun, Moon, and Mercury in the 12th conjuncting it. In other words, I don't know if I'd feel anything differently if I didn't have any activity in there.

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posted July 29, 2013 06:40 PM            

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I don't believe you can tell how people feel about each other from synastry/composite anymore.What's the point?

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posted July 29, 2013 06:46 PM            

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Affected. 12th house is Leo & Virgo. I also have Saturn (5th ruler), and NN in Virgo here. Always shaken & stirred, especially when Saturn is touched.

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posted July 29, 2013 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, and I have also met people with planets in my 5th an 7th house, who did not affect me.

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Did they aspect anything?

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posted July 29, 2013 07:24 PM            

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Here's a quote:

Simply putting one person’s planets into another person’s houses isn’t going to tell you much. The reason is that planets don’t carry equal weight.

For example, if someone’s Uranus falls in my third house, the method tells me that I could expect that person to shake up my immediate environment in some way, or to stimulate my thinking or communication style, or to convince my brother to get a sex change. But if the third house isn’t emphasized in my chart, and I have no planets there, or if the partner’s Uranus doesn’t make any important contacts with my personal planets, then that Uranus falling in the third will have very little meaning. It won’t have no meaning, but it will have very little actual impact on the relationship. (Of course, it will matter a bit more if that Uranus is dominant in the other person’s chart –conjunct the Ascendant, or square the Sun, for example).

This is the link for the full article:
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/01/synastry-q-a-planets-in-houses/

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posted July 29, 2013 07:28 PM            

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I don't believe you can tell how people feel about each other from synastry/composite anymore.What's the point?

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I don't think I'd agree with that.

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posted July 29, 2013 07:36 PM            

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Even with aspects.You have to take everything with a grain of salt.I just see no point.And it gives people false hope that someone cares,when they really don't.

You'd do better reading the natals.

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posted July 29, 2013 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
I don't believe you can tell how people feel about each other from synastry/composite anymore.What's the point?

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I think you can if there is basic attraction between both people. Personally, I only think synastry 'works' if two people are already attracted to one another - then you can get a read on it. Naturally we wont feel a darn thing if we don't even like the person or if the person we're pining for isn't attracted to us, no matter how great the chart may look. You're exactly right that the chart = false hope, which is why you should only start to look at synastry/composite once you have a partner/date

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posted July 29, 2013 10:22 PM            

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And only the aspects to/between angles/angle rulers count anyway, so much of the "false hope" is probably do to "bad astrology". Who cares if Venus aspects Mars if those planets don't have "their antenna up" so to speak? And if a particular area of life isn't important in my chart, I don't CARE if someone's Venus or whatever is in it.

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posted July 29, 2013 10:22 PM            

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And only the aspects to/between angles/angle rulers count anyway, so much of the "false hope" is probably do to "bad astrology". Who cares if Venus aspects Mars if those planets don't have "their antenna up" so to speak? And if a particular area of life isn't important in my chart, I don't CARE if someone's Venus or whatever is in it.

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posted July 29, 2013 10:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
I don't believe you can tell how people feel about each other from synastry/composite anymore.What's the point?

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I agree with you, Gemmy, synastry sometimes leaves me smh.

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posted July 29, 2013 10:35 PM            

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I didn't have any of my angles or chart rulers aspected when I fell for someone.

I'm sorry,it's just how I feel.I'm just gonna be a little wary of relationship charts from now on.

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posted July 29, 2013 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
I didn't have any of my angles or chart rulers aspected when I fell for someone.

I'm sorry,it's just how I feel.I'm just gonna be a little wary of relationship charts from now on.

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No need to apologize

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posted July 29, 2013 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
I didn't have any of my angles or chart rulers aspected when I fell for someone.

I'm sorry,it's just how I feel.I'm just gonna be a little wary of relationship charts from now on.

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Suit yourself. But just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, not chart rulers (only one of those-the planet that rules your ascendant), but angle rulers -- the rulers which include the rulers of your Ascendant, Descendant, IC or MC. (Also the rulers of your North and South nodes are significant.) Maybe that's what you meant, but when you referred to chart rulers (plural), it made me wonder if we were communicating the same idea here.

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posted July 29, 2013 10:52 PM            

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I feel like I have to apologize.Synastry's kind of a big deal.

Jkitty,yes I meant angle rulers.

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posted July 29, 2013 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
I feel like I have to apologize.Synastry's kind of a big deal.

Jkitty,yes I meant angle rulers.

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Well it's a big deal to some people. \

I question the traditional methods. For instance, take two people who have a lot of contacts between their personal planets. They should be together yet nothing happens. This is what makes me wonder...

It's an astrological grey area, Gemmy. I feel natal is much more telling. And accurate.

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posted July 29, 2013 11:05 PM            

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It's an astrological grey area, Gemmy. I feel natal is much more telling. And accurate.

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posted July 29, 2013 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmy:
I feel like I have to apologize.Synastry's kind of a big deal.

Jkitty,yes I meant angle rulers.

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Hey, no need to apologize! We all carry our own experiences into this. I've also found myself wondering why most people just don't impact me the way they "should" based on cookbooks and the general info/misinfo out on the web. This is what fueled my looking more deeply into the topic. But if I start with my own chart with its empty 7th and 8th houses and take into consideration that the rulers of my 7th/8th are squaring each other and that a couple of my angle rulers are squaring each other as well, it seems to explain a lot for me personally. Someone's planets in my 7th or 8th that should supposedly send me into raptures can make me yawn.

And back to the original question: My 12th house is unoccupied. I'm unlikely to care if someone's planet takes up residence there. Since the ruler of my 12th is Mercury in my 5th house, it's impossible for someone to aspect the ruler of my 12th and also reside there. If they could TIGHTLY aspect my Neptune (natural ruler of the 12th) from a position within my 12th house, that could also "trigger" my 12th house in the synastry, but once again, that is impossible. So I just can't see someone impacting my 12th house in any kind of meaningful way UNLESS their planet is between about 12-16 degrees Libra (conjunct my angle from the 12th) AND that planet is both important in their chart AND making tight contact (3 degree orb, Ptolemaic aspect) with an important planet in MY chart. If ALL THREE conditions aren't met, no impact. So I think I now understand why most of the stuff I read about synastry on the web just doesn't hold true for me. But hey "your actual mileage may vary".

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posted July 29, 2013 11:20 PM            

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I'm definitely NOT prepared to get in a tangle with my twelfth house occupiers so I try to get along with them best I can. I don't wish to rock their boats.

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posted July 29, 2013 11:37 PM            

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If they could TIGHTLY aspect my Neptune (natural ruler of the 12th) from a position within my 12th house, that could also "trigger" my 12th house in the synastry

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This is exactly why I asked this question.My Sun,Moon,Mercury,and Venus all fell into my exs' 12th(while it didn't aspect his 12th house ruler Mercury),his Neptune was in close opposition to those planets.And he felt nothing.That's why I'm questioning synastry now.

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posted July 29, 2013 11:44 PM            

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I question some of it but NOT the twelfth house stuff. I know how quickly that can go bad. Must tread super carefully!

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